Honeywell HQ to Charlotte

[Matthew.Brendan]

 

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I wonder if the United Nations is in play.  Could you imagine how Charlotte, Atlanta, or Dallas could be transformed if the UN moved to one of those cities?

Wow, pass that doobie over this way. 

[Muggsy01]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

Wouldn’t be so sure about finance. Alliance Bernstein moved to Nashville for example. You’re right about media though unfortunately. Would improve quality dramatically if they got out of the NYC/DC bubble and spread across the US. I digress though. 
 

I do think the trend of major companies moving to both the Southeast & Mountain West (think Denver, Salt Lake City) will only increase post-pandemic. Honeywell & AB are the canaries in the coal mine. 
 

It’ll slow once COL evens out but that’s going to take a very long time because from experience, what people in NC consider very expensive is still so cheap. I’m coming from NJ, looking for houses right now (though that’s slowed with the pandemic) and your prices and what you get still blows my mind. Ex: A 400k house in the CLT area is 1 million or more in the NYC area. 

Edited May 19, 2020 by Muggsy01

[SydneyCarton]

25 minutes ago, Muggsy01 said:

Wouldn’t be so sure about finance. Alliance Bernstein moved to Nashville for example. You’re right about media though unfortunately. Would improve quality dramatically if they got out of the NYC/DC bubble and spread across the US. I digress though. 
 

I do think the trend of major companies moving to both the Southeast & Mountain West (think Denver, Salt Lake City) will only increase post-pandemic. Honeywell & AB are the canaries in the coal mine. 
 

It’ll slow once COL evens out but that’s going to take a very long time because from experience, what people in NC consider very expensive is still so cheap. I’m coming from NJ, looking for houses right now (though that’s slowed with the pandemic) and your prices and what you get still blows my mind. Ex: A 400k house in the CLT area is 1 million or more in the NYC area. 

Financial services is never leaving NY.    NY is the global financial hub.  Low and mid-level jobs might be farmed out, but the top jobs will always be in NY.  

In addition, to the UN, could you imagine if Charlotte could lure the NYSE to move to Uptown?  That might shift the balance of power to Charlotte.  It would also result in many cable business networks like Bloomberg and CNBC moving to the QC.  I can just hear Tom Keane saying: "Live from the financial capitals of the world: Charlotte and London!"

P.S.: Alliance Bernstein was a wounded warrior.

 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2020 by SydneyCarton

[Hushpuppy321]

10 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Financial services is never leaving NY.    NY is the global financial hub.  Low and mid-level jobs might be farmed out, but the top jobs will always be in NY.  

In addition, to the UN, could you imagine if Charlotte could lure the NYSE to move to Uptown?  That might shift the balance of power to Charlotte.  It would also result in many cable business networks like Bloomberg and CNBC moving to the QC.  I can just hear Tom Keane saying: "Live from the financial capitals of the world: Charlotte and London!"

P.S.: Alliance Bernstein was a wounded warrior.

 

 

 

Wondering out loud if Metro Government moves in Nashville to slash previously promised Local Incentives will cause them to lose businesses in the next 3 to 5 years like Alliance Bernstein or Amazon.  Charlotte could use either or both companies.

[KJHburg]

9 hours ago, Hushpuppy321 said:

Wondering out loud if Metro Government moves in Nashville to slash previously promised Local Incentives will cause them to lose businesses in the next 3 to 5 years like Alliance Bernstein or Amazon.  Charlotte could use either or both companies.

doubt they will lose those 2 however companies will take note and go elsewhere.  I think Nashville was in the running for this 1500 jobs expansion Microsoft did in Atlanta but it heading to midtown ATL now.  Companies don't like government going back on their agreements. 

[U_R_]

20 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

In addition, to the UN, could you imagine if Charlotte could lure the NYSE to move to Uptown?  That might shift the balance of power to Charlotte.  

I mean NYSE is already under the control of a southern company. 

[SydneyCarton]

3 hours ago, Ric0_0 said:

I mean NYSE is already under the control of a southern company. 

But could you imagine if the NYSE and the United Nations moved to Alpharetta, Ballantyne, or Plano?  It would be amazing.  For that matter, I think that it's entirely possible that with incentives, these NY museums could be taken apart brick by brick and moved down South.  Could you imagine the impact?

 

 

Edited May 20, 2020 by SydneyCarton

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

But could you imagine if the NYSE and the United Nations moved to Alpharetta, Ballantyne, or Plano?  It would be amazing.  For that matter, I think that it's entirely possible that with incentives, these NY museums could be taken apart brick by brick and moved down South.  Could you imagine the impact?

 

 

 

Fixed it for you...

[videtur quam contuor]

I saw the movie of it:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082340/

Also:

 

[SydneyCarton]

47 minutes ago, tarhoosier said:

I saw the movie of it:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082340

 

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Good point.  I wonder if with enough incentives, we could get the Statue of Liberty to relocate.

Edited May 20, 2020 by SydneyCarton

[Rufus]

16 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

Good point.  I wonder if with enough incentives, we could get the Statue of Liberty to relocate.

 

What's your point, here? 

In terms of companies looking to relocate to CLT from major metros, that's been the case for the last two decades. Charlotte, I feel, is finally coming into its own, and it is paying off in dividends, and I truly think that is because of how the city responded during the last recession. There seemed to be greater civic investment and smart design, and it started showing. I don't doubt that even after this pandemic is over, Charlotte is well positioned to reap benefits similar to Honeywell and other great aspects of the city. 

[SydneyCarton]

39 minutes ago, Rufus said:

What's your point, here? 

In terms of companies looking to relocate to CLT from major metros, that's been the case for the last two decades. Charlotte, I feel, is finally coming into its own, and it is paying off in dividends, and I truly think that is because of how the city responded during the last recession. There seemed to be greater civic investment and smart design, and it started showing. I don't doubt that even after this pandemic is over, Charlotte is well positioned to reap benefits similar to Honeywell and other great aspects of the city. 

I'm enjoying a little jest on a rainy day.

Edited May 20, 2020 by SydneyCarton

[KJHburg]

to get back to Honeywell they have 86 jobs open within 25 miles of Charlotte and that may include their Fort Mill operation too.    Honeywell is a great win for Charlotte and will continue to pay off for years and years and hopefully with more local expansions. 

Check them out and you do have to use a mileage range from Charlotte or you get all their openings.

.https://careers.honeywell.com/us/en

[QCxpat]

Today 12:00 noon

Edited May 23, 2020 by QCxpat

[j-man]

So is this now on the first floor of the office space. Can’t tell from the pics. And are the decks supposed to be exactly the same height? 

[QCxpat]

Today 12:50 p.m.

Edited May 27, 2020 by QCxpat

[videtur quam contuor]

Time stamps are helpful.

[KJHburg]

Honeywell Legacy 3 tower and I like this brick as it is different for uptown and have always liked the brick high rise in downtown Raleigh former name One Hannover Square can't remember its current name.   Drive by today.  (traffic is a breeze in uptown right now at 4 pm but cant wait until it is clogged again)

[QCxpat]

Today 12:20 p.m.

Edited June 4, 2020 by QCxpat

[SydneyCarton]

The brick façade looks nice.

[KJHburg]

10 more floors to go from my count at the Honeywell Tower via OxBlue

 

[Guest]

ugh so much parking deck

[J-Rob]

I would be very impatient trying to get out of the parking deck on a daily basis.  I am curious how COVID-19 impacts parking needs going forward.  If companies go to staggered approaches to reduce density (like A/B groups or requiring 2 or 3 days in office each week rather than 5), it theoretically could reduce the need for parking to a certain extent.  Best case scenario for Charlotte would be there is growing demand for office space, with reduced demand for parking.  I think it could happen.  I think many companies will want employees in the office a few days a week just for collaboration and morale, but at reduced density. Feasibly, you could need the same amount of space for a reduced number of employees in office (or maybe just slightly less office space).  Combine that with financial companies potentially moving to Charlotte for lower rent outside of uber dense cities, and it could be a nice recipe for Charlotte.

[CLT2014]

1 hour ago, J-Rob said:

I would be very impatient trying to get out of the parking deck on a daily basis.  I am curious how COVID-19 impacts parking needs going forward.  If companies go to staggered approaches to reduce density (like A/B groups or requiring 2 or 3 days in office each week rather than 5), it theoretically could reduce the need for parking to a certain extent.  Best case scenario for Charlotte would be there is growing demand for office space, with reduced demand for parking.  I think it could happen.  I think many companies will want employees in the office a few days a week just for collaboration and morale, but at reduced density. Feasibly, you could need the same amount of space for a reduced number of employees in office (or maybe just slightly less office space).  Combine that with financial companies potentially moving to Charlotte for lower rent outside of uber dense cities, and it could be a nice recipe for Charlotte.

Reducing density in an office is going to do so little to stop the spread of COVID-19, it almost isn't worth the hassle. It seems like a nice thing to pat ourselves on the back, but unless people don't interact with their co-workers, there will be spread. Interaction is the very reason people benefit from being in the office. If we just build cube bubbles... what's the point of going back in the office?

1. Do you close all the conference rooms? With a 6 foot radius, a 15 person conference room now fits like 3 or 4 people. A 4 person conference room fits 1. If co-workers can't collaborate... why bring them back from working at home? Many workers, especially those that collaborate the most, spend a good amount of time in conference rooms. 

2. Do you close the break rooms and encourage employees to eat lunch alone or go outside? Do you eliminate the microwaves and common area fridge and ask people to go out to eat? 

3. Do you close all collaboration areas / open office space?

4. Do employees essentially report to the office just to spend all day on Zoom anyhow cause you can't get within 6 feet of your co-workers?

5. Are all the white boards removed? Do you remove conference phones and ask people to use their cell phone? 

All these complexities are why many large companies just stay at work from home. Bringing people back to sit in their "cube" bubble just means they have to spend time commuting to sit in isolation at work.

Then, if you aren't going to make changes to conference rooms and break rooms, et... not really sure spreading the cubes out really helps that much. Person coughs inside, droplet gets in the air, and the air conditioning system could potentially push it 20+ feet around the floor. 

Edited June 8, 2020 by CLT2014

[J-Rob]

3 hours ago, CLT2014 said:

Reducing density in an office is going to do so little to stop the spread of COVID-19, it almost isn't worth the hassle. It seems like a nice thing to pat ourselves on the back, but unless people don't interact with their co-workers, there will be spread. Interaction is the very reason people benefit from being in the office. If we just build cube bubbles... what's the point of going back in the office?

1. Do you close all the conference rooms? With a 6 foot radius, a 15 person conference room now fits like 3 or 4 people. A 4 person conference room fits 1. If co-workers can't collaborate... why bring them back from working at home? Many workers, especially those that collaborate the most, spend a good amount of time in conference rooms. 

2. Do you close the break rooms and encourage employees to eat lunch alone or go outside? Do you eliminate the microwaves and common area fridge and ask people to go out to eat? 

3. Do you close all collaboration areas / open office space?

4. Do employees essentially report to the office just to spend all day on Zoom anyhow cause you can't get within 6 feet of your co-workers?

5. Are all the white boards removed? Do you remove conference phones and ask people to use their cell phone? 

All these complexities are why many large companies just stay at work from home. Bringing people back to sit in their "cube" bubble just means they have to spend time commuting to sit in isolation at work.

Then, if you aren't going to make changes to conference rooms and break rooms, et... not really sure spreading the cubes out really helps that much. Person coughs inside, droplet gets in the air, and the air conditioning system could potentially push it 20+ feet around the floor. 

I think it might be short-sighted to suggest less dense offices are merely a response to slowing COVID-19, in part because work-from-Home has been so successful.  No one is going to significantly change the layout of a major office building as a short-term bridge until COVID-19 vaccination.

My office has more people assigned to the building than there are desks available in the building. The elevators are so busy that the wait to get on a elevator can be 10-15 minutes long, as people uncomfortably pack in the elevator bay waiting their turn.  People share cubes or find somewhere like a random chair or table to set up to work.

All of this is an unnecessary breeding ground for discomfort and sharing flus/colds, and yes COVID-19 type sickness too. Since companies have been successful with WFH, why not set up schedules to reduce density?  Having an environment where WFH is more of a norm might also encourage people to stay home when they are sick rather feeling obligated to appear at office. 

Teams can still collaborate in person as long as it is planned, but without requiring sardine-like office density.  In short, I don’t think reduced density would be about six-feet of separation as much as it would be about making practical business adjustments in the wake of a changed business environment.