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zeppelin14
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"Meats" on a quarterly basis? I bet there are high steaks involved too.

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It's official...they don't have enough signatures. https://www.pilotonline.com/government/local/vp-nw-norfolk-casino-petition-deadline-20191024-llbxc2gzvfai7jkvzfdnt6umgy-story.html

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The fact that they were only able to get 3600 signatures in a city this large is telling. It's especially telling that they weren't able to brow beat the people who didn't even know that there was a c

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1 hour ago, baobabs727 said:

Next Virginia lottery board meeting is January 25th. Let’s hope that the city of Norfolk and their chosen developer will have their act together by that time.   

Well, I do believe they're serious about the "temporary" casino. If we take that at face value, then the operating license needs to be issued at the next meeting, because they can't even operate a temporary casino without one...

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Mostly about the Portsmouth casino, but this little tidbit seems to indicate we're up next...

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/rivers-casino-portsmouth-application-approved/

"The board is currently reviewing application materials for two other possible casinos, including proposed locations in Norfolk and Danville."

 

 

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This does not sound good. They have no plan beyond the temporary casino, no solid financing, nothing… I don’t know if this is happening.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/whats-the-status-of-norfolks-casino-proposal/

“Then over the summer, it was no dice for a plan to put a temporary casino in Harbor Park. Instead, developers said they’d move to build a temporary casino on the site that will eventually be home to the permanent facility. 

“Created a host of problems from where the laydown will go, how you’ll build the temporary and start construction of the permanent at the same time,” Filer said. 

While the tribe has applied to receive its gaming license from the Virginia Lottery Board, it will not be issued until they see a facility built according to Filer. Filer said the city will not be transferring any land to the tribe until they see assurances that they have the financial capacity and site plan for the permanent facility.”

““We are going to transfer and convey land when we see a facility, we see a site plan we see a sequencing and we know and feel confident that we can make it actually work,” Filer said.”

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This does not sound good. They have no plan beyond the temporary casino, no solid financing, nothing… I don’t know if this is happening.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/whats-the-status-of-norfolks-casino-proposal/

“Then over the summer, it was no dice for a plan to put a temporary casino in Harbor Park. Instead, developers said they’d move to build a temporary casino on the site that will eventually be home to the permanent facility. 

“Created a host of problems from where the laydown will go, how you’ll build the temporary and start construction of the permanent at the same time,” Filer said. 

While the tribe has applied to receive its gaming license from the Virginia Lottery Board, it will not be issued until they see a facility built according to Filer. Filer said the city will not be transferring any land to the tribe until they see assurances that they have the financial capacity and site plan for the permanent facility.”

““We are going to transfer and convey land when we see a facility, we see a site plan we see a sequencing and we know and feel confident that we can make it actually work,” Filer said.”

Over a year ago I worried that this casino will never be built.  I hope and pray I am wrong! I agree with Filer no more vague design plans its time to get specific.  Lets hope the Pumunkeys get their ducks in a row quickly before lottery board meets next month. 

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Buried in the article is a glimmer of hope. We are absolutely NOT bound to the Pumunkey, and can choose another operator once their option is up in 2 years. That's still a long time, but it leaves the door open to bringing someone in that actually knows what they're doing.

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31 minutes ago, vdogg said:

Buried in the article is a glimmer of hope. We are absolutely NOT bound to the Pumunkey, and can choose another operator once their option is up in 2 years. That's still a long time, but it leaves the door open to bringing someone in that actually knows what they're doing.

If not the Pamunkey, then another referendum would be likely as a license needs to be issued within 5 years of the election or a new referendum is required.  

I am curious to know if there are any other site issues holding this up that aren’t mentioned in the article. The city needs to provide a thorough update to residents and it shouldn’t take a letter from a delegate & prodding by the media for them to provide updates. It should be regular- quarterly or monthly even. It’s when things aren’t going to plan that you don’t hear about things. If this was on track, the city and tribe would be volunteering information about the progress and status. 

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In the Tides lease renewal are new allowances for the Casino and the seawall project. So the city is fulfilling its’ side of the equation. 
 

https://www.dailypress.com/government/local/vp-nw-tides-lease-renewal-20221227-ne7xt56uj5hgpnuxeivmid52uu-story.html?fbclid=IwAR3k0bTVljOMhJkutp6IF-t4A7ISYQXS8zlDjspumZ61B44uv2WKzVL4QYI

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Both the Norfolk and Portsmouth casinos were planned and talked about in the early stages at the same time. Portsmouth completely built their casino and will open tomorrow..... Norfolk has not even broke ground and isn't even close to doing anything. Norfolk City council should all step down because I this fiasco, closing so many restaurants on Granby, letting MacArthur Mall fail, and it looks like they are backtracking on an arena at the Military Circle site. Norfolk should be embarrassed.

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On 1/22/2023 at 12:51 PM, zeppelin14 said:

Both the Norfolk and Portsmouth casinos were planned and talked about in the early stages at the same time. Portsmouth completely built their casino and will open tomorrow..... Norfolk has not even broke ground and isn't even close to doing anything. Norfolk City council should all step down because I this fiasco, closing so many restaurants on Granby, letting MacArthur Mall fail, and it looks like they are backtracking on an arena at the Military Circle site. Norfolk should be embarrassed.

In my almost 3 decades in this area I have never seen a more ineffective, inefficient, and inept city council than the one that populates Norfolk city hall right now. Even Portsmouth, with all their drama and infighting, still manages to get s@$! done… Council was handed a vibrant and revitalized city on a silver platter, and in a few short years, we’re back where we were in the 80s. Simply unbelievable…

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What does it say? Not a facebook person.

It links to this article, which was published last summer. It’s just an attempt for the page to appear active since there’s no progress to report on. 
 

Edit: Oops, forgot the link to the article. Baobabs shared it in his follow up comment. 

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3 hours ago, carolinaboy said:

What does it say? Not a facebook person.

It's a link https://www.virginiabusiness.com/article/hospitality-tourism-robert-gray/?fbclid=IwAR3JmMiVtLlgh_fZDvT2wuem5asFra9rwFNwv-UMYBPIlGZv9O7SUbHosWw  which was posted on the Headwaters Casino FB page just 2 days ago referencing a VA BIZ article from last August placing Robert Gray, CHIEF of the Pamunkey Indian Tribe, on the VA POWER 500 for business influence:  "Hospitality/Tourism!"  They cite Headwinds, of course.  That's his only "accomplishment" in Hospitality/Tourism.  Nothing like rewarding somebody now for deeds which may or may not be done in the future. HEH. 

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Update from the lottery board on Jan 23 - page 14: https://www.valottery.com/-/media/val/images/promos/casinos-sports-betting/board-meetings/01252023-gaming-compliance-slides.ashx?la=en

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•Meetings are held to discuss overall progress.
• Anticipates opening a temporary casino.

Actually that’s verbatim. That’s the same exact thing they said last time. Three months and no real progress. 

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