vdogg Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 The tribal route is likely to be abandoned, perhaps for the better seeing as the casino will likely be far smaller than originally proposed. The commercial route is pretty much guaranteed to pass the general assembly. This makes the referendum over the land deal a moot issue. I’ll be interested in seeing if the petition folks go away now, or they find some other reason to complain about the casino. I’m betting on the latter. https://www.pilotonline.com/cities/norfolk/vp-nw-norfolk-casino-hearing-20191217-rercy7gd6ncknk5ngia3zsrd4y-story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFG Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Well...I guess the good news is that it's still on the books, and the city should still get something back. Hopefully, this will at least make the naysayers content.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdogg Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 That and $300-375 million is not terrible. A far cry from 700, but nowhere near as bad as the 200 mentioned earlier. I can live with this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brikkman Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 I think the key now is to build it in a way that it could be easily expanded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFG Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 https://www.pilotonline.com/business/vp-nw-norfolk-casino-downtown-restaurants-20191223-kdrmvpxas5alpmc7ajt7brd3bi-story.html Restaurant owners are scared that the casino might hurt their profits. Same restaurant owners who said food trucks would kill their business? Is it the casino that's the problem, or are you just not performing well and feel the heat? “If the casino opens, I will close,” Smith (Brick Anchor Brew House owner) told the City Council during a public hearing at Lake Taylor High Thursday night. . . . . . . . . . . “It’s going to be difficult to sustain the small business core, especially in downtown,” Smith said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy18 Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 4 hours ago, BFG said: https://www.pilotonline.com/business/vp-nw-norfolk-casino-downtown-restaurants-20191223-kdrmvpxas5alpmc7ajt7brd3bi-story.html Restaurant owners are scared that the casino might hurt their profits. Same restaurant owners who said food trucks would kill their business? Is it the casino that's the problem, or are you just not performing well and feel the heat? “If the casino opens, I will close,” Smith (Brick Anchor Brew House owner) told the City Council during a public hearing at Lake Taylor High Thursday night. . . . . . . . . . . “It’s going to be difficult to sustain the small business core, especially in downtown,” Smith said. Do the stand alone restaurants in Vegas know about this lil piece of food service insider knowledge? Someone get them all on a conference call quick....tell 'em they're gonna go out of business. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdogg Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 I see the pilot is out with their weekly dose of FUD regarding the casino. The people here make this area hard to love sometimes. Everyone is afraid of everything. It’s ridiculous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdogg Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 "But it’s not just a lack of butts in seats that could sink downtown’s restaurants, Smith said. Recent projections expect a casino in Norfolk to hire around 1,200 to 1,400 people, with the possibility for more if the project is larger than expected. “Many small businesses, especially restaurants, will be competing from the same labor pool,” Smith said. And the projected median wages of staff at the potential casino — somewhere in the low- to mid-$40,000 range — would put the squeeze on restaurants too." Now I don't know about you, but I like to spend my money as far away from the place that I work as possible. So you'll have 1,200 to 1,400 workers making at least $40,000 a year who are going to spend money elsewhere in the Norfolk economy. They will likely spend it downtown as a means to get away from work during their lunch break. How does this man not see this? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy18 Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 Well, these restaurant owners better get creative and stop trying to play the "whoa is me" game. This is what capitalism looks like. These same owners that are whining and crying probably shop at Wal-Mart and get restaurant supplies at Sam's Club. Remember, Wal-Mart basically ate ever little locally owned store from coast to coast when they first opened. Are there still stores in business in this country that aren't Wal-Mart...yes. Maybe you have to lower prices, maybe raise wages or maybe provide a better product/environment. Just saying "If the casino opens, I'll close", doesn't sound like a very good business owner to me. You're just not gonna try...just close up? First sign of competition and you close up shop? Sounds like these owners have zero faith in themselves, their staff and their product. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Norva757 Posted December 24, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 This crap is getting ridiculous...I've never heard a city complain about growing so much in my life....its not even close to where they are in business...its not going to draw people away from their shops and there is plenty of workers in this region looking for jobs....biggest BS excuses I have ever heard...makes me sick seeing crap like this all the time coming from this region.....bad thing is its the NIMBYs that have the loudest voices and show up to these events 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia City Posted December 25, 2019 Report Share Posted December 25, 2019 So you're telling me that a brew/pub owner that operates on Granby, in the very center of Downtown, is worried about losing business to a hotel/casino restaurant that's not even in Downtown? Seems legit lol. Said casino won't open for years and plus it is out of the way in an area that isn't even really walkable yet. I mean, sure, light rail but seriously. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjnfkvb Posted December 26, 2019 Report Share Posted December 26, 2019 There are a ton of restraunts in downtown norfolk. Granby st is practically a window shopping situation when it comes to restaurants. I doupt a casino with a few restraunts is going to hurt things any more than waterside, or the main. If you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Granby is prime realestate. Maby we can get some michelin star restraunts if these folks move out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike A. Posted December 26, 2019 Report Share Posted December 26, 2019 On 12/7/2019 at 4:31 PM, Norva757 said: This is the reason that I'm giving up on this area and want to move to another state I'd suggest coming to Raleigh or the Triangle in general. You'll have a way better job market located in a booming metro area that is green lighting projects left and right that we could only dream about in the 757. Nothing dying on the table here while they research it to death. Having been here for 2 years now I really feel like it is what HR could have been if the cities didn't infight with other and/or have NIMBYS shoot down anything that seemed like a good idea. It's exciting to see this area moving forward and if I'm feeling like a glutton for punishment I can still get back home in 3 hours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norva757 Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 On 12/26/2019 at 4:29 PM, michael ary said: I'd suggest coming to Raleigh or the Triangle in general. You'll have a way better job market located in a booming metro area that is green lighting projects left and right that we could only dream about in the 757. Nothing dying on the table here while they research it to death. Having been here for 2 years now I really feel like it is what HR could have been if the cities didn't infight with other and/or have NIMBYS shoot down anything that seemed like a good idea. It's exciting to see this area moving forward and if I'm feeling like a glutton for punishment I can still get back home in 3 hours. Maybe the city of Norfolk could do research to see why Raleigh is growing at a much faster rate...Now we do have hurdles that Raleigh has not had to face as in the amount of water here, the amount of influence the military has over this region....Norfolk can learn a thing or two from them..Vabeach is pointless to trying to get them to work with anyone else and have the largest amount of NIMBYs in the entire region Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFG Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 The Chamber of Commerce actually visited The Triangle very recently to see what we're doing wrong. We'll see whether they implement any of these ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjnfkvb Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 The biggest hurdle this city/regoin have is the mind set of the population, and the arias bad reputation. A large chunk of the population is transient military. They come from other cities and towns that they care about, and dont see this aria as somthing worth there investment because they know that they will eventually leave. To them, this is just another place in the long list of places they have been. Also, alot of born and raised locals are nimbys because they have grown accustom to the aria and fear a change in there life style. Also, lets face it, alot of people like to dump on this aria. People reluctantly leave there home to come here, and they hate there jobs, or whatever, and as a result, they tell there friends how much they hate this aria. With those issues, it honestly supprises me that norfolk has nice things despite all the bad lip service we get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia City Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 On 12/31/2019 at 6:13 AM, BFG said: The Chamber of Commerce actually visited The Triangle very recently to see what we're doing wrong. We'll see whether they implement any of these ideas. It's not the first time they've visited there. They have also been to Nashville and Austin recently, two other cities that past us in population within the last decade. Nashville's big advice for us, regionality. We really showed we were listening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFG Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Virginia City said: It's not the first time they've visited there. They have also been to Nashville and Austin recently, two other cities that past us in population within the last decade. Nashville's big advice for us, regionality. We really showed we were listening. Pittsburgh too. I think the key takeaway from every visit was working together. From what I’ve understood (i.e. the “757” rebranding), the cities are much more open compared to 20 years ago. We may just have to be patient, myself included. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFG Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 I just got back from Rosie's in Hampton. It's basically a casino, but with only slot machines. Of course, they call it a "gaming emporium" with "games of chance", but they're more or less the same slot machines I've seen in Vegas, and I'm pretty sure they have the same Gamblers Anonymous signs scattered throughout the place. It was PACKED (mostly older people), but they had security on site. I see no reason why this can't work, with proper discipline on the part of gamblers. It's also a pretty small place, so I imagine a casino would be much larger. But I really can't see this being the catastrophe the naysayers think it will be. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdogg Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 https://wtkr.com/2020/01/13/pamunkey-tribe-signs-agreements-with-norfolk-to-purchase-land-develop-resort-casino/ New agreement has been signed for a commercial casino. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norva757 Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 Hopefully the state votes for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdogg Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Norva757 said: Hopefully the state votes for it All the people who voted for it last time are still there, this time with a greater majority. No reason why it shouldn’t pass again. The referendum is what we really have to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qdeathstar Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 question... The commercial casino makes the land less attractive for the pamunkey tribe, but the fact that it is on going to be commercial only means i would have expected a few different casino operators sweetening the pot for norfolk, since this land is prime casino real estate.... wonder how hot the market is for a hampton roads casino, conserving that none of the other operators apparently are interested in competing for the rights to the property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdogg Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Qdeathstar said: question... The commercial casino makes the land less attractive for the pamunkey tribe, but the fact that it is on going to be commercial only means i would have expected a few different casino operators sweetening the pot for norfolk, since this land is prime casino real estate.... wonder how hot the market is for a hampton roads casino, conserving that none of the other operators apparently are interested in competing for the rights to the property. I’m not following how commercial makes the land less attractive. Commercial is by far the quicker option, which is why the Pamunkey had no problem reversing course and going with a commercial venue. The land is the land, it’s just as valuable today as it was yesterday. There are several entities looking to develop casinos in the region, this is not a zero sum game in which they would only look at Norfolk. Once Norfolk signed the initial agreement with the Pamunkey to work with them, there really was no reason for anybody else to go after that particular plot of land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norf Native Posted January 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 Looks like the Pamunkey tribe is proposing the same thing in Richmond. https://www.nbc12.com/2020/01/17/pamunkey-tribe-announces-plans-resort-casino-richmond/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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