Portman SouthEnd – Hawkins btw Ashton and Sycamore.

[FreeOpinions]

7 minutes ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

I know first two are. I've had early renderings with a rooftop deck as well for a while. This  probably has a shot too still. 

 

 

Seeing it from this view I’d take the split bar design and twist it and make an X creating a courtyards in the crutches along the rail trail and South end will have an X marks the spot from an airplane view.  

Would help break up the repetition.  

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, FreeOpinions said:

Seeing it from this view I’d take the split bar design and twist it and make an X creating a courtyards in the crutches along the rail trail and South end will have an X marks the spot from an airplane view.  

Would help break up the repetition.  

and add 40% onto the cost, I do admire the creativity though. I would love something truly iconic, but in today's development and construction cost climate, I'll take a very cool, high quality building, with a great pedestrianscape. Towers like what you describe only happen in top 10 cities in the world, and are home to billionaires, and ultimate high dollar corporations.

Theres been an omnipresent austerity in development present since the last recession.

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[FreeOpinions]

5 minutes ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

and add 40% onto the cost, I do admire the creativity though. I would love something truly iconic, but in today's development and construction cost climate, I'll take a very cool, high quality building, with a great pedestrianscape. Towers like what you describe only happen in top 10 cities in the world, and are home to billionaires, and ultimate high dollar corporations.

I highly doubt your construction estimating abilities.  40%!?  The true metric would be a floor area to skin area ratio calculation.  And the skin is only a small % of total construction costs.   The meat and potatoes are in what you don’t even see, the foundations, structure and MEP.   Changing the office tower footprint would be a 5-10% bump at most!

[Guest]

I highly doubt your construction estimating abilities.  40%!?  The true metric would be a floor area to skin area ratio calculation.  And the skin is only a small % of total construction costs.   The meat and potatoes are in what you don’t even see, the foundations, structure and MEP.   Changing the office tower footprint would be a 5-10% bump at most!

With traditional leasable areas, and floorpans, spaces would have to be very boutique, very expensive and taller. I stand by 40%

 

 

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[FreeOpinions]

11 minutes ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

With traditional leasable areas, and floorpans, spaces would have to be very boutique, very expensive and taller. I stand by 40%

 

 

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No not taller.  Same floor area per floor and same lease depth.   Adding a little more skin though aka perimeter.  Just moving the boxes around.  

Its a fat X not a skinny x, thinking that is why you said boutique. 

I stand by 5-10%

[Guest]

No not taller.  Same floor area per floor and same lease depth.   Adding a little more skin though aka perimeter.  Just moving the boxes around.  

Its a fat X not a skinny x, thinking that is why you said boutique. 

I stand by 5-10%

Dunno, this italics H, sounds way sexier than a X. Also way more efficient.

 

But yea, again, love ideas of things not being boxes

 

 

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[FreeOpinions]

17 minutes ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

Dunno, this italics H, sounds way sexier than a X. Also way more efficient.

 

But yea, again, love ideas of things not being boxes

 

 

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Blast from the past.  Guess that’s why it was called the Xbox.

MS campus Seattle 

 

Someone already beat beat me to the asterisks  too! Copenhagen.

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[Guest]

10 hours ago, FreeOpinions said:

Blast from the past.  Guess that’s why it was called the Xbox

 
Someone already beat beat me to the asterisks  too! Copenhagen.

So you want a panopticon? How post modern.


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10 hours ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

So you want a panopticon? How post modern.



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Those buildings have 50k floorplates easy

 

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[SgtCampsalot]

10 hours ago, FreeOpinions said:

Blast from the past.  Guess that’s why it was called the Xbox.

I liked the original controller better:

 

[KJHburg]

This does look good and here is an article from the Agenda on it.  It does sound like they may start it spec.  

https://www.charlotteagenda.com/164772/2151-hawkins-development-in-south-end-charlotte/

from the Business Journal subscriber article

The developer expects to break ground on the project — at 2151 Hawkins St., next to Sycamore Brewing — in the fourth quarter of this year, with an estimated construction timeline of 20 to 24 months, Garland said.  Garland said current plans call for a building slightly less than 250 feet — around 220 or 225 feet, with nine floors of office that will sit on top of seven floors of parking. The building has a stepped-up design, intended to help transition the building's mass compared to smaller-scale development around the site, Garland said.  Garland said the developer will go speculative on the tower if needed. The plan is to hire a brokerage team and begin actively marketing the tower after the final schematic design is done, likely by the end of this month.""

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2019/04/24/renderings-more-details-on-south-end-office-tower.html

[Sigma]

Size seems about right for LendingTree.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Sigma said:

Size seems about right for LendingTree.

Lending Tree will pick something further along in the process in my opinion. 

[Sigma]

3 minutes ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

Lending Tree will pick something further along in the process in my opinion. 

True, their current leases are set to expire soon, if they're not already month-to-month.

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, Sigma said:

True, their current leases are set to expire soon, if they're not already month-to-month.

With Spectrum increasing their plans by 2 extra floors, I could see them taking one of those buildings.

[JRNYP2C]

From a condo perspective, I would be hesitant to buy on the side facing Sycamore.  I'm thinking weekends in the summer with all the bands and people, that would create a lot of noise.  Not to mention the close quarters.  Parking around there is treacherous - at best for those of us not lucky enough to be close to the Lynx and hop on and off.

[ATL]

On 4/24/2019 at 10:02 AM, CarolinaDaydreamin said:

Seems similar to the Portman Beltline project in Atlanta, which has turned out just as the rendering looks, really handsome. I saw an initial rendering for Atlanta that VERY closely resembled the Ashton/Sycamore rendering.

 

The beltline project is Kroger and Hotel, but it WASN'T value engineered.

Po

This is not a Portman Holdings’ project. It is being done by New City. 

[KJHburg]

On 4/25/2019 at 10:24 PM, ATL said:

This is not a Portman Holdings’ project. It is being done by New City. 

and ironically it still called the Murder Kroger from  past incidents there 

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[tozmervo]

12 hours ago, KJHburg said:

and ironically it still called the Murder Kroger from  past incidents there 

From murdering high prices... right?

[Matthew.Brendan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_Kroger

[FreeOpinions]

Catchy tune

 

[KJHburg]

Read about the Murder Kroger at least 4 people killed or found dead there in Atlanta and it is now has an office built over a Kroger.  (hmm next time I am in town I will drive by but sorry I am not stopping there)

[KJHburg]

who will anchor this building now that Lendingtree has found its home?  Maybe Lowes, maybe a new company to town, maybe a local company looking to expand.....

[Guest]

Filed its UMUD today. Moving forward. 

[Hushpuppy321]

Moving forward and hopefully with the full Height maximum (290’ or 250’?)

[KJHburg]

23 minutes ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

Filed its UMUD today. Moving forward. 

full spec or do they have a tenant on the hook???