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“I have nothing against casinos, but I do have a problem with the complete lack of transparency that has characterized everything about the Pamunkey deal from day one,” wrote Alan Smith, a downtown Norfolk resident, in an opinion piece published in The Virginian-Pilot in early July.

Not entirely sure what it is he needs to know that has not been made public. I've often found that these "transparency" concerns are really just from people who don't want a casino to begin with...

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1 hour ago, vdogg said:

“I have nothing against casinos, but I do have a problem with the complete lack of transparency that has characterized everything about the Pamunkey deal from day one,” wrote Alan Smith, a downtown Norfolk resident, in an opinion piece published in The Virginian-Pilot in early July.

Not entirely sure what it is he needs to know that has not been made public. I've often found that these "transparency" concerns are really just from people who don't want a casino to begin with...

Either don't want a casino or haven't been paying attention. I'm a casual news watcher/website reader, and I feel the city has been upfront about things.

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14 hours ago, vdogg said:

“I have nothing against casinos, but I do have a problem with the complete lack of transparency that has characterized everything about the Pamunkey deal from day one,” wrote Alan Smith, a downtown Norfolk resident, in an opinion piece published in The Virginian-Pilot in early July.

Not entirely sure what it is he needs to know that has not been made public. I've often found that these "transparency" concerns are really just from people who don't want a casino to begin with...

"I have nothing against casinos, but I have a problem against casinos." 

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The people complaining about the casino and the "crime" it will bring never have any intention of stepping foot anywhere near the casino and probably never go near downtown anyway. These people in my opinion need to STFU.

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“Glass said the group is receiving some communication help from Red Banyan, a Washington D.C. based P.R. firm that reached out to members of the group over the summer. Glass said the Informed Norfolk has not hired the consulting firm or paid them for any services. 

“We are able to ask them questions about communications,” Glass said, explaining she initially declined their help as she didn’t and still doesn’t know who they are being paid by.

“Hi … I can’t name my client, unfortunately,” said Asher Levine, a managing director with Red Banyan following at 10 On Your Side inquiry”

Hmm... Let’s bet on this one, lol. Who are the mysterious backers?

1)MGM

2)Cordish

3)Rosie’s

4)Portsmouth Casino.

 

 

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https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/group-opposed-to-norfolk-casino-deal-to-hold-press-conference-thursday-new-information-to-be-released/

"Thursday, State Sen. Lynnwood Lewis, (D-Accomac) and Del. Jay Jones (D-Norfolk) sent a letter to the chairman of the state board of elections asking for an investigation into the committee in order to find out who is funding the DC-based PR firm — Red Banyan — that has assisted the group with communication. The PR firm has not been paid by the committee.

“It is our understanding that undisclosed “straw donors” contributions are illegal under Virginia law,” the lawmakers said.

Glass said they are following all the financial report disclosures. Legally, they are not required to file one until Oct. 15.

While rumors have swirled that Rush Street Gaming — the developer hoping to build a casino a little more than 6 miles away — is funding the opposition. A spokesperson said that is not true.

“Rush Street Gaming has no relationship with Red Banyan PR,” said Jack Horner, with Hornercom  public relations. “We’re exclusively focused on making Rivers Casino Portsmouth a destination of choice.”"

Guess we can scratch number 4 off the list...

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So it looks like Cordish is behind the No Casino group, because they want their own casino. They have a deal with the DC-based PR firm.

I'm so sick of this...wouldn't be surprised if they're only pulling this stunt because Waterside is underwhelming, even before the pandemic.

https://www.pilotonline.com/government/local/vp-nw-casino-opposition-funding-20201007-5ypzx3v4rfbqjea3swgtelwppu-story.html

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Well, Norfolk should have put out an RFP or something....if that’s even possible for a casino. Because I’d like to know who has the best proposal to be honest with you. Let the chips fall where they may regardless of the name on the door. 

Quite frankly, the way the City and Cordish have behaved in their interactions, one wonders truly why or how they ever decided to work together in the first place? It’s not a good relationship.  And this revelation will only make it worse.  Apparently it must be so bad that Cordish  really doesn’t care about the fall-out.  Obviously, they’re frustrated with this partnership, specifically related to their inability to get their condo tower built to date, among other issues, including not being allowed to propose their own casino.  
I wonder if in their research on their deal for Waterside they concluded that they would need another component like a casino or a condo tower to make things work?  And if so did they convey that to the City and what did the City say in reaponse? I’m not assigning blame because I don’t know all the details.

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Part of me wishes Cordish had waited a couple years instead of trying to force a glorified food court. Louise Lucas has been trying for a casino for years; eventually something would've worked in her favor, but I also get not sitting on a vacant building for three or four years.

Like you, I don't know all the details, but the city put out a survey close to 10 years ago, and got about 3,000 responses. IIRC, an overwhelming majority said do something different with Waterside. And yet, here we are. Anyone know if any of the other Cordish "Live!" properties in KC or B-More are like Norfolk's, or do they offer more?

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HeyI don’t know, KC LIVE sure does look more elaborate. Including two sleek new apt. towers,

 

https://cordish.com/portfolio/power-and-light-district

https://cordish.com/portfolio/kansas-city-live
 

https://cordish.com/portfolio/one-light-luxury-apartments

https://cordish.com/portfolio/two-light-luxury-apartments

 

And even “little“  Louisville has a more elaborate set up than we do. 
 

https://cordish.com/portfolio/fourth-street-live

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On 10/7/2020 at 6:21 PM, zeppelin14 said:

It's all B.S. Why didn't Norfolk let Cordish do what they wanted to do in the first place?

Not only did they not let them do what they wanted to do in the first place, they made them close early under this concept. That place closes down so early it’s ridiculous. I think Norfolk leaders were petrified that we would have another waterside incident on our hands where somebody is dragged under a truck or shot. 

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Several people suggested a Farmer's/Seafood Market, which would've been awesome. It honestly surprises me they didn't go with that option, given how downtown still doesn't have a grocery store. Farm Fresh left Boush St. nearly a decade ago!

You close at midnight at the latest anyway. At least you would've had consistent customers and a residential base with a market.

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On 10/7/2020 at 5:35 PM, BFG said:

Part of me wishes Cordish had waited a couple years instead of trying to force a glorified food court. Louise Lucas has been trying for a casino for years; eventually something would've worked in her favor, but I also get not sitting on a vacant building for three or four years.

Like you, I don't know all the details, but the city put out a survey close to 10 years ago, and got about 3,000 responses. IIRC, an overwhelming majority said do something different with Waterside. And yet, here we are. Anyone know if any of the other Cordish "Live!" properties in KC or B-More are like Norfolk's, or do they offer more?

They definitely offer more than waterside. The setup is totally different. I would say overall, waterside generally has all the elements, it just setup definitely. its definitely not a food court vibe at all. more so a collection of businesses in the same area.

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On 10/8/2020 at 6:44 PM, baobabs727 said:

Not only did they not let them do what they wanted to do in the first place, they made them close early under this concept. That place closes down so early it’s ridiculous. I think Norfolk leaders were petrified that we would have another waterside incident on our hands where somebody is dragged under a truck or shot. 

I've always questioned that thought process. From what I remember, DT was the safest place in the city. We heard about a hand full of incidents in DT over "years" but they always seem to blow up like someone dropped a bomb in the city. I never understood it, its almost like someone has it out for DT Norfolk. The older I get the more I believe what people use to tell me about norfolk not wanting to be a big city. The council always seems to be inept when it comes to growing the city. it seems like over the years we all felt like we could do a better job and that is saying a lot about the quality of the council IMO.

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It’s really frustrating how this area operates and refuses to grow. I don’t wanna leave, but the lack of vision and cooperation is tiring.

And yet, the city leaders continue telling themselves that the regional title is the problem, and not well-paying private sector jobs. 

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https://www.virginiabusiness.com/article/baskervill-hks-to-lead-norfolk-casino-design-architecture/

"The Pamunkey Indian Tribe issued conceptual renderings for the Norfolk casino more than a year ago, but those will change with the new architectural team in place, says Jay Smith, spokesman for the Pamunkey Indian Tribe. 

HKS is a global firm with 1,350 employees and 23 locations. Some of their notable projects include AT&T Stadium (home to the Dallas Cowboys) and SoFi Stadium in Los Angeles (home to the NFL Rams and Chargers), in addition to other resorts and casinos. HKS was the lead architect on the MGM National Harbor Casino, located just outside Washington, D.C., in Maryland. "

Hmm....

If this thing turns into an overgrown Walmart I'm gonna flip.

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4 hours ago, vdogg said:

If this thing turns into an overgrown Walmart I'm gonna flip.

These are high-end architecture firms. I doubt they will put out a subpar casino.

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I believe HKS was once known as Populous. They’ve come up with some pretty iconic designs, and I think they also designed Harbor Park. I’d be okay with their design here, although I do love the original renderings. 

ETA: Correction. Populous was once known as HOK. However, HKS also designed the Venetian in Vegas. 

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