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[JFW657]

9 minutes ago, orange87 said:

A diner in the town I used to live in, DeBary, has made national news.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/31/florida-diner-owner-tells-biden-supporters-to-eat-elsewhere/

I guess she's totally ignorant of the fact, or else just couldn't give a crap, that

1) it was G.W. Bush's fault we were over there to begin with because of the way he and his admin

a) allowed 9/11 to happen by being asleep on the job and failing to protect America, and

b) getting us needlessly mired in Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 but the Bushlings wanted to make it look they they were punishing Arabs, which

c) destabilized the ME requiring us to eventually go into Afghanistan anyway, and

2) Every President since GW Bush kept us involved in Afghanistan and

3) that sleazy NYC real estate shyster Donald Trump, who the restaurant owner probably worships like the rest of he Trump cult, is the one who made the initial deal with the Taliban to pull out, though he wanted to do it even faster than Biden did. 

Blaming Biden for the things that have gone wrong during the pull out, is like blaming a receiver for the loss of a football game after he drops a pass in the end zone during the final seconds of a game that his team was down 50-0 in anyway.

But then again, when did facts and reality ever cut any mustard with Trump cultists? 

 

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5 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

I guess she's totally ignorant of the fact, or else just couldn't give a crap, that

1) it was G.W. Bush's fault we were over there to begin with because of the way he and his admin

a) allowed 9/11 to happen by being asleep on the job and failing to protect America, and

b) getting us needlessly mired in Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 but the Bushlings wanted to make it look they they were punishing Arabs, which

c) destabilized the ME requiring us to eventually go into Afghanistan anyway, and

2) Every President since GW Bush kept us involved in Afghanistan and

3) that sleazy NYC real estate shyster Donald Trump, who the restaurant owner probably worships like the rest of he Trump cult, is the one who made the initial deal with the Taliban to pull out, though he wanted to do it even faster than Biden did. 

Blaming Biden for the things that have gone wrong during the pull out, is like blaming a receiver for the loss of a football game after he drops a pass in the end zone during the final seconds of a game that his team was down 50-0 in anyway.

But then again, when did facts and reality ever cut any mustard with Trump cultists? 

 

I’ve never let it bug me - DeBary’s been a right wing redoubt forever. Fortunately, just up the road is DeLand, which is DeLightfully blue (although it took a while for formerly Baptist Stetson to get there) and there’s a lot more there there.

[aent]

3 hours ago, JFW657 said:

I guess she's totally ignorant of the fact, or else just couldn't give a crap, that

1) it was G.W. Bush's fault we were over there to begin with because of the way he and his admin

a) allowed 9/11 to happen by being asleep on the job and failing to protect America, and

b) getting us needlessly mired in Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 but the Bushlings wanted to make it look they they were punishing Arabs, which

c) destabilized the ME requiring us to eventually go into Afghanistan anyway, and

2) Every President since GW Bush kept us involved in Afghanistan and

3) that sleazy NYC real estate shyster Donald Trump, who the restaurant owner probably worships like the rest of he Trump cult, is the one who made the initial deal with the Taliban to pull out, though he wanted to do it even faster than Biden did. 

Blaming Biden for the things that have gone wrong during the pull out, is like blaming a receiver for the loss of a football game after he drops a pass in the end zone during the final seconds of a game that his team was down 50-0 in anyway.

But then again, when did facts and reality ever cut any mustard with Trump cultists? 

 

1) The poster and restaurant says nothing about W. Infact, the Bush family and many of the Bush supporters have not supported Trump in any way. They have a very different philosophy. Likewise, many Trump supporters, did not and would not support Bush.

2) Yes, but Trump heavily reduced our number of Troops, our spending, and came up with a plan to get us out

3) Yes, thats why Biden gets the blame. Trump was doing well, reducing our troops, making deals, and it appeared to be working, no issues at all. Biden completely threw out the Trump plan, just like he did with every successful Trump executive order, and then still pulled out the troops with seemingly no plan at all. Then it went wrong, and some people think we shouldn't blame Biden? Sure, blame Bush for getting us in the mess, but Biden did an awful job getting us out.

For your football analogy, it'd be like if Alabama just won another national championship, and returns every single starter for another year, except the current coach decides to retire. Another coach comes in, throws out all the existing playbooks, fires all the coaches and wants to implement his own system, and then promptly goes 2-10 the next year. Should we blame Saban? Or the new guy that threw out his playbooks and systems and everything that was working?

I'm gonna blame the new guy.

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, aent said:

1) The poster and restaurant says nothing about W. Infact, the Bush family and many of the Bush supporters have not supported Trump in any way. They have a very different philosophy. Likewise, many Trump supporters, did not and would not support Bush.

2) Yes, but Trump heavily reduced our number of Troops, our spending, and came up with a plan to get us out

3) Yes, thats why Biden gets the blame. Trump was doing well, reducing our troops, making deals, and it appeared to be working, no issues at all. Biden completely threw out the Trump plan, just like he did with every successful Trump executive order, and then still pulled out the troops with seemingly no plan at all. Then it went wrong, and some people think we shouldn't blame Biden? Sure, blame Bush for getting us in the mess, but Biden did an awful job getting us out.

For your football analogy, it'd be like if Alabama just won another national championship, and returns every single starter for another year, except the current coach decides to retire. Another coach comes in, throws out all the existing playbooks, fires all the coaches and wants to implement his own system, and then promptly goes 2-10 the next year. Should we blame Saban? Or the new guy that threw out his playbooks and systems and everything that was working?

I'm gonna blame the new guy.

That's a gross overstatement of Trump's savvy.

He made a crappy deal and gave away the farm based solely on promises from The Taliban with no built in enforcement mechanism other than his empty threats over what he'd do if they broke the deal.

He even let 5,000 Taliban out of prison as he was drawing down American troops.

All Trump cared about was being able to claim that he kept a campaign promise, one of he very few he did keep.

By the time Biden took office, there were only 3,500 American troops left there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/20/trump-peace-deal-taliban/ 

The long and short of it is.... the Republicans allowed 9/11 to happen on their watch.

The Republicans got us mired in Iraq and Afghanistan in retaliation for an attack they allowed to happen.

And now they are all blaming Biden for the fact that the withdrawal hasn't gone like clockwork.

Unbelievable. 

[orange87]

15 hours ago, JFW657 said:

That's a gross overstatement of Trump's savvy.

He made a crappy deal and gave away the farm based solely on promises from The Taliban with no built in enforcement mechanism other than his empty threats over what he'd do if they broke the deal.

He even let 5,000 Taliban out of prison as he was drawing down American troops.

All Trump cared about was being able to claim that he kept a campaign promise, one of he very few he did keep.

By the time Biden took office, there were only 3,500 American troops left there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/20/trump-peace-deal-taliban/ 

The long and short of it is.... the Republicans allowed 9/11 to happen on their watch.

The Republicans got us mired in Iraq and Afghanistan in retaliation for an attack they allowed to happen.

And now they are all blaming Biden for the fact that the withdrawal hasn't gone like clockwork.

Unbelievable. 

Why are you always raging? I bet your face was all red when you typed that. 

[JFW657]

1 minute ago, orange87 said:

Why are you always raging? I bet your face was all red when you typed that. 

You can call it "raging" if you want, but that doesn't make it true.

I've noticed that kind of baseless implication is a commonly used tactic some people employ when they don't have an actual answer.

For the record, my face usually only turns red from laughing at Trumper conspiracy kooks and raging right-wing Biden haters. 

[spenser1058]

9 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

You can call it "raging" if you want, but that doesn't make it true.

I've noticed that kind of baseless implication is a commonly used tactic some people employ when they don't have an actual answer.

For the record, my face usually only turns red from laughing at Trumper conspiracy kooks and raging right-wing Biden haters. 

Something I’ve noticed about the Trumpsters and the right in general - their knowledge of US history is often lacking for folks so involved in politics. I’ve often wondered if it’s intentional misremembering or if they’re really that clueless. (Perhaps along the same lines, studies have often found fundamentalists have the least reliable Bible knowledge. Of course, I understand that having been raised in a fundie church; there wasn’t a lot of Bible study, we were just given hand-picked verses by the preacher. Years later, after joining FUMCO, we actually went through the Bible, book by book, and I was amazed how different it was from what I had been taught).

[JFW657]

24 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

Something I’ve noticed about the Trumpsters and the right in general - their knowledge of US history is often lacking for folks so involved in politics. I’ve often wondered if it’s intentional misremembering or if they’re really that clueless. (Perhaps along the same lines, studies have often found fundamentalists have the least reliable Bible knowledge. Of course, I understand that having been raised in a fundie church; there wasn’t a lot of Bible study, we were just given hand-picked verses by the preacher. Years later, after joining FUMCO, we actually went through the Bible, book by book, and I was amazed how different it was from what I had been taught).

I've seen the same basic kind of behavior and tactics used by some on the far left as well.

Extremism is no longer mainly the purview of the far right.

Two decades ago, The Democrats were the party of rationality, common sense and compromise.

Now we're beginning to see the Democratic Party being co-opted by the left's answer to the tea party.  

At the same time, the right's kooks have gotten even kookier, especially since Trump came along and unleashed their inner goofiness. 

Everything is going crazy. 

[spenser1058]

2 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

I've seen the same basic kind of behavior and tactics used by some on the far left as well.

Extremism is no longer mainly the purview of the far right.

Two decades ago, The Democrats were the party of rationality, common sense and compromise.

Now we're beginning to see the Democratic Party being co-opted by the left's answer to the tea party.  

At the same time, the right's kooks have gotten even kookier, especially since Trump came along and unleashed their inner goofiness. 

Everything is going crazy. 

There’s a difference - the far left Democrats don’t get into power in the party. Notice who we nominated for president and who they nominated. What you see on Twitter isn’t the Democratic Party - what you see on FOX and Newsmax is currently the GOP.

[JFW657]

5 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

There’s a difference - the far left Democrats don’t get into power in the party. Notice who we nominated for president and who they nominated. What you see on Twitter isn’t the Democratic Party - what you see on FOX and Newsmax is currently the GOP.

For now.

Check back in ten years. 

Or less.

Everyone on every side of every issue is going extremist.

Thanks, internet.  

[spenser1058]

Meanwhile, the politics are getting wackier and wackier in Lake County:

Far right activist Laura Loomer to challenge U.S. Rep. Webster in GOP primary
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-loomer-congress-run-webster-20210901-baoe63q3uvdmzmpmeadywhsl6i-story.html

From The Sentinel 

First, Sabatini and now Laura Looneytunes..

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of folks (I’m a little sad for Mt. Dora, they’d been getting a  bit more civilized lately).

Edited September 2, 2021 by spenser1058

[orange87]

Florida Marijuana Activists File New Legalization Initiative For 2022 Ballot Following Supreme Court Defeats

Article: https://www.marijuanamoment.net/florida-marijuana-activists-file-new-legalization-initiative-for-2022-ballot-following-supreme-court-defeats/

Sign the petition: https://regulateflorida.com/petition/

Donate: https://regulateflorida.com/donate/

Edited September 20, 2021 by orange87

[spenser1058]

Is DeSantis’ popularity fading? In a state where three percent is considered a landslide, it might make a difference in 2022:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/24/opinion/ron-desantis-florida.html?referringSource=articleShare

From The New York Times 

[spenser1058]

The first step of Florida’s raise in the minimum wage begins this week with an increase to $10/hour: 

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-bz-minimum-wage-rises-new-laws-20210927-5qbujx75bzhq3ddp4rm2f3jqzi-story.html

Be very kind to the Republicans this week as they’ll be very grumpy. Why, they might have to settle for a slightly less chi-chi golf club or a smaller yacht.

Evangelicals may have to settle for a smaller megachurch with fewer bells and whistles and do what Jesus would do and help the poor eat and afford rent.

CEOs might have to accept their pay in the kind of mulitiples over entry level employees they were back pre-Reagan, when they were just rich instead of filthy rich.

Egad!

Always remember pizza magnate Papa John who was appalled he might have to rise pizza prices by 15c per pie to provide healthcare for his workers while he was building the largest mansion in Kentucky.

It’s all about priorities you see!

 

 

 

[spenser1058]

The Disney Legacy in Orlando:

Disney World and Orlando: A tale of two cities | Commentary
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/guest-commentary/os-op-disney-orlando-tale-of-two-cities-20211001-5jkkcgkotjd3fkaodrm26orzny-story.html

From The Sentinel 

 

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“The mayor of Orlando earns more than the mayors of Tampa, Miami, and Jacksonville*, with a salary of $178,000. It’s been enough to keep Buddy Dyer, the city’s current mayor, around for a long time” You may be excused for wondering why that is when so many of his apologists on this board tell us he’s not responsible for anything going on in the city. 

* All of which are larger.

[spenser1058]

If you live in Orlando, remember that if you’re in City Council districts 1, 3 or 5 to get out and vote Nov 2. 

It’s really time for a change, so it’s time for the incumbents to go and get the city moving again. In the city’s strong mayor form of government, the council is mostly a rubber stamp (no one remembers a time when the council defeated anything proposed by the mayor), but council members can move City Hall in a direction regarding issues in their districts and (along with their aides) assist with constituent challenges that pertain to the city.

If you need to register (if you’re new to Orlando and Orange County or haven’t voted in a while), you need to do that by TODAY, OCT 4.

Early Voting is Oct 25-31.

 

Edited October 4, 2021 by spenser1058

[spenser1058]

Congresswoman Stephanie Murphy endorses Nicolette Springer in Orlando City Council District 3. 

Incumbent Robert Stuart is honorable but it’s time for him to go.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orange-county/os-ne-stephanie-murphy-nicolette-springer-endorsement-20211004-uoexzyjjhjdzrehlldijicxpki-story.html

From The Sentinel 

[jrs2]

On 9/1/2021 at 2:20 PM, JFW657 said:

I've seen the same basic kind of behavior and tactics used by some on the far left as well.

Extremism is no longer mainly the purview of the far right.

Two decades ago, The Democrats were the party of rationality, common sense and compromise.

Now we're beginning to see the Democratic Party being co-opted by the left's answer to the tea party.  

At the same time, the right's kooks have gotten even kookier, especially since Trump came along and unleashed their inner goofiness. 

Everything is going crazy. 

I tried to tell you people a long time ago that the left and the right are controlled by the same interests.  A bird cannot fly without both it's left and right wings.  But you just don't listen.  You are so clouded by your hate of the other side, you can't see straight or rationally.  When you claim you are being unbiased- been there, done that.  You quote the propaganda machine as if it's fact.  You think Trump hated the media and vice versa.  It's a sham and always has been.  Trump's platform was that of a nationalist and of course everyone that got rubbed the wrong way were socialists whether they want to admit it or not.  That was the whole purpose behind Trump; to flush out who was a leftist and who was a right winger, and since his election, there's been nothing but vitriol...on both sides to be fair.  Biden is a puppet and always was.  Blaming him for anything is ridiculous because he does not call the shots.  Neither did Trump, neither did Obama, Bush, Clinton, HW Bush, or Reagan, or anyone before him.

The bottom line is that the US as we know it is through.  This covid shaming and legislating bullcrap is killing the economy.  This blaming bullcrap is tearing people apart.  when people are divided, the people in control maintain control much easier.  

But you don't want to believe any of what I just said b/c your too conditioned and too brainwashed by the system.  Don't talk to me about politicians and respect for them; they are all liars and cheats and always have been.  this entire system is corrupt.  and if you think more government control will make it less corrupt and more livable, then you are too far gone to see anything rationally.

The banks are in control.  I told you all this a long time ago.  Enough of this freaking bullsh!t.  it is a fact about the Fed and IRS and who really makes decisions about policy.  There is a branch of the same central bank in almost every country on earth.  And you think those that control the financial infrastructure and have for over a hundred years would leave things to chance because of a loudmouth like Trump or a brain dead old man in Biden?  

  If you can't see this, then continue swimming in the mud like earthworms while the fishermen in the early morning are harvesting you and putting you on a fish hook as bait.

[JFW657]

2 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

I tried to tell you people a long time ago that the left and the right are controlled by the same interests.  A bird cannot fly without both it's left and right wings.  But you just don't listen.  You are so clouded by your hate of the other side, you can't see straight or rationally.  When you claim you are being unbiased- been there, done that.  You quote the propaganda machine as if it's fact.  You think Trump hated the media and vice versa.  It's a sham and always has been.  Trump's platform was that of a nationalist and of course everyone that got rubbed the wrong way were socialists whether they want to admit it or not.  That was the whole purpose behind Trump; to flush out who was a leftist and who was a right winger, and since his election, there's been nothing but vitriol...on both sides to be fair.  Biden is a puppet and always was.  Blaming him for anything is ridiculous because he does not call the shots.  Neither did Trump, neither did Obama, Bush, Clinton, HW Bush, or Reagan, or anyone before him.

The bottom line is that the US as we know it is through.  This covid shaming and legislating bullcrap is killing the economy.  This blaming bullcrap is tearing people apart.  when people are divided, the people in control maintain control much easier.  

But you don't want to believe any of what I just said b/c your too conditioned and too brainwashed by the system.  Don't talk to me about politicians and respect for them; they are all liars and cheats and always have been.  this entire system is corrupt.  and if you think more government control will make it less corrupt and more livable, then you are too far gone to see anything rationally.

The banks are in control.  I told you all this a long time ago.  Enough of this freaking bullsh!t.  it is a fact about the Fed and IRS and who really makes decisions about policy.  There is a branch of the same central bank in almost every country on earth.  And you think those that control the financial infrastructure and have for over a hundred years would leave things to chance because of a loudmouth like Trump or a brain dead old man in Biden?  

  If you can't see this, then continue swimming in the mud like earthworms while the fishermen in the early morning are harvesting you and putting you on a fish hook as bait.

Sorry, but you come across as just another angry, irrational, conspiracy mongering rwnj kook.

I barely read that rambling mess of an unhinged, grammatically challenged rant.

Donald Trump.... by all OBJECTIVE STANDARDS is a low-life scumbag.

He is amoral and has no character.  He thumbs his nose at the law and all rules of institutuonal decorum that have guided our nation and society for hundreds of years. Yet the loyal drones on the right defend him while using "agreement with his policies" as their excuse.

But we know it's got nothing to do with policies. Trump has no policies. His only policy is to keep his fat, bloated orange ass out on one of his golf courses at taxpayer expense as often as possiblie, while his cabinet and staff put their fingers in the political wind and determine what the hardest, most extreme right positions are, and use them as their compass.

You right-wingers worship Trump for one reason and one reason only.... you've always harbored the desire to forcefully shove your anti-social hate-mongering agenda down the left's throat, preferably with the heels of your boots. Trump was the unprincipled thug who finally exhibited an enthusiastic willingness to cater to that desire and that is why he has the unflinching love and adoration of your ilk.

Nothing more.

[jrs2]

On 8/31/2021 at 4:17 PM, JFW657 said:

I guess she's totally ignorant of the fact, or else just couldn't give a crap, that

1) it was G.W. Bush's fault we were over there to begin with because of the way he and his admin

a) allowed 9/11 to happen by being asleep on the job and failing to protect America, and

b) getting us needlessly mired in Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 but the Bushlings wanted to make it look they they were punishing Arabs, which

c) destabilized the ME requiring us to eventually go into Afghanistan anyway, and

2) Every President since GW Bush kept us involved in Afghanistan and

3) that sleazy NYC real estate shyster Donald Trump, who the restaurant owner probably worships like the rest of he Trump cult, is the one who made the initial deal with the Taliban to pull out, though he wanted to do it even faster than Biden did. 

Blaming Biden for the things that have gone wrong during the pull out, is like blaming a receiver for the loss of a football game after he drops a pass in the end zone during the final seconds of a game that his team was down 50-0 in anyway.

But then again, when did facts and reality ever cut any mustard with Trump cultists? 

 

...and what was absent in Iraq and Afghanistan prior to the US going in?  you guessed it...a central bank.   What happened after the Madam Secretary "blunder" in Libya?  Oh, I don't know, maybe the establishment of yet another central bank in place of what was to become a gold-back currency for the African Union...small stuff...really...

[spenser1058]

Guys, knock yourself out with the Trump stuff but can we do it in the other politics thread and save this one for the local and Florida entries? Many thanks…

[JFW657]

2 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

...and what was absent in Iraq and Afghanistan prior to the US going in?  you guessed it...a central bank.   What happened after the Madam Secretary "blunder" in Libya?  Oh, I don't know, maybe the establishment of yet another central bank in place of what was to become a gold-back currency for the African Union...small stuff...really...

You should bring this up at the next meeting of the  Keepers Of Odd Knowledge Society. 

[jrs2]

11 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

You should bring this up at the next meeting of the  Keepers Of Odd Knowledge Society. 

don't be a useful idiot.

glass houses.

[JFW657]

Just now, jrs2 said:

don't be a useful idiot.

glass houses.

Really????

You're implying that the left engages in the same level conspiracy mongering on as the right??? 

Puh-lease. 

Provide us with a list, if you please, of left wing conspiracy kook websites on the level of Alex Jones' InfoWars, etc..

Here's my list of right-wing conspiracy nonsense websites: https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/websites-post-fake-satirical-stories/ 

Also... if the only response you have involves something about my source being part of "the lib'rul biased media" or some othyer such hachneyed, non-response, don't even bother.