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Some interesting numbers from Tuesday's exit polls:

https://mailchi.mp/cnn/the-point-me1jhla6ql?e=24d83137bc

From CNN

Of course, since large swaths of Florida are known as "God's waiting room," the age issue is a feature, not a bug for the GOP in the Sunshine State. Old folks replenish constantly here and they vote (Republican). Since they're likely from somewhere else within the past few years, they have little interest in their local communities and schools.

OTOH, the urban areas are much younger and as a result are much more interested in their neighborhoods, schools and affordable health care (the elderly already have Medicare.) These folks vote Democratic but whereas retirees turnout close to 100%, urban residents are likely to have turnouts <40%.

Meanwhile, suburban areas with fewer retirees are becoming more urban in their political outlook. That's why counties like Seminole and St. Lucie are slowly but surely becoming more blue.

 

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1 minute ago, spenser1058 said:

Some interesting numbers from Tuesday's exit polls:

https://mailchi.mp/cnn/the-point-me1jhla6ql?e=24d83137bc

From CNN

Of course, since large swaths of Florida are known as "God's waiting room," the age issue is a feature, not a bug for the GOP in the Sunshine State. Old folks replenish constantly here and they vote (Republican). Since they're likely from somewhere else within the past few years, they have little interest in their local communities and schools.

OTOH, the urban areas are much younger and as a result are much more interested in their neighborhoods, schools and affordable health care (the elderly already have Medicare.) These folks vote Democratic but whereas retirees turnout close to 100%, urban residents are likely to have turnouts <40%.

Meanwhile, suburban areas with fewer retirees are becoming more urban in their political outlook. That's why counties like Seminole and St. Lucie are slowly but surely becoming more blue.

 

BTW: what do you mean by “What we’re seeing” ? What are you doing that we need to keep an eye on you ?

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1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

Hmmm.

Extreme- a stance that is not considered "liberal"?

Nationalist- pro USA?

White- lighter complexion, whether WASP, Puerto Rican, Mexican, French, Greek, Israeli, Lebanese, Iraqi, Persian, Brazilian, German, Colombian, Spanish, Italian, Swiss, Turkish, Russian, Bi-Racial, etc?  I know people that fit every one of those categories and they look whiter than white. 

So who is your "white"?  Or are they only considered white if they are not "liberal"?

I think the word "white" when used in conjunction with "nationalist", generally refers to Caucasians of European decent, who tend to be xenophobic and look at non-Caucasian and practitioners of non-Christian religions as some sort of enemy invaders or interlopers who need to be feared, mistrusted and shoved off to the margins of society.

As far as extremism is concerned, there are extremists on both sides who take everything too far. I don't believe in calling all conservatives or Republicans racists or any of the various "phobes", just like all liberals aren't "snowflakes" and don't require "safe spaces".

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13 minutes ago, Dale said:

Dems tried to steal the election in 2000 and failed. Have they considered how embarrassing it’ll be if Gillum and Nelson have to concede a second time ?

The only extreme white nationalists of any consequence was the National Socialist Workers Party. 

Own them.

More stale right wing talking points.

Bush SUCCEEDED in stealing the 2000 election. 

And implying that Democrats are Nazis just because the word "socialist" was used in their title, just looks desperate and dishonest. How many Democrats vs Republicans wore swastika arm bands and torch marched through Charlottesville?

Own them.

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There's actually an easy, visual way to see the demographics each party prizes.

Go back and look at the 2016 national party conventions and look at the video as the cameras pan through the respective delegates. At the RNC, it looks like a 1950's sitcom while the DNC looks much more like 21st century America with broad representation from many groups.

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8 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

More stale right wing talking points.

Bush SUCCEEDED in stealing the 2000 election. 

And implying that Democrats are Nazis just because the word "socialist" was used in their title, just looks desperate and dishonest. How many Democrats vs Republicans wore swastika arm bands and torch marched through Charlottesville?

Own them.

 

I don’t know how many donned swastika armbands and marched through Charlottesville, considerably more than surrounded Tucker Carlson and chanted, “We know where you live and you’re not safe” ? 

Your peeps. 

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1 hour ago, Dale said:

Dems tried to steal the election in 2000 and failed. Have they considered how embarrassing it’ll be if Gillum and Nelson have to concede a second time ?

4 hours ago, prahaboheme said:

So I'm curious if I missed something, but did Gillum rescind his concession? Everything I've heard is he has not disputed anything and the statements have been fairly generic, he seems to be handling the loss like he should.

And Nelson never conceded a first time, but I don't think he cares very much about embarrassment, as this loss likely marks the end of his career.

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32 minutes ago, aent said:

So I'm curious if I missed something, but did Gillum rescind his concession? Everything I've heard is he has not disputed anything and the statements have been fairly generic, he seems to be handling the loss like he should.

And Nelson never conceded a first time, but I don't think he cares very much about embarrassment, as this loss likely marks the end of his career.

Nelson has yet to concede. Gillum is not rescinding his concession but he doesn't have to. Florida law is kicking in recounts automatically.

Given how many additional votes have been found for Gillum, the optics on this for everyone who's not a hard-core Republican are just fine.

Gillum conceded so fast because that put him in a better light for his next race (yep, political scientists have studied when to concede- who knew?) No one (I've never seen such a blatant screwup as what we've seen this time in Broward and I've been doing politics for 48 years now) saw anything like this coming. I know, we're talking South Florida here but this is an order of magnitude difference.

I have to admit it's rather comical to hear Rick Scott accuse anyone of fraud given his background with Medicare, ummmm, fraud and his financial interests in the Sun Pass screwup and the Brightline deal but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by such chutzpah.

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2 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

Nelson has yet to concede. Gillum is not rescinding his concession but he doesn't have to. Florida law is kicking in recounts automatically.

Given how many additional votes have been found for Gillum, the optics on this for everyone who's not a hard-core Republican are just fine.

Gillum conceded so fast because that put him in a better light for his next race (yep, political scientists have studied when to concede- who knew?) No one (and I've never seen such a blatant screwup as what we've seen this time in Broward and I've been doing politics for 48 years now) saw anything like this coming. I know, we're talking South Florida here but this is an order of magnitude difference here.

“additional votes have been found for Gillum”

How have they just been found ? Did it take two days to forge them ?

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3 hours ago, jrs2 said:

Hmmm.

Extreme- a stance that is not considered "liberal"?

Nationalist- pro USA?

White- lighter complexion, whether WASP, Puerto Rican, Mexican, French, Greek, Israeli, Lebanese, Iraqi, Persian, Brazilian, German, Colombian, Spanish, Italian, Swiss, Turkish, Russian, Bi-Racial, etc?  I know people that fit every one of those categories and they look whiter than white. 

So who is your "white"?  Or are they only considered white if they are not "liberal"?

 

 

You can define it however you choose or simply recognize the understanding of the term. Do whatever you decide.

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2 hours ago, Dale said:

Dems tried to steal the election in 2000 and failed. Have they considered how embarrassing it’ll be if Gillum and Nelson have to concede a second time ?

The only extreme white nationalists of any consequence was the National Socialist Workers Party. 

Own them.

 

Like the one that leads you, I’m starting to see that you actually believe in your false rhetoric. It wasn’t always such - oh well. 

 

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Just now, prahaboheme said:

Like the one that leads you, I’m starting to see that you actually believe in your false rhetoric. It wasn’t always such - oh well. 

 

Thanks for dropping in. How many mentees of former Grand Cyclops did you vote for in 2016 ?

Democrats raise identity politics to an art form an then feign outrage when white folks want a place at the table.

 

37 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

Nelson has yet to concede. Gillum is not rescinding his concession but he doesn't have to. Florida law is kicking in recounts automatically.

Given how many additional votes have been found for Gillum, the optics on this for everyone who's not a hard-core Republican are just fine.

Gillum conceded so fast because that put him in a better light for his next race (yep, political scientists have studied when to concede- who knew?) No one (I've never seen such a blatant screwup as what we've seen this time in Broward and I've been doing politics for 48 years now) saw anything like this coming. I know, we're talking South Florida here but this is an order of magnitude difference.

I have to admit it's rather comical to hear Rick Scott accuse anyone of fraud given his background with Medicare, ummmm, fraud and his financial interests in the Sun Pass screwup and the Brightline deal but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by such chutzpah.

I think we all really know why you were in hiding. After all your pre-election brass and bravado you were afraid to show your face.

Now that Democrats have an opportunity to steal the election, NOW you’ve gotten back that sriracha in the belly.

 

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39 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

Nelson has yet to concede. Gillum is not rescinding his concession but he doesn't have to. Florida law is kicking in recounts automatically.

Given how many additional votes have been found for Gillum, the optics on this for everyone who's not a hard-core Republican are just fine.

Gillum conceded so fast because that put him in a better light for his next race (yep, political scientists have studied when to concede- who knew?) No one (I've never seen such a blatant screwup as what we've seen this time in Broward and I've been doing politics for 48 years now) saw anything like this coming. I know, we're talking South Florida here but this is an order of magnitude difference.

I have to admit it's rather comical to hear Rick Scott accuse anyone of fraud given his background with Medicare, ummmm, fraud and his financial interests in the Sun Pass screwup and the Brightline deal but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by such chutzpah.

The nasty comments he made about Nelson are just beyond the pale.

I knew the guy was a craven, no-class lowlife, but even I wouldn't have expected him to sink that low.

I guess the sewer just isn't low enough for him.

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3 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

The nasty comments he made about Nelson are just beyond the pale.

I knew the guy was a craven, no-class lowlife, but even I wouldn't have expected him to sink that low.

I guess the sewer just isn't low enough for him.

I’m not surprised. He’s embolden by a Republican base that went even lower.

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Rick Scott is a scumbag. And I say that as a guy who reluctantly voted for DeSantis. As somebody said above, he should be in prison, not the Senate, but money talks. . . and corporatist scumbags tend to get elected, even if they are caught.  

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What we’re hearing (sorry, couldn’t resist): a school teacher found a box of uncounted ballots. 

Democrats hoping it’s a really big-ass box.

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16 minutes ago, Dale said:

What we’re hearing (sorry, couldn’t resist): a school teacher found a box of uncounted ballots. 

Democrats hoping it’s a really big-ass box.

Subtlety was never your strength.

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9 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

Nelson has yet to concede. Gillum is not rescinding his concession but he doesn't have to. Florida law is kicking in recounts automatically.

Given how many additional votes have been found for Gillum, the optics on this for everyone who's not a hard-core Republican are just fine.

Gillum conceded so fast because that put him in a better light for his next race (yep, political scientists have studied when to concede- who knew?) No one (I've never seen such a blatant screwup as what we've seen this time in Broward and I've been doing politics for 48 years now) saw anything like this coming. I know, we're talking South Florida here but this is an order of magnitude difference.

I have to admit it's rather comical to hear Rick Scott accuse anyone of fraud given his background with Medicare, ummmm, fraud and his financial interests in the Sun Pass screwup and the Brightline deal but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by such chutzpah.

All things being equal, you don't have to be a hard core Republican to be against an extreme leftist that's for open borders in Florida. 

You are correct about Rick Scott. 

8 hours ago, prahaboheme said:

Subtlety was never your strength.

...is there a pot addressing a kettle here by chance?

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8 hours ago, JFW657 said:

I knew the guy was a craven, no-class lowlife, but even I wouldn't have expected him to sink that low.

 

Was Rick Scott himself even directly implicated in the fraud that occurred? Yes, he was CEO (and founder of the company that became HCA), and that means he is ultimately responsible, but he wanted to fight the allegations he was directly involved in it,  It was HCA who said no way, likely because the potential extent of the fraud would come even more to light, and it would just be disastrous for the company to be drug through that for such a long period of time, the legal system takes a ton of time and money and resources regardless of the outcome. And I haven't heard about any other illegal activity he was involved in outside of that. Owners of big companies rely on others and sign an absolute crapload of documents without reading them, they're trusting their advisors and people around them, because there are just so many requirements that its not reasonable to expect anyone to know all the rules and regulations. And I'm pretty confident thats why Rick Scott started his governorship by trying to deregulate tons of things: making it slightly more reasonable for people who own companies to actually comply with more rules and regulations by removing unnecessary ones.

I don't discount the severity of what his company did: they stole from the government, and I think we should always require payback many multiple times whats stolen, and settlements should not even be permitted for less then the suspected amount stolen, which seems to happen so often. But just because he was the CEO while this happened, doesn't mean it was his plan and he was even aware of the plan , and hardly makes him worthy of all this petty name calling and other stuff everyone is posting here. But thats the problem: all the Republicans get this name calling, according to the democrats, they're all "racist neo-nazi scumbags who just want to destroy the country and hurt people". I firmly believe few in politics are really trying to hurt people, on either side. I disagree with nearly every policy Bernie Sanders says he wants, and think he's a huge hypocrite and his policies would be damaging for the country, but I have no doubt he believes he's helping a lot of people with these battles that he takes on, I just think he's doing the opposite of accomplishing his very own goal.

Thats the thing that bothers me the most actually: Democrats claim they're the party of minorities, they're the party of tolerance, acceptance, peace, etc, but the second you disagree with any of their ideas, there's no tolerance, acceptance, etc (as demonstrated by this very thread). And its not the same on the right: I disagree with them on many issues, lets take drugs for example, and I'm told my stance of legalizing all the drugs is wrong... in my eyes, the war on drugs just hurts people, makes the police look bad by enforcing laws on issues that aren't really hurting anybody (outside themselves and those that care about them, who should be better equipped to handle it then the police with guns), etc, But when I discuss it with them, while they attack my policy stance, and perhaps could call me ignorant for that stance, I'm generally not called names, the people aren't acting astonished somebody could believe such a thing, etc, its just really unusual for it to get worse then that. And its not that drugs is an issue they don't care about, the same was true when I disagreed with those who wanted to keep gay marriage banned.

But on the left, if I disagree with their approach to climate change (I don't disagree the climate is changing, including human caused,  I just disagree on severity and actions we should force upon people), I'm frequently immediately called names, told I'm destroying the earth for that stance, and it often quickly gets to "I don't know if I can be friends with you" and other such ridiculous claims, to the point where I no doubt have to keep my mouth shut to associate with them (even though they frequently start it with their comments on said topic, I don't typically bring up politics as a topic of discussion, unless I'm with those who I know enjoy my views, but tend to participate in the topic when its brought up around me)

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Community Service Announcement: there’s still time to vote against Rick Scott. But you have to drive to Broward County to do it.

 

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^^

You are wasting your breath and keystrokes, aent, trying to rationalize with leftists.  Why do you think I "deleted" my post above?

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Can we stop with this ridiculousness?  There were a record number of provisional ballots this year due to the increased awareness of their existence, which is THE major cause of the swing in the percentage. Not only that, but there an assumption that the results are not exactly to the number correct on day 1.  It is allowed normally because when the percentage difference is outside of the .5% margin of error it doesn’t necessitate a recount because the results would be the same.

There is no stealing of anything going on right now. The election never ended. The news just published their projections before all the ballots were counted as they normally do.

There are lawyers and auditors from both sides on the ground watching these recounts to stop any forging or illegal activities of any kind from happening.

This is our democracy at work. When the day 1 counts are within the pre-determined margin of error of .5% an machine recount is automatically initiated before any election is officially called. If the day 1 counts are within the pre-determined margin of error of .2% or reach .2% during the machine recount, a manual ballot-by-ballot recount is initiated.

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51 minutes ago, WAJAS98 said:

Can we stop with this ridiculousness?  There were a record number of provisional ballots this year due to the increased awareness of their existence, which is THE major cause of the swing in the percentage. Not only that, but there an assumption that the results are not exactly to the number correct on day 1.  It is allowed normally because when the percentage difference is outside of the .5% margin of error it doesn’t necessitate a recount because the results would be the same.

There is no stealing of anything going on right now. The election never ended. The news just published their projections before all the ballots were counted as they normally do.

There are lawyers and auditors from both sides on the ground watching these recounts to stop any forging or illegal activities of any kind from happening.

This is our democracy at work. When the day 1 counts are within the pre-determined margin of error of .5% an machine recount is automatically initiated before any election is officially called. If the day 1 counts are within the pre-determined margin of error of .2% or reach .2% during the machine recount, a manual ballot-by-ballot recount is initiated.

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I'm calling Rick Scott a scumbag not because he's a republican and I'm a democrat (I'm not a democrat) or he's right and I'm left (I'm slightly left of center but right on many individual issues), but instead because he has a vast history of lack of ethics, fraud, conflicts of interest, greed, enriching himself and his cronies at the expense of taxpayers and lower income citizens, and generally being a smarmy reprobate.  Any politics are secondary to his history of personal behavior. 

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