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On 12/19/2018 at 4:14 PM, vaceltic said:

As a Richmond resident, I think we dodged a bullet, as the original proposal sought to create this in nearby New Kent County. I wonder if MGM protested the proximity of the Casino to their new one at National harbor outside DC. 

What? A Bullet?

Yeah, a bullet...train straight to the bank! We'll gladly take this bullet for you. Or from you.

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This is why we can't have nice things. Please tell me that this tribe is not going to try and torpedo this significant economic development that would benefit all due to a p#[email protected]'g contest over land. Please tell me that is not the case. It would be quite fitting for this deal to fall through over something so petty. You've been in the area since the 1600s? Great. Why over 418 years have you not proposed a development like this only to raise objection when someone else does? They need to find a way to work together on this. If they care about the community in which they live, they will not try to kill an economic deal that will benefit said community. It's ridiculous how hard it is to get anything major done in HR.

https://www.13newsnow.com/mobile/article/syndication/facebook-instant/nansemond-indian-tribe-raises-concerns-on-norfolk-casino/291-314168a7-4018-4226-89a4-db75b8434701

This second article, also from wvec, is saying they're not against it. A bit confusing what their stance is. Hopefully this is the case. I think this whole impasse can be resolved if the pamunkey simply offer them a certain number of jobs in exchange for allowing the development to go through. That may also help the pamunkey claim when they go before the feds if they have nansemond backing.  Let's hope that for once disparate groups in Hampton Roads band together for the good of all.

https://www.13newsnow.com/mobile/article/news/local/mycity/norfolk/nansemond-indian-tribe-responds-to-a-possible-casino-in-norfolk/291-a4ac2c1e-25e2-4bb4-ac2e-5f29154ef51c

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1 hour ago, Diego Maradona said:

I'm curious to know exactly what evidence ANY ingenious tribe holds to make a case against another tribe's longevity in the 7 cities...

 

Also, Hi!  I'm Diego! 

As I read the article, when the Pamunkey tribe applied for federal recognition, they listed the areas where the tribe lived, farmed, and hunted.  Apparently, according to the Nansemond tribe's letter, they did not list any areas in the 7 cities.  It doesn't help that the previous chief of the Pamunkey tribe called the claim that Norfolk is ancestral Pamunkey land "a long stretch."

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1 hour ago, virginia pe said:

As I read the article, when the Pamunkey tribe applied for federal recognition, they listed the areas where the tribe lived, farmed, and hunted.  Apparently, according to the Nansemond tribe's letter, they did not list any areas in the 7 cities.  It doesn't help that the previous chief of the Pamunkey tribe called the claim that Norfolk is ancestral Pamunkey land "a long stretch."

All the tribes in this region though were under Powhatan and there is evidence that the Pamunkey had some interaction down here. My main concern is what is the Nansemond end game here? How does it hurt them for the Pamunkey to build this casino here when they never had any inclination to do so themselves? They say they’re constituents and part of the community, are they at all concerned with the impact their actions will have on said community if they’re successful in scuttling this deal? I struggle to see how this isn’t a win for everyone, and I don’t really like casinos. 

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maybe The Nansemond tribe is not federally recognized? which is the only way they can build casinos. If it eventually becomes recognized, there would already be a casino built within their ancestral land that doesn’t benefits their people, only the Pamunkey.

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They were federally recognized around the same time as the Pamunkey. If they wish to build a casino, now is the time to state so. 

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The Nansemond and Pamunkey tribes should colaborate on this project adding jobs and benefits for both tribes. Giving the Pamunkey tribe a stronger claim to build and benefitting both tribes and the city as a whole.

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7 hours ago, wrldcoupe4 said:

How do taxes work with casinos like this. Because it is a federally recognized tribe, do they pay property taxes, sales taxes, etc?

The state and city gets the sales taxes as well as the taxes from hotel room stays. There are no federal or property taxes.

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7 minutes ago, zeppelin14 said:

A new article about the casino. This could take years before even breaking ground. I have a feeling this will drag on longer than the dome site.

Not uncommon for Indian casino approval to take 8 years or more, lawyers say

Maybe, maybe not. Norfolk seems to have a bit more will and fortitude when it comes to pursuing major projects than Va. Beach does. That drive can make a big difference. A lot of this article is speculation from people not involved with this particular application. The developer stated they expect things to take a far shorter time, and I’m going to assume that they have a better feel for where they are in the process. We’ll see.

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https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/marijuana-decriminalization-norfolk-casino-topics-as-local-lawmakers-prep-for-general-assembly/1687650592

Apparently there’s another group that also wants to build a casino in the area. No word on who that group is.

”"I'm on board with this project," Knight said. "It's all about economics, and I believe it is going to be a rising tide for the entire region." 

Knight says he will offer a bill saying to the federal government the General Assembly is on board with casinos in Hampton Roads and Virginia.

"Norfolk is going to zone the land,  we are OK with it.  It shows a positive aspect to the federal government that there is a compact between Virginia, and the Indian tribe, and let them go forward." Knight says this approach and legislation could fast track final approval from 4 to 5 years to 2 to 3 years. 

Make no mistake, this is a process says Senator Norment, "I think it is an introductory process. This is one of those subjects that legislators are going to have to be educated on."

 Norment points out the Pamunkey Indian Tribe is not alone as competing casino development plans await,

"We got a group in Southwest Virginia that wants to build three casinos, and to put one in Hampton Roads." Norment pointed out a casino could help with jobs in an area that desperately needs them.

On top of the casinos there are gaming bills to support legalized sports betting, revolution horse racing, possible slot machines. Oh, and let's not forget the November elections too.

"It is going to cause some legislators to pause in an election year that Virginia is going into the gaming business full board," Norment added. “

 

 

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I'm all for it, if it's done right. This is great news. It seems like laws makers are on board with it too.  

Could be the shot in the arm this area needs!!

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More than one option is always cool. I think a casino downtown and a couple at the strip would be nice, maybe near the Cavalier or Catch. But I think the folks down there with money would kibosh that.

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 I’m all for a couple of casinos, but I really don’t want to go overboard with it. We need to approach this carefully. I’m not sure I want it at the strip. Harbor Park is good. Maybe something on the waterfront in Portsmouth, even if it’s just a riverboat. Maybe one on the peninsula, but that should be the extent of it. I really don’t want us to go too far in the Atlantic City direction.

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On 1/3/2019 at 4:32 PM, vdogg said:

Maybe, maybe not. Norfolk seems to have a bit more will and fortitude when it comes to pursuing major projects than Va. Beach does. That drive can make a big difference. A lot of this article is speculation from people not involved with this particular application. The developer stated they expect things to take a far shorter time, and I’m going to assume that they have a better feel for where they are in the process. We’ll see.

One casino in the Hampton Roads region is the only economically viable possibly.  I see a casino in Portsmouth due to Louise Lucas happening faster than any Native American options.

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1 hour ago, VAGATOR said:

One casino in the Hampton Roads region is the only economically viable possibly.  I see a casino in Portsmouth due to Louise Lucas happening faster than any Native American options.

I agree that HR should only have one casino. If there are multiple casinos, then we’d be trading quality for quantity. 

I don’t expect Lucas’s proposal to pass though. She introduces a casino bill every year and it’s alway written to give Portsmouth an advantage (and always fails). 

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18 hours ago, Willy18 said:

https://southsidedaily.com/local-news/2019/01/14/casino-proposal-prompts-tribes-to-clash-over-ancestral-lands/

Oh here we go with a turf war. I see this doing nothing more than stalling the development for years or even keeping it from ever happening. 

Yes, this will complicate things for sure.

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https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/general-assembly/pamunkey-tribe-says-it-s-willing-to-jumpstart-norfolk-casino/article_515848ad-bb18-5b81-aa19-1b60a1acaa5e.html

“Virginia’s Pamunkey Indian Tribe said Tuesday that it’s willing to fast-track its planned casino in Norfolk by opening it under commercial gambling laws instead of waiting on federal approvals for a tribal casino...

The tribe is modifying its plans in an attempt to be involved in current General Assembly deliberations about possible casinos in Bristol, Danville and Portsmouth. The federal process for a tribal casino could take years, raising the possibility that the tribe’s project wouldn’t be ready to proceed until after other casinos are up and running.

At a news conference Monday, Sen. Louise Lucas, D-Portsmouth, a sponsor of the commercial casino legislation, said she saw no reason Hampton Roads couldn’t have multiple casinos.

“There’s room at the table for everybody,” Lucas said.”

Is that regionalism I smell? :shok: Now this is what I’m talking about! Let’s work together on this and the whole area will benefit. There seems to be a slow but palpable shift towards more cooperation amongst the area councils. I think getting the HRBT approved really opened  area leader’s eyes to what they can accomplish when they work together. I am cautiously optimistic.

 

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I'm still in the camp that the area can not support multiple casinos, nor should it be pursuing multiple casinos. There should be one that doesn't have competition. I'm afraid if there were multiple, neither would be as successful as it could be without competition.

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 Vegas has hundreds. Two won’t break the bank, and if they work together, the casinos can be designed to compliment each other instead of compete. Dedicated ferry service between casinos with events scheduled at each could really make the area take off. Again, I don’t want us to turn into Atlantic City, but 2 can easily be done.

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