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"Alexander did say the Pamunkey Indian Casino that had been billed at $700 million would likely now be more around $200 million. Instead of 3,500 jobs, Alexander said to expect around 1,000."

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/despite-risks-of-developing-2-casinos-norfolk-and-portsmouth-leaders-still-want-individual-projects/amp/1

 

 

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I saw that.  So disappointing, not surprising, not explained in full that I know of?? I also saw him dodge questions repeatedly re: partnering with Portsmouth, as Tommy Norment says is likely the best plan....for that gaming study report suggests they would compete pretty hard with each other .

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This metro just continues to prove why we are where we are when compared to others our size. So disappointing and typical. Before all said and done it will be a 2 story Rosie's with an attached Super 8. 

This economy is freakin booming...and we get projects that are stalled, downsized and nothing new thats substantial. 

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A $200 million project, while good, is not unheard of in this area. That's a pretty average sized major project for us, on par with Town Center, City Center, etc. We really needed to hit this one out of the park, and it appears yet again that things are getting scaled and/or watered down...

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On 10/8/2019 at 9:43 AM, Arctic_Tern said:

I'm feeling a bit better about the project now that I've found this site: https://www.norfolk.gov/4661/Resort-Casino

Have any of y'all seen it before? I don't want to be obstinate, but I hadn't seen it before and it was pretty hard to find (had to search "norfolk.gov casino" in google, "norfolk casino" and similar searches wouldn't pull it up). Was it distributed very much? 

This part still worries me, from the Q/A: 

Does the agreement with the city require the reported $700 million investment?

The total investment will be based on the scope of the final project.   At a minimum the tribe will construct a project that includes 750 electronic gaming machines, 25 gaming tables, 150 hotel guest rooms (if Class III gaming is approved), and parking.

I've seen this city bait-and-switched on too many times to get too caught up in the shiny $700MM promises and renderings and whatnot. I really hope they actually put good money into this thing and don't just meet the minimum requirements. And the "if Class III gaming is approved" is interesting. What if it isn't approved? What parts of the deal fall through if that happens?

Welp.

This is why I was worried with how low the minimum requirements were. Instead of creating a contract to ensure we get the money put into it needed, we're ceding land from the city forever for much much less than the revolutionary product we were promised.

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If somone has good photoshop skills, im curious to know what the downtown skyline would look like if every proposed project got built, and built to there original proposal. I bet it would be epic.

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Earlier this year, I put together a mockup including Gateway Tower, the casino, and the African History Museum. 

I'm still looking forward to the casino, but I'm thinking it'll be closer to a Maryland Live! concept than the tower we have...a fairly non-descript building...the last picture is the new ML! hotel rendering. 

I wouldn't be surprised if the hotel we end up with will look more like a Hampton Inn, although I hope it maintains the all-glass exterior.

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The tribal route is likely to be abandoned, perhaps for the better seeing as the casino will likely be far smaller than originally proposed. The commercial route is pretty much guaranteed to pass the general assembly. This makes the referendum over the land deal a moot issue.  I’ll be interested in seeing if the petition folks go away now, or they find some other reason to complain about the casino. I’m betting on the latter.

https://www.pilotonline.com/cities/norfolk/vp-nw-norfolk-casino-hearing-20191217-rercy7gd6ncknk5ngia3zsrd4y-story.html

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Well...I guess the good news is that it's still on the books, and the city should still get something back. Hopefully, this will at least make the naysayers content..

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That and $300-375 million is not terrible. A far cry from 700, but nowhere near as bad as the 200 mentioned earlier. I can live with this.

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https://www.pilotonline.com/business/vp-nw-norfolk-casino-downtown-restaurants-20191223-kdrmvpxas5alpmc7ajt7brd3bi-story.html

Restaurant owners are scared that the casino might hurt their profits. Same restaurant owners who said food trucks would kill their business? Is it the casino that's the problem, or are you just not performing well and feel the heat?

“If the casino opens, I will close,” Smith (Brick Anchor Brew House owner) told the City Council during a public hearing at Lake Taylor High Thursday night.

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“It’s going to be difficult to sustain the small business core, especially in downtown,” Smith said.

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4 hours ago, BFG said:

https://www.pilotonline.com/business/vp-nw-norfolk-casino-downtown-restaurants-20191223-kdrmvpxas5alpmc7ajt7brd3bi-story.html

Restaurant owners are scared that the casino might hurt their profits. Same restaurant owners who said food trucks would kill their business? Is it the casino that's the problem, or are you just not performing well and feel the heat?

“If the casino opens, I will close,” Smith (Brick Anchor Brew House owner) told the City Council during a public hearing at Lake Taylor High Thursday night.

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“It’s going to be difficult to sustain the small business core, especially in downtown,” Smith said.

Do the stand alone restaurants in Vegas know about this lil piece of food service insider knowledge?  Someone get them all on a conference call quick....tell 'em they're gonna go out of business. 

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:rolleyes: I see the pilot is out with their weekly dose of FUD regarding the casino. The people here make this area hard to love sometimes. Everyone is afraid of everything. It’s ridiculous.

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"But it’s not just a lack of butts in seats that could sink downtown’s restaurants, Smith said. Recent projections expect a casino in Norfolk to hire around 1,200 to 1,400 people, with the possibility for more if the project is larger than expected.

“Many small businesses, especially restaurants, will be competing from the same labor pool,” Smith said. And the projected median wages of staff at the potential casino — somewhere in the low- to mid-$40,000 range — would put the squeeze on restaurants too."

Now I don't know about you, but I like to spend my money as far away from the place that I work as possible. So you'll have 1,200 to 1,400 workers making at least $40,000 a year who are going to spend money elsewhere in the Norfolk economy. They will likely spend it downtown as a means to get away from work during their lunch break. How does this man not see this? 

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Well, these restaurant owners better get creative and stop trying to play the "whoa is me" game. This is what capitalism looks like. These same owners that are whining and crying probably shop at Wal-Mart and get restaurant supplies at Sam's Club. Remember, Wal-Mart basically ate ever little locally owned store from coast to coast when they first opened. Are there still stores in business in this country that aren't Wal-Mart...yes. Maybe you have to lower prices, maybe raise wages or maybe provide a better product/environment. Just saying "If the casino opens, I'll close", doesn't sound like a very good business owner to me. You're just not gonna try...just close up? First sign of competition and you close up shop? Sounds like these owners have zero faith in themselves, their staff and their product.  

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So you're telling me that a brew/pub owner that operates on Granby, in the very center of Downtown, is worried about losing business to a hotel/casino restaurant that's not even in Downtown? Seems legit lol. Said casino won't open for years and plus it is out of the way in an area that isn't even really walkable yet. I mean, sure, light rail but seriously.

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There are a ton of restraunts in downtown norfolk. Granby st is practically a window shopping situation when it comes to restaurants. I doupt a casino with a few restraunts is going to hurt things any more than waterside, or the main.  If you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Granby is prime realestate. Maby we can get some michelin star restraunts if these folks move out.

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On ‎12‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 4:31 PM, Norva757 said:

This is the reason that I'm giving up on this area and want to move to another state

I'd suggest coming to Raleigh or the Triangle in general.  You'll have a way better job market located in a booming metro area that is green lighting projects left and right that we could only dream about in the 757. Nothing dying on the table here while they research it to death. Having been here for 2 years now I really feel like it is what HR could have been if the cities didn't infight with other and/or have NIMBYS shoot down anything that seemed like a good idea. It's exciting to see this area moving forward and if I'm feeling like a glutton for punishment I can still get back home in 3 hours.

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On 12/26/2019 at 4:29 PM, michael ary said:

I'd suggest coming to Raleigh or the Triangle in general.  You'll have a way better job market located in a booming metro area that is green lighting projects left and right that we could only dream about in the 757. Nothing dying on the table here while they research it to death. Having been here for 2 years now I really feel like it is what HR could have been if the cities didn't infight with other and/or have NIMBYS shoot down anything that seemed like a good idea. It's exciting to see this area moving forward and if I'm feeling like a glutton for punishment I can still get back home in 3 hours.

Maybe the city of Norfolk could do research to see why Raleigh is growing at a much faster rate...Now we do have hurdles that Raleigh has not had to face as in the amount of water here, the amount of influence the military has over this region....Norfolk can learn a thing or two from them..Vabeach is pointless to trying to get them to work with anyone else and have the largest amount of NIMBYs in the entire region

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