Haven at The Gulch, 11 stories, 299 apts, $100 million

[Luvemtall]

1 hour ago, markhollin said:

Looking SE from Division Street Connector, just east of  7th Ave. South:

I’ve been sitting here looking at this picture for 15 minutes, trying to figure out how to comment…. There are no words. 

[smeagolsfree]

1 minute ago, Luvemtall said:

I’ve been sitting here looking at this picture for 15 minutes, trying to figure out how to comment…. There are no words. 

Sort of looks like a shipwreck.

[Flatrock]

3 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Sort of looks like a shipwreck.

Yes it does. And IMO, that's its 'good' angle. 

[Auntie Yock]

Gooch.

GOOCH.

GoOcH.

gOoCh.

Any way you say it, Gooch is tainted.

[nashville born]

Lucy, you got some 'splaining to do!

[Luvemtall]

37 minutes ago, nashville born said:

Lucy, you got some 'splaining to do!

[titanhog]

Ya know…it just hit me that they’ve painted the Haven in colors that match the blue skyscrapers, the red brick buildings and the limestone buildings in downtown.  After realizing this, Haven has now become my favorite building in Nashville.

Edited March 3, 2022 by titanhog

[Sean blackdog]

Yesterday evening. 

[PillowTalk4]

Was it an intentional effort to kill one of the best views of the skyline with that garbage?  Who designs such garbage and place it in such a prominent location?   Without any real architectural design elements on the south side of the building it just a big chunk of nothingness.  The building needed to be half the width to keep it from being so intrusive on everything else around it.  This is a case of taller and narrower would have been more appropriate....

[smeagolsfree]

16 hours ago, titanhog said:

Ya know…it just hit me that they’ve painted the Haven in colors that match the blue skyscrapers, the red brick buildings and the limestone buildings in downtown.  After realizing this, Haven has now become my favorite building in Nashville.

You almost had me! I was going to recommend you for a new pair of glasses!

[markhollin]

Looking NW from I-40 inner belt:

Looking south from 7th Ave. South at Fogg St:

[PillowTalk4]

Even this would have looked better...

Edited March 4, 2022 by PillowTalk4

[Rick Dalton]

Horrid

[downtownresident]

Just bad bad bad. Hopefully the horrid ocean wave blue pattern on the garage is VE out. 
 

Unfortunately these people are about to build something just as bad along 440 behind OneCity. 

[Rick Dalton]

Have they no shame?

[Licec]

Interesting in that for some reason metro gave a thumbs down to Shades but doesn't have a problem with this project.

Edited March 4, 2022 by Licec

[downtownresident]

28 minutes ago, Licec said:

Interesting in that for some reason metro gave a thumbs down to Shades but doesn't have a problem with this project.

Shades was going for a modification to zoning. As far as I know, this thing was built under the base zoning, metro had no say in the final design/materials used. 

[jjbradleyBrooklyn]

It already looks like a dated apartment complex that needs updating, cheaply built in the early 2000s or so.

Why did they think this looked good? It looks a tad low income, dare I say.  

[PillowTalk4]

2 hours ago, jjbradleyBrooklyn said:

It already looks like a dated apartment complex that needs updating, cheaply built in the early 2000s or so.

Why did they think this looked good? It looks a tad low income, dare I say.  

I understand what you're saying.  However, low income people deserve affordable housing in downtown just as much as anyone else.  Even if it is affordable housing it's still an horrific looking building.  

This building being built in Seattle is all "affordable housing" not just a few units.  It looks so much better than the crap we're complaining about. which will probably only have a few affordable housing units.  Even if the materials are the same, it just has a much better aesthetic. 

 

[jjbradleyBrooklyn]

21 minutes ago, PillowTalk4 said:

I understand what you're saying.  However, low income people deserve affordable housing in downtown just as much as anyone else.  Even if it is affordable housing it's still an horrific looking building.  

This building being built in Seattle is all "affordable housing" not just a few units.  It looks so much better than the crap we're complaining about. which will probably only have a few affordable housing units.  Even if the materials are the same, it just has a much better aesthetic. 

 

Yes, of course--they need housing just like everyone else. But the developers and architecture team can create a building that looks and is, nicer, aesthetically, for them, IF that is the case.

But it's my understanding that this is primarily market rate apartments/condos? The building is super aesthetically unpleasing, in my opinion. 

[Bos2Nash]

8 hours ago, downtownresident said:

Shades was going for a modification to zoning. As far as I know, this thing was built under the base zoning, metro had no say in the final design/materials used. 

In a conversation with a contact in Planning, this project is a shameful example of HOW EASY it is to build in Nashville. The development team knew the zoning/planning codes inside and out and even called out Planning when they asked prodding questions that technically is a grey area for planning to ask. They knew if Planning could or could not ask the question and made sure to meet the exact intent of the code on the bad side. There was another project we talked about (possibly One22One) where the building met the exact intent of the code, but on the good side.

[titanhog]

There are at least 3 crimes they committed, IMO.  Ugly design.  Ugly paint job.  Open garage all the way around in a highly visible area.

[smeagolsfree]

We could just move Stix from the KVB roundabout to the roof and have all the ugly in one place!  That may help take the sting away.

[rolly]

it is kind of a chameleon building, taking on the nearby colors like that.    Although it comes off as an unfinshed look.   Interesting...

[andywildman]

On 3/4/2022 at 7:36 PM, Bos2Nash said:

In a conversation with a contact in Planning, this project is a shameful example of HOW EASY it is to build in Nashville. The development team knew the zoning/planning codes inside and out and even called out Planning when they asked prodding questions that technically is a grey area for planning to ask. They knew if Planning could or could not ask the question and made sure to meet the exact intent of the code on the bad side. There was another project we talked about (possibly One22One) where the building met the exact intent of the code, but on the good side.

I prefer a Planning & Codes paradigm that is slightly "too easy" to build than one that is "too hard" to build. Haven at the Gulch sucks, but if that lousy building means that we can more quickly approve and build a bunch of other cool buildings and desperately needed apartments, then that's an eyesore I can live with.

Seattle's the extreme example in the US, with a Design Review process that can take 2+ years just to approve design! (see article here: https://www.theurbanist.org/2021/07/19/its-time-to-overhaul-design-review/)