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1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

you can grow your own in MI with a license.  hence, it all comes down to the govt. being able to make money off of it.

And, marijuana is notorious for use in pain management and mental health management.  Now do you really think a politician in a vacuum will nix recreational MJ without lobbying from big pharma being involved?  follow the money.

so instead of focusing on a guy that listened to parents that said stay the F out of our kids' heads in the classroom, maybe focus on big pharma as the cancer that dictates a lot of policy in this country when it comes to medicine, you know, the same medicine that only "treats" cancer until you're broke or dead, and the same big pharma that has everyone dancing compliancy jigs like good little court jesters following their heroes who make TV public displays of sticking needles in their arms.

Spoken like a dedicated Republican.  :thumbsup:

"Nooooooooo....... Wrong DeShameless is not the politically opportunistic, gutless Trump panderer he shows himself to be in virtually everything he says and does. Nooooooooo...... he's just a good guy who cares about children!!!!"

Puh-lease. <_< 

Look, I'm not saying you're completely off base about big pharma being against legalized weed and using their financial clout to fight it. But I don't think they are the only or even the biggest factor.

And when you consider the money states can make off of taxing it and all the other little opportunities for personal pocket lining that brings with it for lawmakers, big pharma's bribes don't amount to as much as one might assume. 

Plus, who's to say DeShameless isn't taking his own share of big pharma cash? 

But I think the real issue is Rhonda's Presidential ambitions which requires kissing the backsides of the bible kooks who dream of Trump 2 The Sequel. 

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23 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

Spoken like a dedicated Republican.  :thumbsup:

"Nooooooooo....... Wrong DeShameless is not the politically opportunistic, gutless Trump panderer he shows himself to be in virtually everything he says and does. Nooooooooo...... he's just a good guy who cares about children!!!!"

Puh-lease. <_< 

Look, I'm not saying you're completely off base about big pharma being against legalized weed and using their financial clout to fight it. But I don't think they are the only or even the biggest factor.

And when you consider the money states can make off of taxing it and all the other little opportunities for personal pocket lining that brings with it for lawmakers, big pharma's bribes don't amount to as much as one might assume. 

Plus, who's to say DeShameless isn't taking his own share of big pharma cash? 

But I think the real issue is Rhonda's Presidential ambitions which requires kissing the backsides of the bible kooks who dream of Trump 2 The Sequel. 

that's my point.  you guys are such hypocrites targeting DeSantis when the president and family have so much current real baggage it just goes ignored.

Every politician is corrupt no matter what anyone says. 

Republicans are WORSE than liberals when it comes to sucking on the teat of big pharma.  At least the pot smokers figured holistic stuff out years ago; they're the first to start questioning the system as it is and as it is marketed to everyone.  I know the FDA has shut down certain clinics and/or pharmacies that offered holistic remedies that actually worked.  Why do you think people fly out to CA and drive to Tijuana?

I'm no republican.  I can't even vote in their primaries.  I told you...I voted for Trump to shake the hornet's nest.  He did; it rebelled and tried to destroy him...and "failed" miserably.  But I realized later it was all a game.  The fact they didn't impeach him a second time is part of the proof.  But no one wants to listen.  Rather, feel comfortable in your ignorance and just write this cat off as a "kook."

DeSantis is absolutely politically opportunistic; 100%.  are you kidding?  colleagues of mine tried to get him to grant clemency for an inmate, and he shot it down like a good Republican would, toting the party line.

On the children issue:  yes he panders to his constituents.  But if my kid told me his teach was teaching him or her about sex changes and BS, it would get violent.  Newsflash:  the supermajority of floridians agree with that, including democrats, which means it is without a doubt a 100% legitimate attitude to have as a parent, and stance to take if you re[present those parents; so criticizing him for it is just political bias, and you know it. You don't think it's a big deal? Shoot...inmates in prison will come after you if they find out you committed a crime of any sort involving kids.

Trump 2 will happen only b/c THEY want something passed they THEY think could only pass muster if He was president, not the current "brain dead" liberal socialist capitalist elitist in office (who plays his role perfectly) who has been in DC since the 1970's. 

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5 hours ago, jrs2 said:

that's my point.  you guys are such hypocrites targeting DeSantis when the president and family have so much current real baggage it just goes ignored.

Every politician is corrupt no matter what anyone says. 

Republicans are WORSE than liberals when it comes to sucking on the teat of big pharma.  At least the pot smokers figured holistic stuff out years ago; they're the first to start questioning the system as it is and as it is marketed to everyone.  I know the FDA has shut down certain clinics and/or pharmacies that offered holistic remedies that actually worked.  Why do you think people fly out to CA and drive to Tijuana?

I'm no republican.  I can't even vote in their primaries.  I told you...I voted for Trump to shake the hornet's nest.  He did; it rebelled and tried to destroy him...and "failed" miserably.  But I realized later it was all a game.  The fact they didn't impeach him a second time is part of the proof.  But no one wants to listen.  Rather, feel comfortable in your ignorance and just write this cat off as a "kook."

DeSantis is absolutely politically opportunistic; 100%.  are you kidding?  colleagues of mine tried to get him to grant clemency for an inmate, and he shot it down like a good Republican would, toting the party line.

On the children issue:  yes he panders to his constituents.  But if my kid told me his teach was teaching him or her about sex changes and BS, it would get violent.  Newsflash:  the supermajority of floridians agree with that, including democrats, which means it is without a doubt a 100% legitimate attitude to have as a parent, and stance to take if you re[present those parents; so criticizing him for it is just political bias, and you know it. You don't think it's a big deal? Shoot...inmates in prison will come after you if they find out you committed a crime of any sort involving kids.

Trump 2 will happen only b/c THEY want something passed they THEY think could only pass muster if He was president, not the current "brain dead" liberal socialist capitalist elitist in office (who plays his role perfectly) who has been in DC since the 1970's. 

I'm sorry, but your political ranting is always too scattershot to respond to. 

You're just all over the place, bouncing around like a ping pong ball from one issue to another, without really saying anything about anything.

My recommendation would be to figure out what you want to talk about, then type out your thoughts in random order in some other text editor.

Then arrange and connect them together into some semblance of order.

Maybe add to or subtract from them until you end up with a clear, concise narrative. 

That having been said, you calling us Biden supporters hypocrites for knocking the current slimy slug up in Tallahassee, while we're supposedly ignoring some right-wing conspiracies regarding Biden's family, is just incomprehensible.

After four years of the right totally ignoring the high crimes and treason of the grifter scum you admit to having had the unfathomably poor judgement to vote for, as well as the questionable actions of his lowlife grifter family, you have no room to finger point at anyone else on that score.

Yadda yadda yadda on the rest of it. 

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11 hours ago, JFW657 said:

I'm sorry, but your political ranting is always too scattershot to respond to. 

You're just all over the place, bouncing around like a ping pong ball from one issue to another, without really saying anything about anything.

My recommendation would be to figure out what you want to talk about, then type out your thoughts in random order in some other text editor.

Then arrange and connect them together into some semblance of order.

Maybe add to or subtract from them until you end up with a clear, concise narrative. 

That having been said, you calling us Biden supporters hypocrites for knocking the current slimy slug up in Tallahassee, while we're supposedly ignoring some right-wing conspiracies regarding Biden's family, is just incomprehensible.

After four years of the right totally ignoring the high crimes and treason of the grifter scum you admit to having had the unfathomably poor judgement to vote for, as well as the questionable actions of his lowlife grifter family, you have no room to finger point at anyone else on that score.

Yadda yadda yadda on the rest of it. 

I was trying to cover too many subjects at one time; didn't take my meds.

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3 hours ago, jrs2 said:

I was trying to cover too many subjects at one time; didn't take my meds.

I wasn't trying to be snarky, but I just can't spend the time and effort required to address each point in those types of marathon posts.

But don't worry, you're far from the only one who does that.

I've been arguing politics and current events since the early, AOL  days of the internet and I've done it myself and seen it done countless times.

But anyway, it occurred to me some years ago, that the best way to compose a long, involved post that covers a lot of ground, is to use a notepad or WordPad type text editor, take my time, get my thoughts down, then go back and clean it up. Move sentences and paragraphs around to where they make the whole thing flow better, etc.

Then just copy/paste it in.

But the main thing I figured out is that there's no hurry. 

Usually, if I'm responding to something that got my back up a bit, I find it's best to wait awhile until I'm cooled off a bit. 

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On 9/27/2022 at 1:30 PM, jrs2 said:

you can grow your own in MI with a license.  hence, it all comes down to the govt. being able to make money off of it.

And, marijuana is notorious for use in pain management and mental health management.  Now do you really think a politician in a vacuum will nix recreational MJ without lobbying from big pharma being involved?  follow the money.

so instead of focusing on a guy that listened to parents that said stay the F out of our kids' heads in the classroom, maybe focus on big pharma as the cancer that dictates a lot of policy in this country when it comes to medicine, you know, the same medicine that only "treats" cancer until you're broke or dead, and the same big pharma that has everyone dancing compliancy jigs like good little court jesters following their heroes who make TV public displays of sticking needles in their arms.

It is more a hold over of older evangelicals that think marijuana is the devil's weed. The majority of the party does not agree but a small group of influential people have the governor's ear. 

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On 9/27/2022 at 11:13 AM, jrs2 said:

is it un-churchly to get political? 

you're a tough nut to crack.  you preach a Good message.  what does "leans progressive" mean?

I have a colleague that broke off from the main Pres church and joined the one on Lake Highland.  He had told me they allowed gay pastors as the major difference.  

It can lead you down a dangerous path. Politics poisons everything. Besides, deeply religious people have always said that their goal is to get themselves and as many people as possible into the kingdom of heaven. Politics will never fulfill your life like a strong relationship with God. 

One of the worst mistakes religious leaders made was tying themselves to one party. God does not care about tax rates, school vouchers, CRT, etc. 

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On 9/27/2022 at 11:13 AM, jrs2 said:

is it un-churchly to get political? 

you're a tough nut to crack.  you preach a Good message.  what does "leans progressive" mean?

I have a colleague that broke off from the main Pres church and joined the one on Lake Highland.  He had told me they allowed gay pastors as the major difference.  

Pres Church USA I believe leans progressive. First Pres is decidedly not. Park Lake Pres (near Lake Highland) is one of the most progressive mainline churches in town (the Faith Arts Village is theirs).

Generally, a progressive church follows the actual teachings of Christ. The more conservative churches act a lot like the Pharisees, who Jesus didn’t have much use for.

Gandhi liked to say “I like your Jesus, your Christians not so much”.

A more simple philosophy if you don’t like organized religion: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.

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2 hours ago, jack said:

It can lead you down a dangerous path. Politics poisons everything. Besides, deeply religious people have always said that their goal is to get themselves and as many people as possible into the kingdom of heaven. Politics will never fulfill your life like a strong relationship with God. 

One of the worst mistakes religious leaders made was tying themselves to one party. God does not care about tax rates, school vouchers, CRT, etc. 

Christian Nationalism.

The new home for kooks, zealots and the low educated.   

And one of the biggest dangers to democracy that exists today. 

Give them enough of a chance, and they will become the American Christian version of the Ayatollahs in Iran. 

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I recently posted about how Brevard Rep. Randy Fine decided to declare war on Drag Story Time at a Melbourne Pride event (they read kids’ books and do nothing that isn’t age-appropriate during the events).

I got to thinking about what a short memory Randy has. In the 1950’s, when life was perfect if you happened to be a straight white male, who ruled early television? Why, it was Uncle Miltie on NBC’s Texaco Star Theater! A primary component of the show was Uncle Miltie - in drag! What I didn’t know was actor Milton Berle carried on with his shtick well into the Batman era of the ‘60’s.

Oddly, Berle was rabidly homophobic so I guess that makes it OK for Randy…

http://everydayheterosexism.blogspot.com/2013/07/milton-berle-televisions-first-drag.html

While we’re on the subject of drag in polite society, let’s also not forget about “Bosom Buddies”, the 1980’s ABC sitcom (produced by the “Happy Days” stable) that helped launch the careers of Tom Hanks and Peter Scolari.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosom_Buddies

It seems Randy and his MAGAt friends really do need a life…
 

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On 9/28/2022 at 4:34 PM, JFW657 said:

Christian Nationalism.

The new home for kooks, zealots and the low educated.   

And one of the biggest dangers to democracy that exists today. 

Give them enough of a chance, and they will become the American Christian version of the Ayatollahs in Iran. 

if that's the new home, then what's the old home?

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On 9/28/2022 at 2:21 PM, jack said:

It can lead you down a dangerous path. Politics poisons everything. Besides, deeply religious people have always said that their goal is to get themselves and as many people as possible into the kingdom of heaven. Politics will never fulfill your life like a strong relationship with God. 

One of the worst mistakes religious leaders made was tying themselves to one party. God does not care about tax rates, school vouchers, CRT, etc. 

it is by design and planned that way.

They are all role players.  Just like a politician that opens his or her mouth; all it takes is one phrase or word to polarize people; and as a result the country is split more or less right down the middle, with slight variances.

The Religious Establishment is part of it, and so is the atheistic Left.  Believe me when I tell you, just because someone aligns with the Religious Right doesn't mean he or she believes in God.

Politics isn't poison.  it is the framework through which our system of control operates (at least on the surface).

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Awesome endorsements by the Sentinel, especially of Carlos G. Smith and also of Johanna Lopez. As usual, the GOP opposition in these districts are little more than ciphers:

Endorsement: Carlos Guillermo Smith, Johanna Lopez for Florida House | Editorial
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/endorsements/os-op-edit-endorsement-house-district-37-43-20221004-5wmo6hldlnctfdfegecee3q5ga-story.html

On Smith:

”Among Central Florida politicians, few are as well-known or well-liked as State Rep. Carlos Guillermo Smith. Credit that to the Orlando Democrat’s insistence on working across the aisle to build consensus, even as he remains steadfast to the principles he shares with the voters of his district: Human rights, economic fairness and better access to housing, public education and health care.”

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1 minute ago, orange87 said:

Herschel Walker, who supports a total abortion ban, apparently paid for an abortion for one of his many girlfriends in 2009. Walker has also tried to paint himself as a "family man," but his children paint a very different picture of him, saying he was an abusive and violent deadbeat.

Meanwhile, Marjorie Taylor Greene is in a messy divorce. Her soon to be ex-husband now says he wants all divorce documents to be made public so everyone can see how unhinged she is.

Family Values! When it comes to hypocrisy, no one does it better than GQP.

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3 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

It’s OK - as @jrs2can attest, Herschel was a very big deal in Jacksonville for several years running…

His football days may be long over, but with some of the shockingly stupid things he says, I think he maybe should go back to wearing a helmet.

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3 hours ago, orange87 said:

His football days may be long over, but with some of the shockingly stupid things he says, I think he maybe should go back to wearing a helmet.

politicians, my friend... everything they do and say is scripted.  the sooner we all acknowledge this the sooner we can get on with our lives.

ever listen to Rush? 

"all the world to me a stage,

and we are mere-ly play-ers,

per-form-ers and por-tray-ers,

each a-no-ther's au-di-ence..." 

it comes from the song "Limelight."

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5 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

politicians, my friend... everything they do and say is scripted.  the sooner we all acknowledge this the sooner we can get on with our lives.

ever listen to Rush? 

"all the world to me a stage,

and we are mere-ly play-ers,

per-form-ers and por-tray-ers,

each a-no-ther's au-di-ence..." 

it comes from the song "Limelight."

Perhaps that’s part of your disconnect. Rush jammed every politician into a convenient box or two for his purposes. He had no interest in separating the good from the bad. The fact he was a bad human being required him to believe everyone else was also.

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43 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

Perhaps that’s part of your disconnect. Rush jammed every politician into a convenient box or two for his purposes. He had no interest in separating the good from the bad. The fact he was a bad human being required him to believe everyone else was also.

I think it was a different "Rush".

 

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15 hours ago, AmIReal said:

I think it was a different "Rush".

 

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16 hours ago, jrs2 said:

politicians, my friend... everything they do and say is scripted.  the sooner we all acknowledge this the sooner we can get on with our lives.

ever listen to Rush? 

"all the world to me a stage,

and we are mere-ly play-ers,

per-form-ers and por-tray-ers,

each a-no-ther's au-di-ence..." 

it comes from the song "Limelight."

The problem with Walker is he does not know any of the main issues and appears to never has though about it until now. You see this with celebrity candidates that get famous over one or two issues. Once they run for office, you can see how shallow they are with knowledge. 

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3 minutes ago, jack said:

The most popular libertarian musicians ever! 

The problem with Walker is he does not know any of the main issues and appears to never has though about it until now. You see this with celebrity candidates that get famous over one or two issues. Once they run for office, you can see how shallow they are with knowledge. 

The problem isn’t with Herschel. The problem is with the GQP actively recruiting and supporting a candidate who has none of the qualifications a senator should have.

One has to give the Repubs credit, though - they found someone even less qualified to be a senator than Tommy Tuberville, and that would have seemed impossible if they hadn’t dug up Herschel.

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18 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

Perhaps that’s part of your disconnect. Rush jammed every politician into a convenient box or two for his purposes. He had no interest in separating the good from the bad. The fact he was a bad human being required him to believe everyone else was also.

RUSH the band, my friend, not Limbaugh...he's douchy.

2 hours ago, jack said:

The most popular libertarian musicians ever! 

The problem with Walker is he does not know any of the main issues and appears to never has though about it until now. You see this with celebrity candidates that get famous over one or two issues. Once they run for office, you can see how shallow they are with knowledge. 

true, but every one of these guys (or gals) has their respective "handlers."  they are told what to say and how to say it, even if it makes them appear to be shallow.

18 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

Perhaps that’s part of your disconnect. Rush jammed every politician into a convenient box or two for his purposes. He had no interest in separating the good from the bad. The fact he was a bad human being required him to believe everyone else was also.

it takes one to know one, right?  But don't you think it could also possibly be that when your eyes are open, you see what's really going on? I mean it's not that far of a stretch.  politics is business.  don't shoot the messenger.

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