ONE22ONE, 25 stories, 356', 357,000 sq. ft. office space, 6,700 q. ft. ground floor retail

[smeagolsfree]

Most of the retail in the core did go out of business or moved to the burbs. It was just a diferent kind of business that was in the core after that. If you remember in the 70s most downtowns with the exception of the very large urban cities were dead cores, especially after 5PM. In the 50s, those same cities were alive and vibrant at day and night shopers and movie goers.

It went from retail centric to corporate and government centric work atleast in Nashville anyway. Others cities were different while others still have yet to recover from the exodus of 60s and 70s.

Now its changing once again with a mix of the above, residential, tourist, and mixed use.

6 hours ago, MLBrumby said:

So true. Most of those surface parking lots had dense development on them before the 1950s. So businesses downtown desperate to stay in business needed ample parking, and still it didn't stop so many from going out of business or having to move out of the core. 

I mis read, but I think my post backs yours up.LOL.

[Native]

On 11/28/2019 at 4:11 PM, smeagolsfree said:

Most of the retail in the core did go out of business or moved to the burbs. It was just a diferent kind of business that was in the core after that. If you remember in the 70s most downtowns with the exception of the very large urban cities were dead cores, especially after 5PM. In the 50s, those same cities were alive and vibrant at day and night shopers and movie goers.

It went from retail centric to corporate and government centric work atleast in Nashville anyway. Others cities were different while others still have yet to recover from the exodus of 60s and 70s.

Now its changing once again with a mix of the above, residential, tourist, and mixed use.

I mis read, but I think my post backs yours up.LOL.

The ill-fated Church Street Mall was the last serious effort at downtown retail and it never fully leased.  I recall thinking that by the early nineties many of the new office towers had become "lawyer clubhouses" as insurance, accounting and commercial offices either disappeared or migrated to the suburbs.

It will be good to see a vibrant downtown return when Nashville Yards and similar developments mature.  Of course it will be a different feel, not like the old days when mothers took their children to Harvey's to see the monkeys.  But times change and we need to change with them.  Nashville is poised to be a very cool city.  

 

[Bos2Nash]

I tend to agree that we won’t be careless society or even city, especially with our recent history of public transit. Wouldn’t be wonderful if zoning could change to require or strongly encourage underground parking OR if the bonus  height program could be revised so developers only get extra height if they do underground parking. 

i know this will ultimately drive up development costs, but it could be a good middle ground between the no parking and all the parking crowds

[jmtunafish]

2 hours ago, Native said:

The ill-fated Church Street Mall was the last serious effort at downtown retail and it never fully leased.  I recall thinking that by the early nineties many of the new office towers had become "lawyer clubhouses" as insurance, accounting and commercial offices either disappeared or migrated to the suburbs.

It will be good to see a vibrant downtown return when Nashville Yards and similar developments mature.  Of course it will be a different feel, not like the old days when mothers took their children to Harvey's to see the monkeys.  But times change and we need to change with them.  Nashville is poised to be a very cool city.  

 

I'd change that last sentence to:  Nashville is poised to be an even cooler city. 

I think Nashville already has what many (most?) cities crave:  a reason for visitors to go downtown after business hours.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again:  Phil Bredesen was a visionary when he got the Country Music Hall of Fame to expand and move downtown and also when he got the city to build a brand new and very cool basketball/hockey arena downtown without a tenant, which was an enormous gamble, especially when downtown was still littered with adult bookstores and porn shops.  And didn't he also move the main library to the site where the defunct Church Street Center had been?  And then held an international design competition so that Nashville would end up with something nice and not just functional.  It's too bad (but understandable) that the (then) new NFL stadium didn't meet those same standards, but at least it was put downtown.

Anyway, I think Nashville is already a very cool city and is poised to be even cooler.  It's an exciting time to be living in Middle Tennessee!

Edited November 30, 2019 by jmtunafish

[rolly]

Good observations. Nashville is getting cooler with the new music museum and a new Apple flagship store right on lower broad, and all the hotels such as the JW, the cool pool /bar on top of Westin,  Cambria, W, Virgin, even the Margaritaville is turning out sharp. Nashville Yards with all the amenities and Amazon... we can go on and on!

[AronG]

On 11/29/2019 at 10:51 PM, Bos2Nash said:

I tend to agree that we won’t be careless society or even city, especially with our recent history of public transit. Wouldn’t be wonderful if zoning could change to require or strongly encourage underground parking OR if the bonus  height program could be revised so developers only get extra height if they do underground parking. 

i know this will ultimately drive up development costs, but it could be a good middle ground between the no parking and all the parking crowds

Downtown's certainly gonna have lots of parking in the mix for the foreseeable future, but it seems like there's at least room now to reconsider the way we approach it. In a lot of ways it seems like perceptions on the topic are locked in based on conditions 30 or 40 years ago, when downtown was blighted and crumbling and the city was desperate for anything that would keep the lights on during the day. Back then the only developments we got were 100% built around suburban drive-in/drive-out commuters, so that's what the city catered to. They built pedestrian-hostile super-roads through downtown, created MDHA policies to subsidize giant parking garages, and stopped paying any attention to the sidewalk network.

But we have a lot more leeway now to decide what kind of city to build. The downtown population is skyrocketing, and it's more viable than it has been in 60 years to start redeveloping a real urban ecosystem of businesses and residential spaces that target local foot/bike traffic and transit riders. But whether and how fast that takes off is going to depend a lot on what kind of developments we encourage. We have plenty (333, LC sobro, 805 Lea, Paramount, various hotels) that are pushing the boundaries of how much parking they need to provide. This one and 1222 Demonbreun seem like the opposite end of the spectrum. To me the city gets a lot more benefit from developments that are focused more on people than they are on cars.

[downtownresident]

I came across something of interest while reading the Downtown Design Committee staff report on this building. Under the "Unique Architecture" section, it states that the parking floors are designed in a way that allows conversion to other uses in the future. Maybe allow a developer extra "bonus height" if they design the parking pedestal to be converted to a different use should commuting habits change in the future.

 

Here's the link to the entire report: https://www.nashville.gov/document/ID/89089d28-343f-464c-980b-8b586abd157c/September-5-2019-1221-Broadway-Staff-Report

[UTgrad09]

1 hour ago, downtownresident said:

I came across something of interest while reading the Downtown Design Committee staff report on this building. Under the "Unique Architecture" section, it states that the parking floors are designed in a way that allows conversion to other uses in the future. Maybe allow a developer extra "bonus height" if they design the parking pedestal to be converted to a different use should commuting habits change in the future.

 

Here's the link to the entire report: https://www.nashville.gov/document/ID/89089d28-343f-464c-980b-8b586abd157c/September-5-2019-1221-Broadway-Staff-Report

I've thought about that before -- not that I think that parking spaces will suddenly or soon become obsolete downtown -- but if there is a change at some point in transport where cars and/or garages are no longer needed or as needed, my first thought is that some of the spaces could be used as urban hydroponic farms. Garages already have electricity and water (sprinklers), so I feel like the conversion would be fairly inexpensive. Given the acres and acres of potential land, and the fact that it could grow year-round, I think it's a good way to bring local produce back to the city. With all of the farmland being eaten up in the burbs, it would be interesting if it ended up getting replaced in a more urban environment. 

[Bos2Nash]

On 12/23/2019 at 8:23 PM, downtownresident said:

I came across something of interest while reading the Downtown Design Committee staff report on this building. Under the "Unique Architecture" section, it states that the parking floors are designed in a way that allows conversion to other uses in the future. Maybe allow a developer extra "bonus height" if they design the parking pedestal to be converted to a different use should commuting habits change in the future.

Some developers in other cities are actually considering this prior to construction. I was just up in Boston for the holiday and was reading about the redevelopment of the Hood Industrial Park is building level parking plates on the UPPER floors of the development so that they can be converted to office or lab space in the future. Granted this development is also being designed to have larger towers built on top of it, but that is a different matter. 

This is the forward thinking that our city needs to find and if they want to subsidize/incentivize parking for developers the requirements should make it harder and require more imaginative then just creating a massive brick at the base of the building.

[LA_TN]

55 minutes ago, Bos2Nash said:

Some developers in other cities are actually considering this prior to construction. I was just up in Boston for the holiday and was reading about the redevelopment of the Hood Industrial Park is building level parking plates on the UPPER floors of the development so that they can be converted to office or lab space in the future. Granted this development is also being designed to have larger towers built on top of it, but that is a different matter. 

This is the forward thinking that our city needs to find and if they want to subsidize/incentivize parking for developers the requirements should make it harder and require more imaginative then just creating a massive brick at the base of the building.

Several top parking levels of the Amazon towers are built as flex space that can be converted from parking into other uses in the future 

[downtownresident]

FWIW, I drove past this site today, and all mention of paid parking was gone. The lot was completely empty except for a truck for a drilling company. 

[wmaddbb2018]

Seems like  it would be as tall as the Endeavor/1200 Broadway if it's still 23 floors, no?

[titanhog]

1 hour ago, wreynol4 said:

Seems like  it would be as tall as the Endeavor/1200 Broadway if it's still 23 floors, no?

Would probably be between 330-350'.  Would imagine Endeavor is just a bit shorter than that (maybe just over 300'?)

[smeagolsfree]

They were doing core drilling when I passed this afternoon as well as the 1601 Broadway site.

[downtownresident]

Demo permit for the small building and signs near the interstate was applied for. 

[smeagolsfree]

They hardly need a permit for that as a strong wind can take the building down. I will bet it will take all of 5 minutes for that one to be brought down includinding the time it takes to off load the equipment. 

[downtownresident]

It was dark, so no picture, but fencing has been put up along the Broadway portion of the site. 

[Bos2Nash]

11 hours ago, downtownresident said:

It was dark, so no picture, but fencing has been put up along the Broadway portion of the site. 

Is the sidewalk at still open??

[downtownresident]

17 minutes ago, Bos2Nash said:

Is the sidewalk at still open??

For now. I doubt it will be once they start blasting. 

[downtownresident]

From this morning: 

[MLBrumby]

Tomlin needs to make this one 40 stories... c'mon GBT!!! Now is the time for a Nashville OFFICE developer to have some guts and show that it can be done. That baby would be 600'! That spot would instantly become the center of downtown. George B. Tomlin! GBT! Your time is now. 

[markhollin]

More fencing up along Broadway.

Looking SW from Broadway, 1/2 block west of 12th Ave:

[OnePointEast]

A lot of equipment was at the site today. Also, more fencing has arrived and barricades are being put around the site. I think this one is for sure on full throttle, now.

[downtownresident]

I’d say the forecast is looking a bit gusty. I’ll try and snag a picture on the way home. 

[titanhog]

Gotta feeling their ducks are all lined up. 

Edited February 27, 2020 by titanhog