389 North (AKA Zoi House) | 41-Story Mixed-Use [Proposed]

[spenser1058]

TBH, I want to say that building goes back to the ‘50’s and was either retail, office or both before the redo.

IIRC and this is without researching, I think prior to that there was a hotel along there that was torn down. Again, I’m trying to remember the name of it. 

[orange87]

1 minute ago, JFW657 said:

And btw, he doesn't inject "liberal bs" into "almost every one of his posts".

Are you his public relations spokesperson now?

[JFW657]

Just now, orange87 said:

Why are there political posts in a skyscraper forum at all?

It was a harmless comment. Not worth getting into an argument over.

Just now, orange87 said:

Are you his public relations spokesperson now?

Depends on how much he pays and what the hours are.

And whether or not I have to do a lot of driving around in my own car.

I'd need a company car.

[spenser1058]

Aha! I want to say it may have been the Hotel Fort Gatlin , although it may have been further up the street where the Sentinel is.

If it was, WDBO radio was once located there before they moved to their cute little deco spot up by Lake Ivanhoe that was sadly demolished as well.

Edited January 23, 2019 by spenser1058

[dcluley98]

Doing some research on Hotel Fort Gatlin, it was apparently at "545 North Orange Avenue" which would be the location of the current Sentinel Building north of the courthouse. It did indeed house the radio station: 

     

 

Doing some more digging, there is some very interesting history at the corner of Orange and Livingston. So apparently, a public transportation Orlando Railway Streetcar ran down Orange Avenue in 1886 directly past this location, and on the corner was a Downtown Grocery Store!  Funny how things change and still yet remain the same over a 100 years later. Here's some info on the streetcar and some photos of the corner. So Cool!

http://dc.ocls.info/memory/image/orlando-street-railway-pocket-history-orlando-florida
http://dc.ocls.info/memory/image/orlando-street-railway-open-street-car-orange-and-livingston

    

Edited January 23, 2019 by dcluley98

[spenser1058]

What’s interesting is I can remember things on the other side of Orange Avenue during that time (like Orange Buick), but the east side is just a big memory hole.

Of course, my actual memory of things I saw just goes back to the ‘60’s. It’s probably safe to say whatever was along that stretch was a place we never went and was of little interest to an elementary school kid.

[AndyPok1]

3 hours ago, orange87 said:

Why are there political posts in a skyscraper forum at all?

Here's the thing.  This *ISNT* a skyscraper forum.  That's why I made the comment about height in another thread.  If that's all you care about, go over to SSC.

This is an urbanism forum.  There will always be a tinge of politics.  I've lived in urban areas my entire life because it is something I care deeply about.  I went to an advisory board meeting to discuss street level activity.  I reach out to various people about projects because they impact my life.  I actively berate my friends for living in Unincorporated Orange County solely to save 2% on property tax.  So yes, how people vote and decisions politicians make are VASTLY important to urbanism.

 Yes, I think spenser can inject his beliefs a bit too often when not needed.  We have talked about it in private message and both grown from it as we attempt to grow this little Orlando forum.  And this example, while being unneeded, was not inflammatory in any way, unlike your response.

Anyway, guessing by the 87, we're the same age.  Next time you're in the core, send me a note and we'll grab a beer and discuss our differences.

[dcluley98]

Well, I tried. 

Edited January 24, 2019 by dcluley98

[dcluley98]

Just talking into the wind now, but interesting to see in the old photos, the old Florida Sand Pine terrain.  Some of these old photos show the sand over limestone foundation that would create a pine barren around the location of our current downtown city-scape and maybe some tall growth Florida Cypress-stands near more abundant sources of water.  

With more fertile lands around the lakes and in surrounding pasture and grovelands, I would think we would see more natural Floridian deciduous trees such as live-oak, cypress, and hickory.

The swampy trees such as cypress, willow, myrtles, and  ferns also appear in low-lying  areas near water sources as well as standard pine-scrub palmettos and cabbage palms in their native terrain. 

What is missing to me, being a coastal boy, is the mangrove ecosystem and the Florida scrub ecosystem that I know from where I grew up.

I know everybody knows and love palm trees and oak trees, but the White Mangrove, the Scrub Palmetto, the Saw Palmetto, and the Scrub Oak (more of a shrub than a tree) are what I would say are my native plants that I have known through my childhood and are distinct and unique to my area.   

Interestingly enough, there are a few plants , trees and animals that are unique to us, and only grow in our state. Florida panthers, scrub jays, sand skinks, gopher tortoise, etc. are all only ours, and of course, fantastic.  

The Florida Torreya Forrest is amazing to see in real life:  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torreya_taxifolia

Payne's Prarie  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paynes_Prairie_Preserve_State_Park
and the Everglades are pretty much their own eco-systems. 

Florida Caverns and Sinkhole Springs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Caverns_State_Park

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_Waters_State_Park

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_Millhopper_Geological_State_Park

Wekiwa, Blue, Ginnie, Weeki Wachee, High, White, Silver, Rainbow, Rock Bluff, Lithea, Cypress, Ichetuknee, or DeLeon, etc. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_springs_in_Florida

 

The Florida Reef and its own ecosystem: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Reef

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pennekamp_Coral_Reef_State_Park

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_Tortugas

And, of course, the Everglades and 10,000 Islands. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everglades

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Thousand_Islands

There are so many things in this state that people do not know about yet or notice in everyday life, but so much depth to find and enjoy. 

Edited January 24, 2019 by dcluley98

[dcluley98]

Well sorry,
That had nothing to do with the topic thread, but Zoi means life, so hopefully, you all found some interesting perspectives on life by learning about the different forms of life that exist in our State, as well as the varied natural habitat. 

Take a moment to appreciate life, and look around to see what is unique and special around us all the time! 

Carry on. . . 

Edited January 24, 2019 by dcluley98

[spenser1058]

3 hours ago, dcluley98 said:

Just talking into the wind now, but interesting to see in the old photos, the old Florida Sand Pine terrain.  Some of these old photos show the sand over limestone foundation that would create a pine barren around the location of our current downtown city-scape and maybe some tall growth Florida Cypress-stands near more abundant sources of water.  

With more fertile lands around the lakes and in surrounding pasture and grovelands, I would think we would see more natural Floridian deciduous trees such as live-oak, cypress, and hickory.

The swampy trees such as cypress, willow, myrtles, and  ferns also appear in low-lying  areas near water sources as well as standard pine-scrub palmettos and cabbage palms in their native terrain. 

What is missing to me, being a coastal boy, is the mangrove ecosystem and the Florida scrub ecosystem that I know from where I grew up.

I know everybody knows and love palm trees and oak trees, but the White Mangrove, the Scrub Palmetto, the Saw Palmetto, and the Scrub Oak (more of a shrub than a tree) are what I would say are my native plants that I have known through my childhood and are distinct and unique to my area.   

Interestingly enough, there are a few plants , trees and animals that are unique to us, and only grow in our state. Florida panthers, scrub jays, sand skinks, gopher tortoise, etc. are all only ours, and of course, fantastic.  

The Florida Torreya Forrest is amazing to see in real life:  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torreya_taxifolia

Payne's Prarie  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paynes_Prairie_Preserve_State_Park
and the Everglades are pretty much their own eco-systems. 

Florida Caverns and Sinkhole Springs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Caverns_State_Park

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_Waters_State_Park

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_Millhopper_Geological_State_Park

Wekiwa, Blue, Ginnie, Weeki Wachee, High, White, Silver, Rainbow, Rock Bluff, Lithea, Cypress, Ichetuknee, or DeLeon, etc. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_springs_in_Florida

 

The Florida Reef and its own ecosystem: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Reef

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pennekamp_Coral_Reef_State_Park

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_Tortugas

And, of course, the Everglades and 10,000 Islands. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everglades

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Thousand_Islands

There are so many things in this state that people do not know about yet or notice in everyday life, but so much depth to find and enjoy. 

Woohoo! dcluley has gone Full Geek! I love it. Charge On, buddy !

Edited January 24, 2019 by spenser1058

[NJBlake]

18 hours ago, JFW657 said:

I didn't know it before, but according to the article, they'll have to demo the building next door that houses Fratelli's restaurant, too.

Sucks that we have to lose yet another one in order to get a new scraper.

Where were these developers when the Golden Sparrow/Central Station parcel was still just sitting there looking for love?

That legit makes me want to cry. I eat at Fratelli's on a weekly basis. It has the closest to the tri-state area style local pizzeria feel in the city. 

[JFW657]

39 minutes ago, NJBlake said:

That legit makes me want to cry. I eat at Fratelli's on a weekly basis. It has the closest to the tri-state area style local pizzeria feel in the city. 

I feel ya, bro. But the restaurant can relocate and reopen.

Once the building is gone, it's gone.

If this project goes up as planned it will be expensive in terms of things lost.

IOW, said building and the big old oak behind it.

[spenser1058]

5 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

I feel ya, bro. But the restaurant can relocate and reopen.

Once the building is gone, it's gone.

If this project goes up as planned it will be expensive in terms of things lost.

IOW, said building and the big old oak behind it.

SAVE THE TREE!

[Tim3167]

Well this appears to be unpopular opinion time, but if this can get built as promised...knock the building down and then knock the tree down. 

 

I like big old trees but it's not exactly a park there and that building even in Orlando doesn't make me want to save as a gem of an era.

[codypet]

I assume the building's historical significance is that its the site of Lou Pearlman's original NYPD pizza shop, complete with boy band memorabilia and the "Orlando Magic Fat Guy" sitting there eating?

Edited January 24, 2019 by codypet

[nite owℓ]

So what do you guys think of the Zoi House color scheme?

Source: Baker Barrios

 

 

Maybe they can find ways to incorporate elements of purple or blue lighting to mark it as a "liberal refugee" safe haven.

 

[JFW657]

That is one big-ass box it's sitting on. 

[spenser1058]

3 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

That is one big-ass box it's sitting on. 

A big box? It can be a Walmart!

[JFW657]

It could be an entire mall, given it's size.

Edited January 24, 2019 by JFW657

[IAmFloridaBorn]

58 minutes ago, nite owℓ said:

So what do you guys think of the Zoi House color scheme?

Source: Baker Barrios

 

 

Maybe they can find ways to incorporate elements of purple or blue lighting to mark it as a "liberal refugee" safe haven.

 

I'm for it. there is a lot of brown in that immediate area with the courthouse in the Bank building and those little bitty run-down buildings on Orange avenue so I think the color scheme will work out nicely as a good addition

[orange87]

1 hour ago, nite owℓ said:

Maybe they can find ways to incorporate elements of purple or blue lighting to mark it as a "liberal refugee" safe haven.

Orlando is a sanctuary city, so it's already a safe haven for Democrats. 

Edited January 24, 2019 by orange87

[nite owℓ]

4 minutes ago, orange87 said:

Orlando is a sanctuary city, so it's already a safe haven for Democrats.

And yet you seem to enjoy making the trek from the boonies to come visit every so often... guess we're not so bad after all!

[bqknight]

15 minutes ago, IAmFloridaBorn said:

I'm for it. there is a lot of brown in that immediate area with the courthouse in the Bank building and those little bitty run-down buildings on Orange avenue so I think the color scheme will work out nicely as a good addition

Regardless of big box - anyone here would be crazy to not want that building in our city. It's quite pretty. 

[Dale]

4 minutes ago, bqknight said:

Regardless of big box - anyone here would be crazy to not want that building in our city. It's quite pretty. 

But, the one-story building and the tree.