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I was in upstate NY last week for work, and tried to go to one of their Native American casinos. I found two, both kinda tucked away in the middle of a country town. I doubt they have crime issues there. Unfortunately, VA is still on NY's Covid list, so they wouldn't allow me access.

Spoke to some friends in PA and Illinois. The one in PA said crime hasn't been an issue, but economic benefits are temporary, so that's a little concerning. 

All that being said, with this being through the Pamunkey tribe, a No vote isn't a dealbreaker here, is it?

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how are the economic benefits temporary? Athens jobs are still ongoing and so is the tax revenue....

A no vote would basically end the norfol casino.

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Yeah, this might be one of the highest turnout elections in history, and if it's anything worse than a razor thin margin in favor of 'no', it'd seem super undemocratic to try and push it through. Might try and have it come up to vote again, but I'm not sure what that process would be, and I would have to guess it'd be fairly laborious. 

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18 hours ago, BFG said:

I was in upstate NY last week for work, and tried to go to one of their Native American casinos. I found two, both kinda tucked away in the middle of a country town. I doubt they have crime issues there. Unfortunately, VA is still on NY's Covid list, so they wouldn't allow me access.

Spoke to some friends in PA and Illinois. The one in PA said crime hasn't been an issue, but economic benefits are temporary, so that's a little concerning. 

All that being said, with this being through the Pamunkey tribe, a No vote isn't a dealbreaker here, is it?

I am sure this varies from casino to casino.  Having grown up in Northeastern Connecticut, seeing the transformation since the casinos opened in the mid 90s is still impressive.  The economic benefits there have certainly not been temporary and the resorts continue to expand.

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3 hours ago, Icetera said:

I am sure this varies from casino to casino.  Having grown up in Northeastern Connecticut, seeing the transformation since the casinos opened in the mid 90s is still impressive.  The economic benefits there have certainly not been temporary and the resorts continue to expand.

I should ask what he meant, but once I told him money would go towards schools, he got a better understanding. But I could only imagine this being a benefit, esp. once Norfolk starts building the waterfront more.

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We do not have any negatives from the casinos here in MD. No additional crime, addictions, etc...(so far). I haven't heard anyone complain about it, but I'm sure there are groups who complain.

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I’m kind of surprised that the referendums in Norfolk and Portsmouth both passed by such large margins. I wonder if both developments get built?

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At this point it would just be stupid not to do this. You have casinos all around the state, holding on to this "no casino" vibe is just stupid in 2020.  So this is a win at least right now. I would be more concerned how the city handles the construction of this and how they will leverage this for the city/region. Would the construction of this possible casino instantly change their thoughts on SPQ??? ( I know that will not happen) Just sayin.... A casino that close to what they proposed is kind offfffff.................... lets just say it lacks flow!

 

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19 minutes ago, brikkman said:

At this point it would just be stupid not to do this. You have casinos all around the state, holding on to this "no casino" vibe is just stupid in 2020.  So this is a win at least right now. I would be more concerned how the city handles the construction of this and how they will leverage this for the city/region. Would the construction of this possible casino instantly change their thoughts on SPQ??? ( I know that will not happen) Just sayin.... A casino that close to what they proposed is kind offfffff.................... lets just say it lacks flow!

 

How would it change their thoughts on SPQ? They're two different projects with two different goals and incentives around them. The lack of flow might also be due to the fact that there's an interstate and sea of parking between the two.

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2 hours ago, Arctic_Tern said:

I  don't think Richmond had it on the ballot this year. There's a couple proposals up there now so that might have to come at a later date.

Correct, ours is expected next November, unfortunately.  This date was codified in the prior State Bill.

Anyway, CONGRATS Norfolk!!

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I figured it would pass, just by looking at how many people follow the Pro-Casino vs. No Casino groups on Facebook. Looking forward to seeing this happen.

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On 11/6/2020 at 8:07 PM, baobabs727 said:

Cordish to sue the city of Norfolk for breach of contract for championing the Pamunkey Tribe’s casino while not backing their own proposal for a Casino at Waterside District. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/norfolk-voters-ok-pamunkey-casino-203800275.html

An easy solution would be to also back the Cordish plan for a casino and hotel tower attached to Waterside. As a betting man, I would say that would be a smart bet for the city.

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Would anybody even be upset if they simply converted Waterside into a casino, and keep one or two restaurants? Would we really be missing any nightlife we can’t get elsewhere?

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14 hours ago, urbanlife said:

An easy solution would be to also back the Cordish plan for a casino and hotel tower attached to Waterside. As a betting man, I would say that would be a smart bet for the city.

Well since they’ve always wanted to build  an apt. tower, I wonder if that land would support an apt/hotel tower?  That’d be one tall, heavy Bldg. 

7 hours ago, BFG said:

Would anybody even be upset if they simply converted Waterside into a casino, and keep one or two restaurants? Would we really be missing any nightlife we can’t get elsewhere?

Not really. That way they could use the upstairs finally and all the other spaces you don’t see that are empty, hidden behind frosted walls.  But would it be big enough? Perhaps if you closed in the open area on the 2nd floor above the bar, or ran the casino into the hotel’s first floor or something.

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I'm thinking back to my times spent at Jillian's, which I believe was in the now-demolished annex. But if you take the space above what's now Guy Fieri's and the PBR, you might could have a smaller casino.

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The city says that they have approached Cordish about modifying the lease but Cordish has not responded. Also, the referendum only approved a casino for that particular location, Harbor Park, and not for casinos city wide. Cordish would need different legislation in order to proceed. They really don't have legal grounds in this case.

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6 hours ago, vdogg said:

The city says that they have approached Cordish about modifying the lease but Cordish has not responded. Also, the referendum only approved a casino for that particular location, Harbor Park, and not for casinos city wide. Cortish would need different legislation in order to proceed. They really don't have legal grounds in this case.

Well, that’s taking the City‘S position at face value. We don’t know that Cordish doesn’t have a case, though I believe they’re probably just trying to force some concessions from the City. Perhaps to get their tower built?
 

Certainly, we could all agree that it’s less than optimal to have (seemingly) very poor relations with Cordish given that they occupy one of the crown jewel parcels of Norfolk. They need to figure it out, both sides working together. 

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12 hours ago, BFG said:

I'm thinking back to my times spent at Jillian's, which I believe was in the now-demolished annex. But if you take the space above what's now Guy Fieri's and the PBR, you might could have a smaller casino.

If I remember correctly, it was housed in the standing wing.. The side that was demolished housed hooters and have a nice day cafe...

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