Portman SouthEnd – Hawkins btw Ashton and Sycamore.

[j-man]

I think the covering for the deck will be one of those things that you’ll like better when it’s finished rather than in the process. 

[KJHburg]

I think this building will have the best front door to the Rail Trail of any building along it currently.  Today.  Close up of that parking podium screening.  and I hear that Portman apartment tower will have an awesome rooftop pool with infinity edge! 

[atlrvr]

This permit just got filed:

https://webpermit.mecklenburgcountync.gov/Default.aspx?PossePresentation=Project&PosseObjectId=433005069

First tenant upfit, though certainly the tenant name is a pseudonym.  Contacts are leasing broker and architects at Redline.

Edit:  though certainly if it was the global headquarters of a chocolate factory, i wouldn't be upset at all!  Wonka bars across from the donut vending machine!!

[KJHburg]

8 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

This permit just got filed:

https://webpermit.mecklenburgcountync.gov/Default.aspx?PossePresentation=Project&PosseObjectId=433005069

First tenant upfit, though certainly the tenant name is a pseudonym.  Contacts are leasing broker and architects at Redline.

Edit:  though certainly if it was the global headquarters of a chocolate factory, i wouldn't be upset at all!  Wonka bars across from the donut vending machine!!

Golden Ticket?   maybe someone from the Golden State of California?  Interesting.....  

[Matthew.Brendan]

[Prodev]

15 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Golden Ticket?   maybe someone from the Golden State of California?  Interesting.....  

It says suite 1000 and they do have a retail tenant that is California based, so may be that? 

[Urban Cowboy]

I love this building but I am concerned seeing the deck screening go up. Why not spend the money to paint the parking deck exterior black? Then add the screening over top. Would make such a difference. 

[cltheel.sdl]

This building looks so much better when you can see what's happening on the bottom half.

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

23 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Golden Ticket?   maybe someone from the Golden State of California?  Interesting.....  

Recently Brian Brtalik reprensented Cyxtera in subleasing 60,000 in Dallas, which is unusual for him, he has almost exclusively been in the Charlotte area. Maybe Lumen Technologies ( who acquired Cyxtera) and is currently based in Monroe, LA is looking to move to CLT? Wild speculation, but throwing it out there.

[atlrvr]

Maybe Cedar Fair HQ?

Golden Ticket is annual award for best new amusement park ride each year.

 

[KJHburg]

38 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

Maybe Cedar Fair HQ?

Golden Ticket is annual award for best new amusement park ride each year.

 

that could be it.  I just heard they hired a new Charlotte based exec today CIO I think. 

Cedar Fair - Cedar Fair Hires Ty Tastepe as Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer

Edited September 14, 2021 by KJHburg

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

6 hours ago, atlrvr said:

Maybe Cedar Fair HQ?

Golden Ticket is annual award for best new amusement park ride each year.

 

That makes too much sense…

[KJHburg]

whoever the mystery tenant is they will have a great office building and retail shops and restaurants nearby.  Today. 

also notice they Portman must be rebuilding the rail trail in back of that recording studio.  

[videtur quam contuor]

Small trackhoe on that former pile of red clay which had been there since the project began.

[TheRealClayton]

On 9/15/2021 at 1:05 PM, KJHburg said:

whoever the mystery tenant is they will have a great office building and retail shops and restaurants nearby.  Today. 

also notice they Portman must be rebuilding the rail trail in back of that recording studio.  

 

 

 

That entire section of rail trail is being raised to the level of Portman

[KJHburg]

some glass on the lower  ground level today.   22 story apartment tower will start in March after this building is complete.  

[DMann]

 

[Mgelbach]

[Blue_Devil]

People are comparing this to the 110 East tower, and for me, while there is a big deck (lol) here, the variation at each elevation really breaks up the feel when you are on the rail trail looking at it. The 110 East tower feels like a 23 story flat wall. It is extremely imposing based on the renderings. 

[kermit]

The only thing I see when looking at photos of this building is a massive amount of non-revenue producing space.

[TGIBridays]

18 minutes ago, kermit said:

The only thing I see when looking at photos of this building is a massive amount of non-revenue producing space.

I'm not really familiar with the building codes, is this a product of parking minimums or just the developer feeling like they need to provide them?  From what I can tell the TOD zones have parking maximums, but they can be exceeded by an amount based on some factors.  In my quick search I couldn't tell if there are parking minimums for this zoning (TOD-MO, according to Polaris).  

[JRCLT]

Unfortunately many people think of land use as something that makes revenue and not everything necessarily has to follow a revenue stream. Parks are assets but very rarely do parks ever make revenue. As much as I wish Charlotte could get rid of parking around its core especially…the transportation options to its core and within it (to a lesser extent) are not mature enough to reduce our significant reliance on cars. Therefore, parking decks are necessary for the office commuters…Transit coverage and reliability seem to be a lacking aspect in the Charlotte Area, but really the rest of the Southeast. So until Charlotte has a robust, expansive, well maintained, and reasonable infrastructure for the transit system, these parking decks and more unappealing parking surface lots will be popping up around Charlotte. This project truly does differ from 110 East although. Not only is it set back, but the parking deck itself is better designed to take advantage of its space with courtyards which I’d wish more parking decks would utilize. The space above could house a small urban park or solar panels which I know some decks have EV charging which would provide clean energy to EVs and decrease air pollution. Parking deck/roof top gardens/parks provide a surface that doesn’t absorb as much heat and reduces urban heat islands. Yeah it’s not great…but it is definitely better than whatever that parking deck design is for 110 East.

Edit: Paid Parking Garages do make revenue. Therefore a park wouldn’t be as profitable if any, yet most people would agree that a park depending on the circumstances would be much more of an asset than parking despite the fact the park does not make any revenue for the community. Same goes for the parking deck if privately owned. So it really comes down to aesthetic and value based on other aspects aside from how much money it makes.

Also forgot to mention that I am pretty sure a privately owned parking deck would still need to pay property taxes which technically does make money for the community or the city as a whole…if I’m not mistaken.

[Blue_Devil]

5 minutes ago, JeanClt said:

Unfortunately many people think of land use as something that makes revenue and not everything necessarily has to follow a revenue stream. Parks are assets but very rarely do parks ever make revenue. As much as I wish Charlotte could get rid of parking around its core especially…the transportation options to its core and within it (to a lesser extent) are not mature enough to reduce our significant reliance on cars. Therefore, parking decks are necessary for the office commuters…Transit coverage and reliability seem to be a lacking aspect in the Charlotte Area, but really the rest of the Southeast. So until Charlotte has a robust, expansive, well maintained, and reasonable infrastructure for the transit system, these parking decks and more unappealing parking surface lots will be popping up around Charlotte. This project truly does differ from 110 East although. Not only is it set back, but the parking deck itself is better designed to take advantage of its space with courtyards which I’d wish more parking decks would utilize. The space above could house a small urban park or solar panels which I know some decks have EV charging which would provide clean energy to EVs and decrease air pollution. Parking deck/roof top gardens/parks provide a surface that doesn’t absorb as much heat and reduces urban heat islands. Yeah it’s not great…but it is definitely better than whatever that parking deck design is for 110 East.

I believe this Portman building does a ot of that. the top of the Garage is a park for the building, there are multiple levels of terracing off the garage as well for public spaces. Sycamore gets a massive one on their second story. 

[kermit]

On 9/23/2021 at 10:49 AM, JeanClt said:

Unfortunately many people think of land use as something that makes revenue and not everything necessarily has to follow a revenue stream. Parks are assets but very rarely do parks ever make revenue. As much as I wish Charlotte could get rid of parking around its core especially…the transportation options to its core and within it (to a lesser extent) are not mature enough to reduce our significant reliance on cars. Therefore, parking decks are necessary for the office commuters…Transit coverage and reliability seem to be a lacking aspect in the Charlotte Area, but really the rest of the Southeast. So until Charlotte has a robust, expansive, well maintained, and reasonable infrastructure for the transit system, these parking decks and more unappealing parking surface lots will be popping up around Charlotte. This project truly does differ from 110 East although. Not only is it set back, but the parking deck itself is better designed to take advantage of its space with courtyards which I’d wish more parking decks would utilize. The space above could house a small urban park or solar panels which I know some decks have EV charging which would provide clean energy to EVs and decrease air pollution. Parking deck/roof top gardens/parks provide a surface that doesn’t absorb as much heat and reduces urban heat islands. Yeah it’s not great…but it is definitely better than whatever that parking deck design is for 110 East.

While I don’t entirely disagree with your perspective I feel the need to say:

• Using our lack of transit infrastructure as a rationalization for building more parking is just a means of perpetuating auto culture. We aint gonna fix the problems of auto dependence by saying we are not ready to do it yet. Like having a baby, there is no good time to increase the cost of driving. In addition, it is unlikely Charlotte will ever have a transit infrastructure that will make people feel that transit is a better option than driving, so what is the point in delaying parking restrictions?
• While the Portman garage is setback from Hawkins, it is pushed up against the rail trail. I am pretty confident that traffic on the rail trail exceeds the traffic on Hawkins by a large margin. So should we really think of it as setback? Why are we be thinking about street presence on Hawkins at all???
• I do appreciate the outdoor space efforts on this deck, and its certainly better than most  car storage areas. But this design effort doesn't do anything for the public down  at rail trail level.
• my separate reference to revenue was from the developer's perspective. I’ll bet more than a third of the project’s cost was the deck, but it is unlikely to ever generate a positive cash flow for the owner. The building would have been a much bigger money maker for the developer if they did not have to build parking (tenant preference issues aside). While the deck is generating property tax revenue, its a lower assessment than human space would be.

Edited September 25, 2021 by kermit

[Matthew.Brendan]

DEC has underground parking (I think?), along with the garage under the green. Is there even any other buried parking in Charlotte? /offtopic