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Everyone is way too focused on height. Give me a development that interacts well with the street, is walkable, connected, and adds to the urban frabric of the city. This does all these things and will

It's official...they don't have enough signatures. https://www.pilotonline.com/government/local/vp-nw-norfolk-casino-petition-deadline-20191024-llbxc2gzvfai7jkvzfdnt6umgy-story.html

they Norfolked it up 

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I'm far from a bible thumper, but my excitement for this project is muted by the so so nature of Casinos.  They can be a boon if done right, but they also can introduce vice and in some instance blight to the surrounding area.   The city needs to review this proposal very carefully to make sure that it will solve more problems then what it causes. 

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Great idea. Not sure of the location. I'm sure waterfront with light rail stop is the primary draw for this location. Fort Norfolk area seems like a great place for this, except light rail stop is pretty far from the waterfront there.

If someone thinks it's viable (didn't read article), I say let them go for it.

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I don’t see a lot of blight around mgm or Charlestown. I think that angle is over played. People who make poor decisions with their money are going to continue to do so, casino or not. 

 

We are OK with the poor wasting money on scratchers but god forbid they play a table game. Personally, I love this idea. Casinos are a lot of fun if you are responsible about it, like anything. 

 

Im not sure exactly what type of approvals are needed, since they are already recognized as a solvern nation.  

 

Feel sorry for portsmouth, as quite a few years ago they wanted to look into getting a casino but were quickly shot down.  

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If I understand the article correctly, this is a Native American casino, so it wouldn't have to clear as many hurdles as a Hard Rock or MGM casino.

I agree with Qdeathstar...I've played slot machines and bought many lottery tickets over the years. I dunno if casinos are as addictive, but anytime I'm in 7-11, I see someone buying a ton of scratch off or Lotto tickets. Even just the Pick 3. There's several bingo halls around here. I think if people see an opportunity to gamble their check, they'll take it. If nothing else, it gives folks another entertainment option downtown, esp. if they can build an arena like Mohegan Sun in Connecticut or the MGM Garden in Vegas.

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Casino's also bring entertainment and a fun night out on the town, multiple bars and places to dance usually. It's something for everyone. I don't think you have to worry about the negative affect until the whole city is full of them, such as Atlantic City. It will compliment Norfolk nicely, keep revenues from heading up to dover and help redevelope that area. Win win, plus the design looks awesome from the image, technically another high rise right?

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21 hours ago, Norf native said:

Blew this up and did some counting. Had trouble with the bottom section but this looks to be about 29 floors. Possibly a new tallest for Norfolk depending on floor to ceiling height.

Edit: Counted again. It’s exactly 30 floors. If the casino falls through I hope they at least retain this land and design. This would be a wonderful signature tower in a mixed use project.

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I can't find the architect either. I love the design...if this goes forward the city should just sit back and let this roll out with what they proposed. On the flip side they should also hold them to this design and don't let them cheapen it. 

 

The twin buildings in the back look to be roughly 20. 

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I saw that part but I’m 99.9% certain that they contracted that work out. I doubt they have an in house architect, that would be unusual. I don’t see this design getting dulled down either.  Casinos are all about being flashy and attracting attention. This is probably the dullest design that they came up with, but it’s what they thought they could get past Norfolk’s design review.  :lol:

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What’s this building over here that they snuck in? I didn’t notice it before. I was thinking Wells Fargo but I don’t think it’s at the right angle. 

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It’s probably Wells Fargo, just looks a little funky from that angle.

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1 hour ago, SuffolkWahoo said:

If you look at the bottom of the structure, it seems to jut out into the water.  Is it just me or does it resemble a ship?  I feel like that was done purposefully as a nod to Norfolk's nautical heritage.

It does resemble the bow of a ship. I believe that is the actual casino area, and it looks quite spacious. I really hope this comes to fruition, but there seem to be a few hurdles.

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1 hour ago, NFKjeff said:

It does resemble the bow of a ship. I believe that is the actual casino area, and it looks quite spacious. I really hope this comes to fruition, but there seem to be a few hurdles.

Yeah. That’s the Casino area.

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A $700M investment & $200M in annual payroll is an insanely large econ development for any area...and it's absolutely bonkers huuuuge for Norfolk!

The MGM Casino in MD pulls in $50M+ gross-- PER MONTH!!!

Many hurdles remain, so I'm cautiously optimistic...but if this thing actually gets built as proposed...wow. Just wow.

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