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[JFW657]

5 minutes ago, orange87 said:

Say hello to Mr. Strawman.

BTW, the LGBT community is rapidly losing public support even by people who were former allies like me because of borderline pedo-y behavior. And if we allow this to metastasize because we all crawled into hole because we were afraid to be called "bigots" then I'm very certain there will eventually be a "P" added to that acronym. Mark my words. Don't say it won't happen because just 10 years ago people would have called you crazy if you told them a large segment of the population would actually believe that men can get pregnant. Now look where we are.

I'm in more or less agreement with most of what you said, but I'm not quite willing to go as far as the 'P-word'.

I do think that there is an attempt at indoctrination going on, but not necessarily for that purpose.

Maybe to sort of 'recruit' more 'players' at a very young age so that when they become adults they'll be "on the team" so to speak. 

But you could be right, too. Anything is possible.

I do think that more and more people are getting tired of being constantly beaten over the head with their agenda, though. It's almost like all this generation thinks about are gender issues and their genitalia. They're obsessed with it. I've never seen anything like it. The Chinese are going eat our lunch one day because their young people will be well versed in technology, science and math while ours will be too busy trying to figure out which of three dozen (and counting) genders they want to identify as. 

[jack]

2 hours ago, JFW657 said:

Says who? 

Where's the proof that it ISN'T widespread? Or won't become widespread given time?

People describe the idea of anthropomorphic climate change as a "social panic" because some scientists claim to have proof that it isn't real or they just choose to not believe it. 

Also, I believe a panic has to involve an actual widespread panic REACTION. 

AFAIK all this involves is some conservative politicians taking preemptive actions before it actually becomes widespread.

Something I am not 100% in disagreement with. 

I think the people who are pushing this pro-alphabet agenda have shown that they are willing to go as far as they're allowed to.  

I have not seen anyone lay out an objective case with data to back it up. The sort of things elected should do when they pass laws instead of using their feelings. 

Your example of climate is a great example of a social panic. Take something and blow it way out of proportion. 

Taking preemptive steps is another way of violating your liberty. 

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, jack said:

I have not seen anyone lay out an objective case with data to back it up. The sort of things elected should do when they pass laws instead of using their feelings. 

Your example of climate is a great example of a social panic. Take something and blow it way out of proportion. 

Taking preemptive steps is another way of violating your liberty. 

You have now....

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The Real Story Behind Drag Queen Story Hour

Aimed at children, the phenomenon is far more subversive than its defenders claim.

The drag queen might appear as a comic figure, but he carries an utterly serious message: the deconstruction of sex, the reconstruction of child sexuality, and the subversion of middle-class family life.

As the queer theorists’ vanguard intellectual project was running aground on incest and bestiality fantasies, the most enterprising among them took a different tack: using the commercialization of drag and the goodwill associated with the gay and lesbian rights movement as a means of transforming drag performances into “family-friendly” events that could transmit a simplified version of queer theory to children. 

The key figure in this transition was a “genderqueer” college professor and drag queen named Harris Kornstein—stage name Lil Miss Hot Mess—who hosted some of the original readings in public libraries and wrote the children’s book The Hips on the Drag Queen Go Swish, Swish, Swish. Kornstein sits on the board of Drag Queen Story Hour, the nonprofit organization that was founded by Michelle Tea in 2015 to promote “family-friendly” drag performances and has since expanded to 40 local chapters that have organized hundreds of performances across the United States. 

Kornstein also published the manifesto for the movement, “Drag Pedagogy: The Playful Practice of Queer Imagination in Early Childhood,” with coauthor Harper Keenan, a female-to-male transgender queer theorist at the University of British Columbia. 

...the authors propose a new teaching method, “drag pedagogy,” as a way of stimulating the “queer imagination,” teaching kids “how to live queerly,” and “bringing queer ways of knowing and being into the education of young children.” As Kornstein and Keenan explain, this is an intellectual and political project that requires drag queens and activists to work toward undermining traditional notions of sexuality, replacing the biological family with the ideological family, and arousing transgressive sexual desires in young children. “Building in part from queer theory and trans studies, queer and trans pedagogies seek to actively destabilize the normative function of schooling through transformative education,” they write. “This is a fundamentally different orientation than movements towards the inclusion or assimilation of LGBT people into the existing structures of school and society.”

For the drag pedagogists, the traditional life path—growing up, getting married, working 40 hours a week, and raising a family—is an oppressive bourgeois norm that must be deconstructed and subverted. As the drag queens take the stage in their sexually suggestive costumes, Kornstein and Keenan argue, their task is to disrupt the “binary between womanhood and manhood,” seed the room with “gender-transgressive themes,” and break the “reproductive futurity” of the “nuclear family” and the “sexually monogamous marriage”—all of which are considered mechanisms of heterosexual, capitalist oppression. 

The books selected in many Drag Queen Story Hour performances—Cinderelliot, If You’re a Drag Queen and You Know It, The Gender Wheel, Bye Bye, Binary, and They, She, He, Easy as ABC—promote this basic narrative. Though Drag Queen Story Hour events are often billed as “family-friendly,” Kornstein and Keenan explain that this is a form of code: “It may be that DQSH is ‘family friendly,’ in the sense that it is accessible and inviting to families with children, but it is less a sanitizing force than it is a preparatory introduction to alternate modes of kinship. Here, DQSH is ‘family friendly’ in the sense of ‘family’ as an old-school queer code to identify and connect with other queers on the street.” That is, the goal is not to reinforce the biological family but to facilitate the child’s transition into the ideological family.

Scenes from drag events hosted across the United States in bars, clubs, and outdoor festivals have been even more shocking and disturbing: in Miami, a man with enormous fake breasts and dollar bills stuffed into his G-string grabs the hand of a preschool-aged girl and struts her in front of the crowd; in Washington, D.C., a drag queen wearing leather and chains teaches a young child how to dance for cash tips; in Dallas, hulking male figures with makeup smeared across their faces strip down to undergarments, simulate a female mint, and perform lap dances on members of a roaring audience of adults and children.

Newspaper headlines have also announced abuses: “Tucson High School Counselor Behind Teen Drag Show Arrested for Relationship with Minor”; “Houston Public Library Admits Registered Child Sex Offender Read to Kids in Drag Queen Storytime”; “Drag Queen Charged with 25 Counts of Felony Child Sexual Abuse Material Possession”; “Second ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ Reader in Houston Exposed as Convicted Child Sex Offender”; “Drag Queen Story Hour Activist Arrested for Child Porn, Still Living with His Adopted Kids.”

Advocates of Drag Queen Story Hour might reply that these are outlier cases and that many of the child-oriented events feature drag queens reading books and talking about gender, not engaging in sexualized performances. But the spirit of drag is predicated on the transgressive sexual element and the ideology of queer theory, which cannot be erased by switching the context and softening the language. The philosophical and political project of queer theory has always been to dethrone traditional heterosexual culture and elevate what Rubin called the “sexual caste” at the bottom of the hierarchy: the transsexual, the transvestite, the fetishist, the sadomasochist, the prostitute, the porn star, and the pedophile. Drag Queen Story Hour can attempt to sanitize the routines and run criminal background checks on its performers, but the subculture of queer theory will always attract men who want to follow the ideology to its conclusions.

 

City Journal is a public policy magazine and website, published by the conservative Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, that covers a range of topics on urban affairs, such as policing, education, housing, and other issues

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-real-story-behind-drag-queen-story-hour 

[orange87]

[prahaboheme]

5 hours ago, JFW657 said:

There has ALWAYS been restricted access for CHILDREN to certain books. Or had you not heard?

There have always been books that were considered too adult for school libraries. 

Yes, high school kids should be given more leeway and yes DeShameless is probably, as always, pushing things too far. But lurching to the other extreme is not much better.

When I was 12 & 13, my little buddies and I had to sneak around in the magazine section of the drug store to cop a peek at the latest issue of Playboy Magazine. Otherwise they would not let us. 

But I'm not surprised at the homophobia comment. Happens anytime anyone refuses to go along with that which reeks of pandering acceptance of the "squeaky wheels" for the sole purpose of not upsetting the apple cart and not becoming the target of hurled accusations or some convenient, demonizing "______phobe" or "______ist" label. 

And I'm sorry (not sorry) I didn't check with you first about the "purpose" of this discussion.

Nobody told me you were in charge of determining that. 

This is the skunk at the garden party. Doesn’t pass the smell test. 

[prahaboheme]

3 hours ago, orange87 said:

Say hello to Mr. Strawman.

BTW, the LGBT community is rapidly losing public support even by people who were former allies like me because of borderline pedo-y behavior. And if we allow this to metastasize because we all crawled into a hole because we were afraid to be called "bigots" then I'm very certain there will eventually be a "P" added to that acronym. Mark my words. Don't say it won't happen because just 10 years ago people would have called you crazy if you told them a large segment of the population would actually believe that men can get pregnant. Now look where we are.

What are you drinking in CT? Did you import Orlando city tap water?

[jrs2]

4 hours ago, JFW657 said:

Well, I would not say that I am 'aligned' with MAGA at all.

I would say that I don't think the right is always wrong and I don't think the left is always right.

If that is not too confusing.    

Actually, I misspoke…what I meant was that THEY aligned you with MAGA ideologues, etc…

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, orange87 said:

[jrs2]

4 hours ago, orange87 said:

Say hello to Mr. Strawman.

BTW, the LGBT community is rapidly losing public support even by people who were former allies like me because of borderline pedo-y behavior. And if we allow this to metastasize because we all crawled into a hole because we were afraid to be called "bigots" then I'm very certain there will eventually be a "P" added to that acronym. Mark my words. Don't say it won't happen because just 10 years ago people would have called you crazy if you told them a large segment of the population would actually believe that men can get pregnant. Now look where we are.

I tried to explain last fall that there wasn’t this animus towards the gay community b/c of the Dis-Santis feud; it was about turning kids into trannies.  But the extremists made it so that the gay community felt it was about them, when they renamed The Act “Don’t Say Gay”, almost in a slanderous fashion, since it says nothing about gays within it.  

But that’s what a factional party politick does…they have an agenda, and when there’s push back, they redefine it to control the narrative.  W did it in 2001; even granny was a potential terrorist and not believing that the Taliban dropped the WTC, and not supporting TSA, war and The Patriot Act was anti-American, and Cheney made $$$. Awe, hec, you could probably even draw an analogy to the typical NRA narrative ala the 2nd Amendment and gun control (did I just admit to that?).

If anything, I view gays as victims of the extreme Left; they are pawns getting manipulated.  And if there is any resentment of them, its because casual onlookers see the label “Don’t Say Gay” and errantly think this whole thing was about gays when it wasn’t.

Anyway, I personally don’t think gays are pedos.  And I still hug my hair stylist every time I greet him (actually all of my gay friends and colleagues including my cousin; they all get a hug (not BS gringo stuff; I’m talking full on Cuomo-like hugs)).  And my administrative assistant and I still talk about his exploits and conquests  (and seedy bars) all the time.  Business as usual.

[jack]

On 5/19/2023 at 10:04 PM, jrs2 said:

I tried to explain last fall that there wasn’t this animus towards the gay community b/c of the Dis-Santis feud; it was about turning kids into trannies.  But the extremists made it so that the gay community felt it was about them, when they renamed The Act “Don’t Say Gay”, almost in a slanderous fashion, since it says nothing about gays within it.  

But that’s what a factional party politick does…they have an agenda, and when there’s push back, they redefine it to control the narrative.  W did it in 2001; even granny was a potential terrorist and not believing that the Taliban dropped the WTC, and not supporting TSA, war and The Patriot Act was anti-American, and Cheney made $$$. Awe, hec, you could probably even draw an analogy to the typical NRA narrative ala the 2nd Amendment and gun control (did I just admit to that?).

If anything, I view gays as victims of the extreme Left; they are pawns getting manipulated.  And if there is any resentment of them, its because casual onlookers see the label “Don’t Say Gay” and errantly think this whole thing was about gays when it wasn’t.

Anyway, I personally don’t think gays are pedos.  And I still hug my hair stylist every time I greet him (actually all of my gay friends and colleagues including my cousin; they all get a hug (not BS gringo stuff; I’m talking full on Cuomo-like hugs)).  And my administrative assistant and I still talk about his exploits and conquests  (and seedy bars) all the time.  Business as usual.

The bill in draft form literally did not allow teachers to discuss gay. So the naming was accurate. However, it was modified in committee and the full vote on the floor reflected on the change from don't say gay to don't teach gay. 

Most people are fine with gay and lesbian people. But there is a strong evangelical opposition that were completely shocked by Obergerfel and still want to see the movement get pushed back. Thats why it went from going after the T's to shifting to everyone else. I personally don't think it is fair to LGB people since they have nothing in common with the T's but here we are. 

On 5/19/2023 at 6:10 PM, JFW657 said:

You have now....

City Journal is a public policy magazine and website, published by the conservative Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, that covers a range of topics on urban affairs, such as policing, education, housing, and other issues

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-real-story-behind-drag-queen-story-hour 

I am very familiar with the Manhattan institute and have followed their president Reihan Salam since his days at NR. I also think some of their writers are straight trash especially Christopher Rufo. 
 

Transexuals and Drag Queens are not one and the same. 

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, jack said:

The bill in draft form literally did not allow teachers to discuss gay. So the naming was accurate. However, it was modified in committee and the full vote on the floor reflected on the change from don't say gay to don't teach gay. 

Most people are fine with gay and lesbian people. But there is a strong evangelical opposition that were completely shocked by Obergerfel and still want to see the movement get pushed back. Thats why it went from going after the T's to shifting to everyone else. I personally don't think it is fair to LGB people since they have nothing in common with the T's but here we are. 

I'm fine with them, too. I have known, worked alongside, been neighbors of and socialized with a few gay and lesbian people over the years.

Great people AFAIC.

But that doesn't mean organizations which purport to represent their social and political interests should have Carte Blanche in public schools with the minds of young children.

Outside of reproduction and health, sexuality of any kind, gay straight or otherwise, is a subject that doesn't belong in public elementary and middle schools.

Upper grades in high school, maybe as long as it is approached properly and carefully.

Simple as that.

1 hour ago, jack said:

I am very familiar with the Manhattan institute and have followed their president Reihan Salam since his days at NR. I also think some of their writers are straight trash especially Christopher Rufo. 

 

Transexuals and Drag Queens are not one and the same. 

Fine, you're entitled to your opinion about my source.  You said that you have not seen anyone lay out an objective case with data to back it up.  I showed you an example of it. 

But the difference between Transexuals and Drag Queens is neither here nor there.

Has nothing to do with indoctrinating public school children about issues regarding sexuality, gender and genitalia.

You can feel free to disagree. Won't change anyone's mind. 

 

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Edited May 22, 2023 by JFW657

[jack]

2 hours ago, JFW657 said:

I'm fine with them, too. I have known, worked alongside, been neighbors of and socialized with a few gay and lesbian people over the years.

Great people AFAIC.

But that doesn't mean organizations which purport to represent their social and political interests should have Carte Blanche in public schools with the minds of young children.

Outside of reproduction and health, sexuality of any kind, gay straight or otherwise, is a subject that doesn't belong in public elementary and middle schools.

Upper grades in high school, maybe as long as it is approached properly and carefully.

Simple as that.

Fine, you're entitled to your opinion about my source.  You said that you have not seen anyone lay out an objective case with data to back it up.  I showed you an example of it. 

But the difference between Transexuals and Drag Queens is neither here nor there.

Has nothing to do with indoctrinating public school children about issues regarding sexuality, gender and genitalia.

You can feel free to disagree. Won't change anyone's mind. 

 

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The problem with Rufo is he has a history of misdirection. And if you listen to him debate someone that he disagrees with (which he does not do anymore), his arguments fall flat. 

Regardless, I know I will not change your mind and you will not change mine. I am a small government conservative and there are like 10 of us left lol. I am used to being on the losing side. 

Edited May 22, 2023 by jack

[jrs2]

2 hours ago, jack said:

The problem with Rufo is he has a history of misdirection. And if you listen to him debate someone that he disagrees with (which he does not do anymore), his arguments fall flat. 

Regardless, I know I will not change your mind and you will not change mine. I am a small government conservative and there are like 10 of us left lol. I am used to being on the losing side. 

check out my post on the Lake Nona thread. I think I nailed it.

[JFW657]

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aent:

Again, this isn't true. Politicians on both sides have wanted to eliminate this district for a long time, but lacked the will power to take on Disney. Everyone knew this district was extremely unfair. Noise even picked up a bit about it when Universal was gearing up for their new park, prior to DeSantis, but there was no willpower to get it done. This is hardly rare, if you'd like to see a list of districts dissolved that were originally written into the law in perpetuity, here you go: https://specialdistrictreports.floridajobs.org/OfficialList/DissolvedDistrictPDF

Link, please.

Provide us with one article pre-2022 in which it is reported that this administration as well as previous administrations have actively sought to dissolve RCID and replace it with a board that would be hand picked by the governor.

And what exactly was so unfair about it?

Disney has paid billions in taxes. They are the main tourist draw and the main reason why the Central Florida economy even exists. There would be no Universal Studios or Sea World or I-Drive or Orlando Magic or Orlando City Soccer, SunRail or etc, etc, etc without their presence not to mention the billions they've invested here.

So please tell me.... exactly what is so unfair?

Also, your dissolved districts list says absolutely nothing about WHY they were dissolved, which in terms of this discussion, is the #1 most important aspect. The districts on that list could have been dissolved for an untold number of reasons.

Therefore, your inclusion of it proved nothing. 

Just another weak deflection and obfuscation tactic.

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aent:

Wrong, this law was first pushed by the legislature, and then the governor signs it into law. I know the democrats typically do everything by executive order, but this law was passed going through the normal processes.

Again.... prove it with a credible link or it didn't happen.

I think most people believe, as do I, that DeSantis told them to write the law.

Ordered them and they obeyed like the obedient lap dogs they are.

Otherwise, why did we never hear reports of the legislature in the process of crafting an RCID dissolution bill PRIOR TO Disney's public comments on the Parental Rights in Education Law?

That would have made the news right away.

This is DeSantis' law which is based on a personal vendetta and everybody knows it. 

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aent:

Of course not, The Villages and all of the CDDs are created under Florida Statute 190, which has very clearly defined, narrow limits to what the CDDs can do, and establishes governance by multiple residents, and not a single corporation. RCID most definitely was not formed under Ch 190, and has no relation to that, or any other district in the state of Florida in which do not have a narrow scope of powers. The law, DID, in fact, disband several districts in Republican areas that had the same issues of way more power then other districts... this includes districts such as the Bradford County Development Authority and the Marion County Law Library District.

The law that created RCID was approved and declared legal by the Florida Supreme Court. There was nothing contrary to Florida's Constitution or state laws in it.

If there was, please explain in detail and with sources exactly how it violated anything.

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aent:

But your addressing of this issue is with an insane response. The state legislature in Florida passed a law choosing to not continue the special districts that haven't complied with Florida's other laws for many decades now. The governor agreed with the proposed law and signed it into law, which may or may not be related to a social and political (while it may have been political to DeSantis, I have not seen public comments from the legislature that proposed it indicating its anything but them wanting Disney to pay their fair share and not have powers not available to anyone else.

And your addressing of the issue is just more of same insane gobbledygook.

California and CVS were engaged in a yearly, standard business contract. California allowed that contract to run its course. There was no law outside of normal contract laws governing that agreement. 

Nothing even comparable to dissolving a State Supreme Court approved governing board. 

Your desperation is showing. 

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aent:

You use the word unilaterally for Florida's law, even though the Florida State House and Senate and the Governor all had to act independently of each other to get it done. You avoid the word unilaterally when referring to California, where the Governor, acting alone without any legislative support, cancelled the contract with CVS for admittedly only political reasons.

Anyone who believes the Florida legislature acted on their own on this issue without a direct order from DeSantis, probably believes Barney is a real talking purple dinosaur. 

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aent:

You're right, its not comparable, what California did is far worse and thats why people are leaving California and coming to Florida. Also, thanks for ignoring Chick Fil A.

Explain how allowing a business contract to expire then going with another company is somehow worse than using the state government to carry out a personal vendetta against one of the largest employers and revenue generators in the state.

I would love to hear what you can cook up for that.

And please tell us about poor, abused Chick Fil A.  What awful thing was done to them? 

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aent:

I'd strongly recommend reading at least the ruling of the Citizens United case, you might learn a lot.

I'm familiar enough with Citizens United after having discussed and debated it at length on other forums.

Exactly what do you think I'm missing about it?

Did it not legalize "dark money" political donations? 
 

[JFW657]

In related news....

Orlando restaurant Hamburger Mary’s sues Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis over anti-drag law

The lawsuit comes after DeSantis signed into law a bill that restricts drag performances anywhere children are present.

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/orlando-restaurant-hamburger-marys-sues-florida-gov-ron-desantis-over-anti-drag-law-34250362

 

[prahaboheme]

Disney 1000 - Dee Satan 0

Disney proving over and over that Florida’s resident drama queen is no match for the Mouse.  

https://deadline.com/2023/05/disney-florida-ron-desantis-theme-parks-josh-damaro-1235375425/amp/
 

Meanwhile Dee is taking their anti-Disney show on the road. Mark my words here, they will be a political outsider faster than they can say “To Wong Foo, thank you for everything! Julie Newmar”

Edited May 22, 2023 by prahaboheme

[jrs2]

18 hours ago, prahaboheme said:

Disney 1000 - Dee Satan 0

Disney proving over and over that Florida’s resident drama queen is no match for the Mouse.  

https://deadline.com/2023/05/disney-florida-ron-desantis-theme-parks-josh-damaro-1235375425/amp/
 

Meanwhile Dee is taking their anti-Disney show on the road. Mark my words here, they will be a political outsider faster than they can say “To Wong Foo, thank you for everything! Julie Newmar”

thanks for posting that link.  Lots of good info in that article.  @aent A lot here of what was posted earlier.

Also, there was a link to this article within that article:

https://deadline.com/2023/05/disney-layoffs-third-round-1235375920/

So between the two articles, pretty much Disney is going to still invest $17B into the parks in the future, and the layoffs they are doing affect the other sub-industries within Disney, mainly b/c of the writer's strike.  Iger's main goal in the $5.5B cuts is to "downsize" in light of all this.  It looks like Disney+ is gonna turn into Disney-.  It sucks, but when you imbed with the unions, you live by the union and you dies by the union.  ESPN will also see cuts.  Wow.  I wonder how the ABC soaps will fare, like General Hospital, because that's a daily show; maybe not so much anymore and maybe they'll spread the episodes out that were already filmed.

That being said, one of the major things being cut is the "centralized distribution organization" created by Bob Chapek.  I'm not going to pretend that I know what that means, but, its probably corporate fat.  I don't know enough about how Chapek ran things to pass judgment on his track record.  It sucks anytime anyone loses his or her job.

I think Disney screwed up who they were marketing Star Cruiser Hotel to...they needed to create more Star Wars fans among the very affluent (Chinese and Arabs come to mind, and rich kids that go to NYU and Stanford).  They did a crappy job and probably focused on the blue-collar Midwesterners that flock to Disney annually.  It's a shame, really; I really wanted to see that at some point.  I've got a great analogy to this:  UF.  UF has been marketing to kids that come from money more so than ever over the past twenty years because they want guaranteed donations from the alumni association.  So, that's who they market to.  Similar, but different.

But like I said time and again...Iger follows the Eisner model which is Disney will not rob Peter to pay Paul.  Each individual attraction has to stand on its own (financially).

And if you're downsizing, building a $1B campus in Orlando doesn't really comport with that move.

[jack]

3 hours ago, jrs2 said:

 

But like I said time and again...Iger follows the Eisner model which is Disney will not rob Peter to pay Paul.  Each individual attraction has to stand on its own (financially).

And if you're downsizing, building a $1B campus in Orlando doesn't really comport with that move.

What is the ROI to move all the way across the country? Its not like they were moving the corporate headquarters out of California. They would still have to pay whatever corporate taxes to the state. I doubt moving to Florida would have helped recruit new employees. I do not se the angle. Stay in California and suffer under the leviathan. With great weather of course. 

[jrs2]

17 hours ago, jack said:

What is the ROI to move all the way across the country? Its not like they were moving the corporate headquarters out of California. They would still have to pay whatever corporate taxes to the state. I doubt moving to Florida would have helped recruit new employees. I do not se the angle. Stay in California and suffer under the leviathan. With great weather of course. 

Having grown up here, I would want to stay in CA..I think.  

I'd like to know what benefit Disney was going to get annually in Florida vs CA.  We already know about the tax incentives ($538M over 19 years).  But in year 20, how much cheaper would it be compared to CA?  Or maybe, it WAS only about the tax incentives over the next 19 years...about $28M/yr.

[orange87]

[jrs2]

@prahaboheme

Happy to see that the Sentinel is reporting on another DeSatan jab at Orlando: 

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/scott-maxwell-commentary/os-desantis-targets-drag-show-orlando-philharmonic-scott-maxwell-20230207-5ywdetwu6nevxbrpwuxz2n3uze-story.html

Where is Buddy though? Are elected officials too afraid to step in?

 

^^

No, they're too busy getting paid playing the game, while their constituents are the ONLY ones up in arms all the time over the BS they see on the news and social media.  They don't give a sh!t about me and they don't give a sh!t about you.  We're all we got in this stinking place and we need to stick together.

[JFW657]

17 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

@prahaboheme

Happy to see that the Sentinel is reporting on another DeSatan jab at Orlando: 

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/scott-maxwell-commentary/os-desantis-targets-drag-show-orlando-philharmonic-scott-maxwell-20230207-5ywdetwu6nevxbrpwuxz2n3uze-story.html

Where is Buddy though? Are elected officials too afraid to step in?

 

^^

No, they're too busy getting paid playing the game, while their constituents are the ONLY ones up in arms all the time over the BS they see on the news and social media.  They don't give a sh!t about me and they don't give a sh!t about you.  We're all we got in this stinking place and we need to stick together.

I think DeSh!tstain probably knows or figures these insane laws will eventually be overturned by the high courts, but he's also probably betting that by the time they are, he'll have ridden the wave of goodwill they created amongst far right bigotry lovers, all the way to the White House. 

Personally, I think he's doing just the opposite by trying to appeal solely to his narrow, right-wing base.

If, God forbid, he wins the Republican primary and becomes the 2024 nominee, watch for him to moderate his positions on all these culture issues. If he doesn't I don't see how he could win over the moderates and swing voters he'd need to get elected. 

[jrs2]

2 hours ago, JFW657 said:

I think DeSh!tstain probably knows or figures these insane laws will eventually be overturned by the high courts, but he's also probably betting that by the time they are, he'll have ridden the wave of goodwill they created amongst far right bigotry lovers, all the way to the White House. 

Personally, I think he's doing just the opposite by trying to appeal solely to his narrow, right-wing base.

If, God forbid, he wins the Republican primary and becomes the 2024 nominee, watch for him to moderate his positions on all these culture issues. If he doesn't I don't see how he could win over the moderates and swing voters he'd need to get elected. 

he made some sort of deal with the insurance lobby.  really p!sses me off.  Just like Mel Martinez when he was preaching all that tort reform BS like fifteen years ago.  He reduced the statute of limitations for injuries from four years down to two.  and, in roofing claims, before, the lawyer would get paid by the insurance company.  now, he gets paid out of what the plaintiff gets as a settlement.  and insurance companies typically don't pay and force you to sue them.  so now, how can a homeowner be expected to get their roof replaced if the lawyer takes 1/3 (or 40% if they're in litigation)?

I can feel it coming up my alimentary canal, through my stomach, and up my throat and out my mouth like Hentai tentacle porn sans the nut.

[jack]

3 hours ago, JFW657 said:

Personally, I think he's doing just the opposite by trying to appeal solely to his narrow,  online right-wing base.

I made a small edit to your comment. 

[JFW657]

Just now, jack said:

I made a small edit to your comment. 

That's probably true to a certain extent, but then again almost everyone is online nowadays anyway.