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Maybe not the correct place for this, but let's just take a moment to inventory downtown. For those on here that say they want this or that, or they don't come downtown because it doesn't have enough

Must be getting ready to demo. You need a pest control certificate to receive a permit. 

I'm not one for more government intrusion in private projects...but...I would be for a statute or code stating something like...demo can't occur until all construction related entities are lined up, m

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All I’m saying is that there needs to be more balance.

9 hours ago, AmIReal said:

How about an Under I instead and maybe connect it to Gertrude's and the bike trail... hmmm

Hey that could be an Orlando version of a Promenade. My thinking was that a mini promenade could be unique to Orlando since no other city in the state could boast having one. You are right it can incorporate gertrudes walk, and the under I, but it can also incorporate Lake Eola. Who knows some other chap will probably come up with a better idea...

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On 1/26/2021 at 8:01 AM, Urban Mail Carrier said:

All I’m saying is that there needs to be more balance.

I hear this comment a lot. My response is always the same, do something about it. If you see a void, open up a business and enrich your life and the lives around you. 

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On 1/25/2021 at 10:57 PM, AmIReal said:

How about an Under I instead and maybe connect it to Gertrude's and the bike trail... hmmm

Hey that could be an Orlando version of a Promenade. My thinking was that a mini promenade could be unique to Orlando since no other city in the state could boast having one. You are right it can incorporate gertrudes walk, and the under I, but it can also incorporate Lake Eola. Who knows some other chap will probably come up with a better idea...

1 hour ago, KnightBay said:

I hear this comment a lot. My response is always the same, do something about it. If you see a void, open up a business and enrich your life and the lives around you. 

I’ll take your comment as positive and constructive. Maybe you’ll lend me the money :tw_tounge_wink:

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I couldn’t read the entire article behind OBJ paywall but they are reporting that negotiations are underway with Baker Hostetler for 40,000 sq ft lease at CSP2 possibly jump starting project start.

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16 minutes ago, Tim3167 said:

I couldn’t read the entire article behind OBJ paywall but they are reporting that negotiations are underway with Baker Hostetler for 40,000 sq ft lease at CSP2 possibly jump starting project start.

One of Orlando's biggest law firms is in talks for office space in a yet-to-be-built downtown tower. 

BakerHostetler is in discussions to ink a deal for roughly 40,000 square feet of office space in developer Lincoln Property Co.'s proposed high-rise north of its recently completed Truist Tower at 333 S. Garland Ave., Orlando Business Journal has learned. Representatives with BakerHostetler and Lincoln Property weren't available for comment. 

If completed, the deal may jump-start construction on the mixed-use project, which would redefine the City Beautiful's skyline and create a bevy of temporary construction and full-time office jobs. Lincoln Property aims to complete office deals before starting construction on the future high-rise, currently called Church Street Phase 2 Tower. 

BakerHostetler currently occupies space in Atlanta-based real estate investment trust Piedmont Office Realty Trust Inc.'s (NYSE: PDM) 200 South Orange Avenue skyscraper. A Piedmont representative wasn't available for comment. 

Discussions around the deal are a positive sign for the office real estate sector, which struggled during the pandemic as companies rethought their need for space. 

That said, there's no formal construction timeline for the Lincoln Property's next downtown tower, which is part of a $500 million investment to bring new life to downtown Orlando's Church Street district — once the heart of retail and entertainment in the City Beautiful. Lincoln Property's new Church Street Phase 2 Tower was expected to undergo design and permitting work this year. 

Still, several other deals with tenants are rumored to be in the works at the new tower. OBJ first reported in 2019 that both the Citrus Club and Baker Barrios Architects were in talks to occupy space in the future high-rise. 

That said, BakerHostetler's move may be the latest loss for the 30-story 200 South Orange Avenue. 

Piedmont — the landlord of the building once known as the SunTrust Center — in December agreed to terminate the lease with its biggest tenant in the works, New York-based co-working company WeWork. 

Meanwhile, on Oct. 29, Piedmont bought the adjacent vacant 10-story, 128,000-square-foot building for $20 million. The two towers can accommodate a user seeking 250,000 square feet of space, making it one of the largest blocks of available office space in Orlando. That's significant as it may lure an out-of-town company to downtown, since these firms have shown interest in the Sunshine State and Central Florida.

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2 minutes ago, IAmFloridaBorn said:

Yes yes yes! I love this. 

Is guess my question is why is everyone eager to leave the old Suntrust building? 

They hate teal? (I can relate). Plus, if the Citrus Club is moving, there’s a premium to be in that building (SunTrust was right across the street).

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29 minutes ago, GregoryMCSE said:

spacer.pngIf this gets built. I just hope it looks like it’s rendering 

That rendering is already ancient history.   Unfortunately.

This was the most recent, although I would imagine another redesign by the time it actually happens.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, uncreativeusername said:

That rendering is already ancient history.   Unfortunately.

This was the most recent, although I would imagine another redesign by the time it actually happens.

 

 

I wouldn't call that most recent design upgrade unfortunate at all, as I hated the old stack of boxes design.

I do wonder, after seeing that video, what the future of the Cheyenne Saloon is....

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The way they've got it depicted with a flat roof, might signal plans to do some alteration/demo/rebuild as was speculated about here awhile back.

I hope not.

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53 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

I wouldn't call that most recent design upgrade unfortunate at all, as I hated the old stack of boxes design.

I like the offset stack aesthetic when it's done well, but of course that's a matter of taste.   I'm surprised the redesign doesn't strike you as a value engineered version of the stacked boxes.

 

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1 hour ago, JFW657 said:

I wouldn't call that most recent design upgrade unfortunate at all, as I hated the old stack of boxes design.

I do wonder, after seeing that video, what the future of the Cheyenne Saloon is....

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The way they've got it depicted with a flat roof, might signal plans to do some alteration/demo/rebuild as was speculated about here awhile back.

I hope not.

That also might just be laziness on the CAD modeler's part. It's one less feature they got to add.

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2 hours ago, uncreativeusername said:

I like the offset stack aesthetic when it's done well, but of course that's a matter of taste.   I'm surprised the redesign doesn't strike you as a value engineered version of the stacked boxes.

 

It wasn't really the offset stack feature that I didn't like.

It was that so much of the building's mass was at the base, giving the entire thing that squatty look we seem to always get here in  Orlando.

Had the other design been a bit slimmer on the bottom and a bit taller, I'd have been OK with it even though I'm not really a fan of that particular kind of building.

I guess value engineering isn't such a bad thing when it makes a formerly squatty looking design look a little more sleek.  

1 hour ago, WAJAS said:

That also might just be laziness on the CAD modeler's part. It's one less feature they got to add.

That's what I was thinking, but the other buildings have little details on the roofs. 

Doesn't seem like it would've been all that much more work modelling a gambrel roof shape and plopping on top of the building.

I hope that's all it was.

Maybe they felt it would visually detract from the adjacent bottom corner of the tower. 

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This makes sense.   Law firms are going through a big culture change for their clients and to recruit employees.  Mahogany is out and sleek modern is in.   I toured Shutts remodeled space after it opened in Lincoln Plaza and it was a dramatic change.

This offers Baker a chance to do the same and not have to spend as much in a retrofit.  Their current space is nice but very dated.
 

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