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9 hours ago, Qdeathstar said:

I thought the Indian casino was operated under different rules, eg, didn’t need the referendum, only really the City’s support?

 

“Before a Tribe may lawfully conduct class III gaming, the following conditions must be met: 

  • The Particular form of class III gaming that the Tribe wants to conduct must be permitted in the state in which the tribe is located.
  • The Tribe and the state must have negotiated a compact that has been approved by the Secretary of the Interior, or the Secretary must have approved regulatory procedures.
  • The Tribe must have adopted a Tribal gaming ordinance that has been approved by the Chairman of the Commission.”

Indian Gaming Regulatory Act - Wikipedia

 

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On 7/14/2019 at 2:12 PM, BFG said:

So if all goes as planned, I imagine we'd see the casino opening at some point in 2022-23? 

I'm interested to see what else Norfolk has planned for becoming a tourist destination.

A new arena at some point hopefully... scope is turning into an eyesore...

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Council unveiled terms of the casino at the meeting this afternoon...

https://www.pilotonline.com/government/local/vp-nw-norfolk-casino-deal-update-20190910-poqv7hrxeffmlc7hj4dmlop424-story.html

Sounds like council is cautiously optimistic, as long as money goes back towards schools and mitigating flooding. I can live with that.

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I was hoping they would include a hotel with this casino, great!. Classic mistakes made here in MD, now casinos are back tracking to build hotels now because of the MGM that was built. 750 seat venue sounds too small, especially with a hotel that size. Excited at the prospect. This is the most promising it has ever looked for casinos in va. 33 Million to Norfolk sounds low and I agree that money should have guaranteed usage. I don' t know about it going to flooding though unless they have a definite way of curving flooding Norfolk. So far, nothing I hate about it but the venue size.

Do this VA, you need this. Everyone else is doing it with great results. Especially if pro sports never comes to the area.

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https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/mycity/norfolk/norfolk-city-council-continues-to-discuss-potential-casino/291-9af390b8-a050-4e1d-a338-0a33b2a0e7b6

In the meeting, officials said the $700 million Pamunkey Tribe casino will have between 3,500 to 4,500 slots, between 100 to 200 table games, as well as 500 hotel rooms, parking, and between three to five restaurants.

"A preliminary scope is a major resort casino, $700 million. This would be one of the largest development projects in Norfolk's history," said Chalk.

 

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10 minutes ago, Virginia City said:

Wow, that building is going to have to be huge.

Yeah, rendering shows 30 floors but we could easily clear 40. Casinos like to be big and flashy so I wouldn't be surprised to get a new tallest out of this. I just hope whatever is built stays tasteful and they don't allow any gaudy architecture like you see in Vegas.

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I think we should keep our expectations in check.  Casinos if done right can be a great economic boom, but if they do nothing to the area around it like bring in tasteful restaurants and condos it will be a failure.  I really like the development and I hope Norfolk seizes the opportunity.  The social cost have to be understood and mitigations have to be put in place.  

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The way I see it, in addition to the slot machi.......excuse me, "gambling machines", we have the lottery and bingo halls everywhere. I see people spend plenty on lotto tickets and bingo games, with no issue. I don't think casinos are going to cause the moral decay the typical naysayers expect.

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On 9/11/2019 at 2:32 PM, Diego Maradona said:

The citizens of Norfolk will definitely vote this in.  It seems like the only city in the 7 cities that actually LIKES things 

I feel like people like me that grew up in Hampton Roads has either moved away or moved to Norfolk. I would love to see Norfolk grow and become the little urban liberal city in that metro. Norfolk still has so much potential on a regional standpoint, especially as other more popular urban liberal cities become more expensive.

18 hours ago, vdogg said:

Yeah, rendering shows 30 floors but we could easily clear 40. Casinos like to be big and flashy so I wouldn't be surprised to get a new tallest out of this. I just hope whatever is built stays tasteful and they don't allow any gaudy architecture like you see in Vegas.

I don't know, some of the new architecture going up in Vegas is really amazing and modern. The ARIA casino and all the buildings around it are amazing architecture. It would be cool to see something similar to that in the Norfolk skyline.

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19 minutes ago, baobabs727 said:

Battle of the experts. Differing opinions.  Surprise, surprise. Just depends on who paid their bill.

Whichever city does it first--biggest and best--will be the victor.  It kind of reminds me of short pump versus stony point 

Norfolk would pretty much have to do everything wrong to not win that fight. Portsmouth is too busy shooting themselves in the foot to even get in the game to begin with. I’m not even sure they’re on the same playing field tbh. Having both casinos on the waterfront with ferry service in between was an absolute no brainer. They were handed money on a silver platter but they were so blinded by the need to compete with Norfolk that they weren’t open to the idea that perhaps the casinos could compliment each other if done right. It absolutely burns me up thinking of some of the poor decisions they’ve been making lately.

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3 hours ago, vdogg said:

Norfolk would pretty much have to do everything wrong to not win that fight. Portsmouth is too busy shooting themselves in the foot to even get in the game to begin with. I’m not even sure they’re on the same playing field tbh. Having both casinos on the waterfront with ferry service in between was an absolute no brainer. They were handed money on a silver platter but they were so blinded by the need to compete with Norfolk that they weren’t open to the idea that perhaps the casinos could compliment each other if done right. It absolutely burns me up thinking of some of the poor decisions they’ve been making lately.

Good points. Norfolk has the inherent advantage for sure on several fronts. I'm just hoping that Norfolk does it big... and Portsmouth perhaps doesn't do it at all. 

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Councilwoman McClellan posted that the city seeks the public's input. The response has been 50/50, and then there's the typical "taxpayer dollars" argument and questions about how much the city stands to benefit from the tax revenue. There's also the idea that gambling addiction ruins homes and leads to more crime, or that casinos don't really last, an idea which bugs me.

I'm not saying addiction isn't an issue, and by no means do I want to sound insensitive, but I really think people should be more objective and not treat anecdotes as the norm. I really hope the naysayers don't cause Norfolk to reconsider.

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Hot off the presses:

    1. The difference between the Portsmouth plan and the Norfolk plan:  Portsmouth is trying to get approval from the state. The state will set a series of criteria and conditions which will make certain cities eligible to host a casino.  Those conditions have not yet been determined and will require a referendum in the locality. None of this can happen sooner than July 2020 (a state-imposed deadline for developing gaming rules.)

    2. Norfolk can choose the plan above if it meets the yet-to-be-decided state conditions.  More than likely, it will go the federal government route with the Pamunkey Indian Tribe.  In this scenario, Norfolk would sell land to the US Dept. of the Interior who would then sell it to the Pamunkey Indians.  This creates a sovereign nation. Norfolk would work with the Pamunkey Indians to create a service agreement reimbursing the City for services (security, trash, utilities, etc.) 

    3. Both a. and b.  above can happen.

    4. Currently the Pamunkey Tribe is working with the federal government to be recognized as legitimate to the area.

    5. The City is not required to sell the land.

Above is from the DNCL meeting and has not been mentioned by any of the news organizations. It seems that the federal route requires no referendum.

What opportunities for public comment will be available?   The state route requires a referendum. The Indian tribe route only requires a public hearing with more than 30 days notice to sell the land to the Pamunkey Indian Tribe.

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