GreenTree Parramore Development

[shardoon]

How realistic is this?

http://www.growthspotter.com/news/downtown-orlando-developments/gs-greentree-readies-plan-for-300m-infill-redevelopment-next-to-amway-center-20180912-story.html#nt=oft13a-2gp1

[klstorey]

I'll believe it when it opens. Right now, this seems right up there with the Vertical Medical City and the I-Drive megamall as possible but I'm not holding my breath. 

[orange87]

2 hours ago, klstorey said:

I'll believe it when it opens. Right now, this seems right up there with the Vertical Medical City and the I-Drive megamall as possible but I'm not holding my breath. 

I think I heard the I-Drive mega mall got canceled.

[prahaboheme]

I think it’s viable if for no other reason than the renderings appear to have Orlando’s signature architectural feature - the visor!

Edited September 18, 2018 by prahaboheme

[orange87]

Could you imagine if this GreenTree project, Orlando Magic Entertainment Complex and Creative Village all get built? West of I-4 will be vertical and dense enough to where when you drive on I-4, you'll feel like you're driving THROUGH downtown Orlando, not simply driving past it.

[ucfpatriot18]

IMHO - I say there is a 25% chance of this being built.  Many times developers create these proposals to increase the perceived land value and this may be one of those situations.  

[dcluley98]

I'd say there is a 100% chance of this not being built as shown. There is a very likely chance something will be built there. There is a very unlikely chance it will be built as shown on preliminary "best-case" build-out water-color renderings. This is marketing fodder to secure backing, not what it will look like in the end. (see: all other projects ever built)

Edited September 18, 2018 by dcluley98

[shardoon]

They interviewed the owner in Growthspotter and he said he would dream for the 28 story tower to be built, but he also needs to be realistic. I think another apartment style complex that is across the street will eventually get built. If he is smart, he would sit on the land until the Magic complex gets built. 

[IAmFloridaBorn]

There won't be a 28 story tower. That was before the Orlando Magic's development.

Here is a more realistic massing of the project.

 

Not sure how many of you read the article. Highest building would be 15 stories.
They have been in talks with Orlando Magic which is why Orlando Magic re-did their heights and sq ft too.

[Bridget]

Isn’t this the same imposter developer facing multiple lawsuits alleging fraud and who Windermere project was auctioned off? Company or developer doesn’t sound creditable. 

[popsiclebrandon]

4 hours ago, Bridget said:

Isn’t this the same imposter developer facing multiple lawsuits alleging fraud and who Windermere project was auctioned off? Company or developer doesn’t sound creditable. 

Yes this was never going to happen and it never will as Tim Green Jr is a fraud.

[Bridget]

I heard about the developer also and possible fraud that has effected multiple parramore properties some now facing foreclosure.  

[JFW657]

On 9/17/2018 at 11:57 AM, shardoon said:

How realistic is this?

About as realistic as the "Screen Door On A Submarine" development.   

[popsiclebrandon]

3 hours ago, Bridget said:

I heard about the developer also and possible fraud that has effected multiple parramore properties some now facing foreclosure.  

Yea he scammed some old people into signing docs that put them on loans for him. Pretty insane overall. Also these people are dumb to sign them but its definitely more his fault.

[codypet]

12 hours ago, JFW657 said:

About as realistic as the "Screen Door On A Submarine" development.   

You just need Flex Seal!

[HankStrong]

On ‎12‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 8:30 AM, codypet said:

You just need Flex Seal!

Or new Flex Seal CLEAR!  For optimum viewing pleasure.

[AmIReal]

According to OBJ they still plan to build this...

https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2022/04/15/developer-of-planned-parramore-mixed-use-towers.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_11&cx_artPos=1#cxrecs_s

"That first phase would include two towers — one a 12- to 14-story hotel at the corner of Jackson Street and Terry Avenue, and the other a 16-story affordable housing project for seniors directly east of the first one. A second phase would include market rate apartments and retail."

"The 78,000-square-foot hotel is planned to be an Element-branded Marriott Hotel with a 5,000-square-foot rooftop restaurant space filled by 534 Scratch Kitchen."

They also plan retail on Terry and converting the old church into a gift shop

There is also mention that this project would be in lieu of DXV at Central and Division, but doesn't explain why DXV is cancelled.

 

[IAmFloridaBorn]

50 minutes ago, AmIReal said:

According to OBJ they still plan to build this...

https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2022/04/15/developer-of-planned-parramore-mixed-use-towers.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_11&cx_artPos=1#cxrecs_s

"That first phase would include two towers — one a 12- to 14-story hotel at the corner of Jackson Street and Terry Avenue, and the other a 16-story affordable housing project for seniors directly east of the first one. A second phase would include market rate apartments and retail."

"The 78,000-square-foot hotel is planned to be an Element-branded Marriott Hotel with a 5,000-square-foot rooftop restaurant space filled by 534 Scratch Kitchen."

They also plan retail on Terry and converting the old church into a gift shop

There is also mention that this project would be in lieu of DXV at Central and Division, but doesn't explain why DXV is cancelled.

 

This along with Orlando Magic development aren't happening anytime soon. But, sounds good. 

[popsiclebrandon]

Seriously why do we keep doing this OBJ?

 

Tim Green goes to trial in 2 weeks for his 2 felonies of burglary and criminal mischief, was recently found guilty of criminal mischief and trespassing (part of separate domestic violence case), the city cited him for operating without license,  just lost a $91k judgement against him, has 2 companies in bankruptcy that last attempted to do real estate deals in Parramore. He has one with a $2 mill foreclosure on it. And there are like 4 more other cases pending against him. He is never going to build anything, lets stop with this insane stuff.

[nite owℓ]

On 4/15/2022 at 3:25 PM, AmIReal said:

They also plan retail on Terry and converting the old church into a gift shop

Unless something changed, the article says it would be converted into a cafe and museum... that's actually not so bad. More people would be able to use and appreciate the space.

I'm a huge fan of adaptive reuse because it offers unique, outside of the box architecture that we would not otherwise get in today's value engineered, low-middle class markets. I always envisioned turning that Gothic Parramore church into a residential loft -- maybe 2 side-by-side units could reasonably work. I also envisioned a residential redevelopment for the other neglected church property now known as Samsara before it was converted. Either way, I'm glad both properties are getting a second life.

Edited April 17, 2022 by nite owℓ

[RobbyK]

Timothy Leon Green Jr. 

Google  'Orange County Clerk Search' and search for Timothy Green.

He is a professional Conman.  He runs a Ponzi scheme where he creates projects, finds investors, offers them 'shares', takes their money, and never builds the projects. He uses the money he stole from one person to fund his lawsuits against the prior people.  

Look up information on Summer18. He started building the project without city approval and was forced to stop. The warehouse is half finished now and they can't rent it out to anyone without spending a bunch of money to rip apart everything that was partly built. The Cowherd family who own the property have a dud warehouse now. 

He was sued for 534 Scratch Kitchen and forced to give up ownership. Look up the PPP loan 534 took out before being forced to relinquish ownership of the restaurant. Stating the payroll was $2 million dollars a year. The restaurants tax filings state they made $800k in revenue with 50% profit. What restaurant makes 50% profit? Most restaurants are happy to make 14%. He got a $418k PPP loan from the government (So he's not only stealing from investors, but the government now).  Meanwhile employees weren't getting paid and those who did were given fake W2's. Tim was even skimming money on employee taxes. He took the money to pay his lawsuits, foreclosures, and bankruptcies.

He was forced out of Night Shade Lounge for embezzlement and conversion. 

Gatsby, the club he opened down the street was closed and he was evicted. I personally spoke to the landlord a couple weeks back and he said Tim stole all of the investors money and didn't even finish construction. He wasn't even paying his light bill or rent. 

He opens about 3-4 new companies a year on Sunbiz and uses them as fronts. If you do a thorough search, you will find he has opened 20-30 businesses, none that have any footprint on the internet.

He is currently operating under 'Parramore Development Group' but has no employees, no business footprint, nothing. He just posts stolen photos of other peoples projects on instagram and pretends he is a developer. 

Tim Green is currently on Felony Probation for threatening to have a woman murdered by gang members for $25k and child endangerment. If you don't believe me, search it, you can see the court papers online. 

If anyone believes Tim is a real developer, ask yourself... What projects has he successfully built where he wasn't sued for? I can't think of one. 

The reason he is trying to build these towers is to steal the government grants. He will disappear with it by paying fake shell businesses he owns during construction.

 

https://ibb.co/y89GFJh
https://ibb.co/2MsTTcv
https://ibb.co/zNvPY2m
https://ibb.co/jfsHJVR

Here's some proof. (links load a bit slow)

[HankStrong]

Wow.  I thought AMT (the maglev people ) were bad.  They don't come close to touching that.

[bqknight]

1 hour ago, RobbyK said:

Timothy Leon Green Jr. 

Google  'Orange County Clerk Search' and search for Timothy Green.

He is a professional Conman.  He runs a Ponzi scheme where he creates projects, finds investors, offers them 'shares', takes their money, and never builds the projects. He uses the money he stole from one person to fund his lawsuits against the prior people.  

Look up information on Summer18. He started building the project without city approval and was forced to stop. The warehouse is half finished now and they can't rent it out to anyone without spending a bunch of money to rip apart everything that was partly built. The Cowherd family who own the property have a dud warehouse now. 

He was sued for 534 Scratch Kitchen and forced to give up ownership. Look up the PPP loan 534 took out before being forced to relinquish ownership of the restaurant. Stating the payroll was $2 million dollars a year. The restaurants tax filings state they made $800k in revenue with 50% profit. What restaurant makes 50% profit? Most restaurants are happy to make 14%. He got a $418k PPP loan from the government (So he's not only stealing from investors, but the government now).  Meanwhile employees weren't getting paid and those who did were given fake W2's. Tim was even skimming money on employee taxes. He took the money to pay his lawsuits, foreclosures, and bankruptcies.

He was forced out of Night Shade Lounge for embezzlement and conversion. 

Gatsby, the club he opened down the street was closed and he was evicted. I personally spoke to the landlord a couple weeks back and he said Tim stole all of the investors money and didn't even finish construction. He wasn't even paying his light bill or rent. 

He opens about 3-4 new companies a year on Sunbiz and uses them as fronts. If you do a thorough search, you will find he has opened 20-30 businesses, none that have any footprint on the internet.

He is currently operating under 'Parramore Development Group' but has no employees, no business footprint, nothing. He just posts stolen photos of other peoples projects on instagram and pretends he is a developer. 

Tim Green is currently on Felony Probation for threatening to have a woman murdered by gang members for $25k and child endangerment. If you don't believe me, search it, you can see the court papers online. 

If anyone believes Tim is a real developer, ask yourself... What projects has he successfully built where he wasn't sued for? I can't think of one. 

The reason he is trying to build these towers is to steal the government grants. He will disappear with it by paying fake shell businesses he owns during construction.

 

https://ibb.co/y89GFJh
https://ibb.co/2MsTTcv
https://ibb.co/zNvPY2m
https://ibb.co/jfsHJVR

Here's some proof. (links load a bit slow)

Honest question - how are people able to do this? Do the investors not do any due diligence prior to investing money?

[RobbyK]

Just now, bqknight said:

Honest question - how are people able to do this? Do the investors not do any due diligence prior to investing money?

I've spent 6 months unearthing this information for a client. All of this wasn't easy to find.

He hides behind layers of 'legitimacy' like the article posted a few posts up. Those articles fill up google search history and investors will think 'wow, he's building high rises, helping the community. This is a man I want to invest in.' 

His main focus is on up and coming investors or people susceptible to persuasion (elderly, girlfriends, small business owners, etc) so they don't have the experience required to dig deep beyond the fluff. These articles like the one posted above are exactly what he wants. It states nothing but the intent of the project. No information on Tim Green himself. 

When a business is jeopardized, he opens other ones. The business names he uses are generic enough where there are hundreds of others with a similar name. 

Let me show you an example. 

Go Green Home Builders LLC - A very recent company he just started. The company is a front... No footprint, no information, no existence whatsoever. But if you google the name, you will get many 'hits' very similar to it.  You can even try googling the actual name of the company and you won't find it unless you dive deep looking for his other businesses that are connected. 

https://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquiryType=DocumentNumber&aggregateId=flal-l21000535200-f29984a1-5729-4235-ad94-0de51c508093&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=GOGREENHOMEBUILDERS L210005352000&searchTerm=L21000535200

He is deliberate. He has been doing this for a very long time.

[RobbyK]

https://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=VENUE2325 L210004809250&aggregateId=flal-l21000480925-8f146da0-5dee-41ef-9955-56efe61c6d8e&searchTerm=venue 23&listNameOrder=VENUE2325 L210004809250

Here is another recently created shell company. The Venue 23/25

If you google it, you will most likely find venues with booking dates on the 23 or 25. The company gets to hide itself and he can use these to take in 'investor money'.

Suing him will take so long to find the head of the snake, that the money required will deplete these small business owners or up and coming investors.