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Can we stop with the Atlantic City references? Every single time someone mentions casinos everyone jumps on the "I don't want to be like Atlantic City" bandwagon. Just stop. Atlantic City is Atlantic City because its in New F'n Jersey and has a 100+ years worth of corrupt politicians and mob connections. It's has nothing to do market saturation. 

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On 1/14/2019 at 2:01 PM, Willy18 said:

https://southsidedaily.com/local-news/2019/01/14/casino-proposal-prompts-tribes-to-clash-over-ancestral-lands/

Oh here we go with a turf war. I see this doing nothing more than stalling the development for years or even keeping it from ever happening. 

The Portsmouth casino needs General Assembly approval. The Pamunkey casino does not. 

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On 1/17/2019 at 9:51 AM, carolinaboy said:

I'm still in the camp that the area can not support multiple casinos, nor should it be pursuing multiple casinos. There should be one that doesn't have competition. I'm afraid if there were multiple, neither would be as successful as it could be without competition.

Biloxi, Mississippi has EIGHT casinos.  And that doesn't count the casinos in New Orleans and the other cities on the Mississippi Gulf Coast. If anything, competition has made for a better experience for casino visitors.  More freebies, more discounts,  free events for the whole family.  I lost track of all the discounted buffets and lunch specials that i went to when i was stationed in Gulfport.  One casino means a "take it or leave it" experience.

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2 hours ago, jeffconn said:

Biloxi, Mississippi has EIGHT casinos.  And that doesn't count the casinos in New Orleans and the other cities on the Mississippi Gulf Coast. If anything, competition has made for a better experience for casino visitors.  More freebies, more discounts,  free events for the whole family.  I lost track of all the discounted buffets and lunch specials that i went to when i was stationed in Gulfport.  One casino means a "take it or leave it" experience.

Exactly right. Monopolies are never good for the consumer.

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6 hours ago, jeffconn said:

The Portsmouth casino needs General Assembly approval. The Pamunkey casino does not. 

From the Pilot article at the beginning of this thread:

”One is the type of casino. Class 3 gambling — Las Vegas-style table games and slots — would require state approval. But Class 2 gambling, which includes a certain type of slot machine and other games, does not.”

If they’re going to be ‘world class’ then they will require state approval as well - and they’ve already said they’re trying to join Lucas’s bill because it would be a quicker process than going the tribal route  

 

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On 12/22/2018 at 6:40 AM, virginia pe said:

As I read the article, when the Pamunkey tribe applied for federal recognition, they listed the areas where the tribe lived, farmed, and hunted.  Apparently, according to the Nansemond tribe's letter, they did not list any areas in the 7 cities.  It doesn't help that the previous chief of the Pamunkey tribe called the claim that Norfolk is ancestral Pamunkey land "a long stretch."

If I may, on what grounds does the said challenging group (Nansemond Tribe) have to question or contest any, I repeat ANY  claim an indigenous group has to the lands their so-called tribe occupied?  Why should any number of peoples respect the challenge a tribe has made to dispute the livelihood through casinos that the Pamunkey Tribe would benefit from?  I'm curious...

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8 hours ago, Diego Maradona said:

If I may, on what grounds does the said challenging group (Nansemond Tribe) have to question or contest any, I repeat ANY  claim an indigenous group has to the lands their so-called tribe occupied?  Why should any number of peoples respect the challenge a tribe has made to dispute the livelihood through casinos that the Pamunkey Tribe would benefit from?  I'm curious...

Both the Pamunkey Tribe and the Nansemond Tribe are Federally recognized and are not properly referred to as “so-called” Tribes.  It is my understanding that the dispute is about the geographic area to which each tribe is indigenous.  We know they are both indigenous to what is now Virginia, but the Nansemond seem to be claiming that the area which the Pamunkey themselves claimed as their area of influence (to which they are indigenous) did not include Norfolk.  I believe Norfolk does fall into the areas of influence claimed by the Nansemond Tribe. This dispute will be settled within tribal courts rather than federal courts.

FWIW, I hope this issue can be settled, because as many others have stated, the Nansemond Tribe didn’t appear to be interested in pursuing a casino.

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1 hour ago, NFKjeff said:

Both the Pamunkey Tribe and the Nansemond Tribe are Federally recognized and are not properly referred to as “so-called” Tribes.  It is my understanding that the dispute is about the geographic area to which each tribe is indigenous.  We know they are both indigenous to what is now Virginia, but the Nansemond seem to be claiming that the area which the Pamunkey themselves claimed as their area of influence (to which they are indigenous) did not include Norfolk.  I believe Norfolk does fall into the areas of influence claimed by the Nansemond Tribe. This dispute will be settled within tribal courts rather than federal courts.

FWIW, I hope this issue can be settled, because as many others have stated, the Nansemond Tribe didn’t appear to be interested in pursuing a casino.

The Nansemond Tribe cannot pursue a casino per their federal recognition. The legislation that recognized them and other tribes in Virginia prohibits each of them from operating casinos. Only the Pumunkey can operate a casino, assuming the get the necessary approvals - including from the state, as they went the traditional route of recognition and did so about a year prior to the other tribes. 

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4 hours ago, NFKjeff said:

Both the Pamunkey Tribe and the Nansemond Tribe are Federally recognized and are not properly referred to as “so-called” Tribes.  It is my understanding that the dispute is about the geographic area to which each tribe is indigenous.  We know they are both indigenous to what is now Virginia, but the Nansemond seem to be claiming that the area which the Pamunkey themselves claimed as their area of influence (to which they are indigenous) did not include Norfolk.  I believe Norfolk does fall into the areas of influence claimed by the Nansemond Tribe. This dispute will be settled within tribal courts rather than federal courts.

FWIW, I hope this issue can be settled, because as many others have stated, the Nansemond Tribe didn’t appear to be interested in pursuing a casino.

I have no reason to recognize the said tribes by any name assumed by either group.  Especially considering my own indigenous roots in these said areas. 

I hope things work out too.  The fact that any "blocking" is happening now that a tribe is interested in a casino on some land is precious, at best

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1 hour ago, 23320 said:

No decision on casino in Norfolk or Portsmouth expected until 2020 - Virginian Pilot

Pretty much what I expected. Lawmakers are going to wait for the results of a study and (maybe) make a decision new year. 

The favorite legal pastime of politicians is kicking the can down the road.

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The Pamunkey proposal will continue to proceed along the federal track with no delay. The only thing this delay does is put the Portsmouth proposal at a disadvantage because their only path is through the state, whereas the Pamunkey  can do state or federal.

This effectively gives them a 2-year headstart, as any referendum allowing Portsmouth to proceed wouldn’t happen until November 2020.

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2 hours ago, Willy18 said:

…..oh good let's have a study.  

Profits 

Vegas = $6.2B

Atlantic City = $3B

Chicago = $2.2B

Detroit = $1.4B

Connecticut = $1.2B

Philly = $1.1B

St. Louis = $1.1B

Gulf Cost Miss. = $1.0B

Study Complete - Thank you Google

And to make this even closer to home (no pun intended), as of last October, MGM Grand in DC became MGM's 5th-highest revenue maker, with nearly $200M in the 3rd quarter of 2018.

https://wtop.com/business-finance/2018/10/mgm-national-harbor-is-mgms-5th-highest-revenue-generator/

One reason Governor Northam is pushing for casinos is to keep Virginians from leaving for West Virginia, Delaware, or DC/MD. If the General Assembly wants to lose out on that revenue, they deserve to get voted out.

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Northam requested the studies in his legislative agenda. He’s publicly said that the state should take its time in making a decision regarding casinos. 

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13 hours ago, BFG said:

And to make this even closer to home (no pun intended), as of last October, MGM Grand in DC became MGM's 5th-highest revenue maker, with nearly $200M in the 3rd quarter of 2018.

https://wtop.com/business-finance/2018/10/mgm-national-harbor-is-mgms-5th-highest-revenue-generator/

One reason Governor Northam is pushing for casinos is to keep Virginians from leaving for West Virginia, Delaware, or DC/MD. If the General Assembly wants to lose out on that revenue, they deserve to get voted out.

I say include the pun LOL. Virginia has been loosing on that casino revenue front for a while.  People flock to these places just to go to the casino. I bet there’s a good percentage of ppl who go there that are probably from VA. All that money that “could” be spent here and they drag their feet??? I don’t get it.

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Dover Downs is a very hot spot in my circle of friends, family and coworkers. That is the ONLY reason they go up there. Dover Downs sends out the "free room" flyers and they keep that place jumpin. 

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Here goes the Pilot, doing what they do best. Questioning whether this is all it’s cracked up to be. 

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15 hours ago, BFG said:

Here goes the Pilot, doing what they do best. Questioning whether this is all it’s cracked up to be. 

Literally every time something big is about to happen in this area. I've really come to despise that newspaper.

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On 2/2/2019 at 10:15 AM, BFG said:

I understand being responsible but I thought casinos were for adults? If you want to go gamble your paycheck that’s your American right lol If you loose it guess what? Go work and get more money ...maybe a job at the Casino?? Lol problem solved. Next! 

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