Carroll South of the Ballpark (Greensboro)

[cityboi]

4 hours ago, HRVT said:

Of course, the other possibility was that it was suggested that Carroll incorporate 400 sq ft of flower beds (not an unreasonable request... two 40 X 5 beds would do the trick) and Carroll balked, so the city said that the alternative is a retention pond and now Carroll is running with that idea via his media source.... the RHINO Times.

They could probably add the flower beds in the interior of the residential portion. There was an exaggeration in the Rhino Times about the city "halting the project" The city hasn't halted anything but I do think the retention pond is ridiculous. I can't think of any city that has required that in any downtown dense urban development. The city of Greensboro is good for putting up a lot of hurdles for developers who might be interested in building downtown. Its becoming clear why Greensboro isn't seeing multiple large scale developments downtown like in other cities.

Edited March 27, 2022 by cityboi

[jtmonk]

What probably happened was the development passed the threshold for stormwater requirements and now must include some type of device for stormwater retention.  A retention pond is one option however there are also underground retention devices that can be used.  I'm sure the developer is fighting back because this can be expensive and is saying the City is requiring a retention pond because they know it will cause more of a reaction with the media than saying their development must include a stormwater device.  Also note that stormwater requirements are passed down from the state, this is not Greensboro throwing up hurdles just because they want to.  Source:  I'm a City Planner (not with Greensboro) and work directly with our stormwater administrator. 

[HRVT]

1 hour ago, jtmonk said:

What probably happened was the development passed the threshold for stormwater requirements and now must include some type of device for stormwater retention.  A retention pond is one option however there are also underground retention devices that can be used.  I'm sure the developer is fighting back because this can be expensive and is saying the City is requiring a retention pond because they know it will cause more of a reaction with the media than saying their development must include a stormwater device.  Also note that stormwater requirements are passed down from the state, this is not Greensboro throwing up hurdles just because they want to.  Source:  I'm a City Planner (not with Greensboro) and work directly with our stormwater administrator. 

One way or another, I'm not buying the version in the (Carroll owned) RHINO Times as gospel. There's obviously spin involved.

[cityboi]

Demolition taking place on the south end of the future Carroll Ballpark South 

[KJHburg]

Drove by Carroll and hotel and FNB tower and the new site of more apartments? (right?  where the demolition was going on?)

 

 

Edited June 21, 2022 by KJHburg

[cityboi]

Updated rendering of Carroll Ballpark South. The website says groundbreaking is slated for early 2023. Beautiful project, probably the best designed project in downtown Greensboro in recent years. The hotel will have 8 floors of rooms but in terms of height will actually be 10 to 11 stories tall. And finally Roy Carroll is putting street level retail and restaurants below the apartments in his projects. That was a disappointment with Carroll at Bellemeade on the opposite corner which has a similar layout with the Hyatt Place on the corner of the development and apartments to the left and right. Clearly this is a souped up version of Carroll at Bellemeade. The rental rates in the apartments will likely be pricier.

Edited November 3, 2022 by cityboi

[AlmaPinnix]

The recent Forbes article about Carroll, was covered by Fox 8 wghp. Either they are misinformed or not up to date on the project, but they are still reporting a 20 story tower.

https://myfox8.com/news/north-carolina/greensboro/greensboros-richest-resident-makes-cover-of-forbes-magazine/?fbclid=IwAR3ZAb1ahMtbGylyeqQeKX1RwU9kaJwvM8Sd52iF_lJNT2lRnF_gnNosLRY

Edited December 8, 2022 by AlmaPinnix

[KJHburg]

Here is the Forbes story about the Guru of Greensboro.  Most of his fortune is from the apartment business. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacomotognini/2022/12/05/the-guru-of-greensboro-how-a-college-dropout-built-a-29-billion-real-estate-empire/?sh=72ec7dea30c1

[AlmaPinnix]

Wow, okay, so the Fox 8 article i linked yesterday was edited by them and updated with the projects new render. LOL

[cityboi]

4 hours ago, AlmaPinnix said:

Wow, okay, so the Fox 8 article i linked yesterday was edited by them and updated with the projects new render. LOL

Lol I noticed that