Circle South, 30 story/443'/535,000 sq. ft. office tower; 19 story/239'/261 residential tower; 2.6 acres at Lafayette and 8th Ave. South

[nashville born]

  

Don't give up, Lincoln.  Don't give up!!!

[smeagolsfree]

This was a bid released on May 11th on Dodge bids. Looks like they are moving forward again. They really cannot do anything until Metro finishes up with the sewer project. Metro is slowing down a number of projects because of NES, water projects, sewer projects Fire codes, and building permits. Just get used to it. It is the cause and effect of too much growth too fast and could happen to any city.

Circle South Office Building

May 11, 2022

NASHVILLE

TN

$250,000,000.00

Construction Documents

DAVIDSON

Office, Retail (Other), P

 

[smeagolsfree]

Here is the bid for the apartment tower.

Circle South Residential Tower

March 21, 2022

NASHVILLE

TN

$25,000,000.00 - $49,999,999.00

Design Development

DAVIDSON

Apartments/Condominiums 4+ Stories

[Rick Dalton]

As an amateur, what do these “bids” mean in this context?

[thenorthchannel]

Last Thursday the ATT fiber line was severed at Circle South and 805 Lea was without ATT fiber all weekend.

[smeagolsfree]

3 hours ago, natethegreat said:

As an amateur, what do these “bids” mean in this context?

Some of them not too much, but others a lot. Some of these bids are taken from news articles and the timing on those are pretty evident. But when you have an old project like this one with specifics such as construction docs and design development that is a little more specific.

There were others I passed along to WW that we will be investigating that were not news items such as individual Metro schools worth over 1 billion a 4th story addition to Lentz center and some others. The Legislative square in front of the Capital was not a surprise to me as I saw the bid released here about a year ago. There is also one for the State Museum for a 30-million-dollar storage facility. This biding service is pretty reliable.

[thenorthchannel]

Sewer work continues.  From 805 Lea.

[MontanaGuy]

3 hours ago, thenorthchannel said:

Sewer work continues.  From 805 Lea.

Seeing all of those sewer pipes stacked up in the photo makes me think this is going to be a few months at least!  What I'm really concerned about is what's happening with the economy and I'd sure feel better if a few more of these projects got started!

[Baronakim]

3 hours ago, MontanaGuy said:

Seeing all of those sewer pipes stacked up in the photo makes me think this is going to be a few months at least!  What I'm really concerned about is what's happening with the economy and I'd sure feel better if a few more of these projects got started!

Same here, but Nashville as whole sailed fairly well through the last big recession, so hopefully the developers will take that in mind.  Our mixed economy here is very powerful and if any cities are going to weather the turndown well, Nashville will be one of them IMO.

[smeagolsfree]

12 hours ago, MontanaGuy said:

Seeing all of those sewer pipes stacked up in the photo makes me think this is going to be a few months at least!  What I'm really concerned about is what's happening with the economy and I'd sure feel better if a few more of these projects got started!

There is actual sewer work going on at the property itself. I walked by last Sunday and there must not have been any kind of infrastructure work for the property available.

[thenorthchannel]

When I look closer today … could it be buried power lines?

[Bos2Nash]

2 hours ago, thenorthchannel said:

When I look closer today … could it be buried power lines?

If definitely appears to be electrical of some kind. It could be actual power, it could also be fiber optics for internet, it could be everything. That is a fair amount of conduit. I would imagine that Lincoln Properties would want to invest in burying those utilities if they are spending what they will be spending on this development. 

805 Lea also installed a massive concrete switching box like you see at the corner in the middle of Palmer Place during construction.

[jjbradleyBrooklyn]

On 7/1/2022 at 8:31 PM, MontanaGuy said:

Seeing all of those sewer pipes stacked up in the photo makes me think this is going to be a few months at least!  What I'm really concerned about is what's happening with the economy and I'd sure feel better if a few more of these projects got started!

Yeah, agreed--it appears that way from an outsiders point of view on my end, too. I'd say Q4 2022 at the earliest, and probably Q1-Q2 of 2023 for there to be "shovels in the ground," based on what I've read here and heard. 

Once all of these projects get going in this roundabout area though, there will be 6-8 cranes there. 

I do think of every city in the US to weather a recession if it arrives, Nashville will be the best to come out just as strong with its development projects, as pre-recession. I think it's a top 5 city to still do very well, new development-wise. 

There might be a few projects that just sit and stall to wait it out, but I think most may still progress forward. Nashville is red hot and it is THE city to build in at the present time.

 

 

[UrbanWes03]

12 hours ago, jjbradleyBrooklyn said:

Yeah, agreed--it appears that way from an outsiders point of view on my end, too. I'd say Q4 2022 at the earliest, and probably Q1-Q2 of 2023 for there to be "shovels in the ground," based on what I've read here and heard. 

Once all of these projects get going in this roundabout area though, there will be 6-8 cranes there. 

I do think of every city in the US to weather a recession if it arrives, Nashville will be the best to come out just as strong with its development projects, as pre-recession. I think it's a top 5 city to still do very well, new development-wise. 

There might be a few projects that just sit and stall to wait it out, but I think most may still progress forward. Nashville is red hot and it is THE city to build in at the present time.

 

 

I hope you’re right. I’ve been thinking about this recently and have been a bit worried some of the projects we are most looking forward to might stall or fall through. That’s why I want them all to get started before they have a chance to do that lol. That being said I do agree that Nashville is a very strong and resilient market and still poised for a ton of development and hopefully we’ll see similar trends we saw during the pandemic where growth still progresses even during an economic downturn. I’m just hoping most projects will only briefly stall rather than be cancelled all together if a slowdown does occur.  

[PruneTracy]

On 7/2/2022 at 10:29 AM, thenorthchannel said:

When I look closer today … could it be buried power lines?

On 7/2/2022 at 1:20 PM, Bos2Nash said:

If definitely appears to be electrical of some kind. It could be actual power, it could also be fiber optics for internet, it could be everything. That is a fair amount of conduit.

It looks like telecom; power would be encased in concrete, not backfilled with bedding. The conduits would also not be touching or crossing over each other.

If someone wants to peek over the barriers and read the manhole covers that would settle it. I'm not going, it's too hot outside.

[smeagolsfree]

It looks as if this vault is for utilities of some sort. Note the smaller holes in the lower part of the concrete vault. Looks as if they are not for sewer, thats for sure.

[nashville born]

On 7/1/2022 at 8:31 PM, MontanaGuy said:

Seeing all of those sewer pipes stacked up in the photo makes me think this is going to be a few months at least!  What I'm really concerned about is what's happening with the economy and I'd sure feel better if a few more of these projects got started!

Could we be looking at a deja vu situation.  The economy nabbed the 750 ft version of Signature Tower when it was set to pass AT&T.  Now, might it also nab 1010 Church as it attempts to unseat AT&T?  If it does, I'll be convinced  that Batman knows voodoo.

[jjbradleyBrooklyn]

4 minutes ago, nashville born said:

Could we be looking at a deja vu situation.  The economy nabbed the 750 ft version of Signature Tower when it was set to pass AT&T.  Now, might it also nab 1010 Church as it attempts to unseat AT&T?  If it does, I'll be convinced  that Batman knows voodoo.

Haha! The AT&T has a hold on the tallest title maybe? 

I honestly think 1010 Church will be built. Residential is in huge demand downtown, and it will only increase. Plus, if this recession happens, I don't think it will be nearly as bad as the one from '07-08. 

I like to think Nashville can mostly weather a recession, due to its red hot status of the "it city" right now. 

BUT some developments are just not immune to instability and I definitely think there will be some projects that succumb to the current and future financial landscape, unfortunately.

If I were a betting man, I'd say a couple of these projects surrounding the sticks will be shelved. I think the Ritz gets built for sure. Circle South--that one worries me.

 

[Rick Dalton]

Commodity prices are dropping like crazy lately. Should be good for construction costs…

[smeagolsfree]

You have to remember to look three or four years into the future, not next year or the year after.  That is a mistake a lot of developers make when planning projects during a recession or with the threat of a recession looming. 

During the 08 recession, Austin was relatively untouched and was full steam ahead and I think Nashville will be in the same category this time around if it happens. The best thing that could happen is if the housing market cooled a bit and rents dropped in Nashville. The units would fill even quicker. 

These developers are still making money and most of them are not here for the long term. They will sell when the price is right. It does not matter if it is apartments, office, or hotels.

[Argo]

On 8/8/2022 at 7:43 PM, downtownresident said:

Of all the roundabout towers I’m most concerned about Circle South. They haven’t even started the process of obtaining their foundation / building permits. 

Maybe the sewer project is still ongoing.

[smeagolsfree]

Downtown Resident sent this to me day before yesterday or yesterday one.

Circle Souths sewer work is finally moving forward. 

https://epermits.nashville.gov/#/permit/3753670?searchCode=APN&page=2&searchText=09310006000&searchType=permit&orderBy=fullAddress ASC,permitNumber ASC

 

This project consists of the abandonment of approximately 123 linear feet of 8-inch sanitary sewer and the construction of approximately 42 linear feet of 18-inch sanitary sewer (DIP), 240 linear feet of 15-inch sanitary sewer (PVC), and two (2) sanitary sewer manholes to serve the Circle South development.

Parcel/Address

Address	514 8th Ave S
	NASHVILLE TN 37203
APN	09310005700

Address	410 8th Ave S
	NASHVILLE TN 37203
APN	09310007000

Address	500 8th Ave S
	NASHVILLE TN 37203
APN	09310006000

Address	522 8th Ave S
	NASHVILLE TN 37203
APN	09314059500

Contacts

PROPERTY OWNER

Company

CIRCLE SOUTH PARTNERS, LLC

Title

20180925 0094663

Address

111 MTCS RD

MURFREESBORO,TN 37129

PERMIT/LICENSE APPLICANT

Company

Ragan-Smith-Associates, Inc

Name

Michael Williams

Address

315 WOODLAND ST

NASHVILLE,TN 37206

RESPONSIBLE PARTY

Company

Ragan-Smith-Associates, Inc

Name

Michael Williams

Address

315 WOODLAND ST

NASHVILLE,TN 37206

PERMIT/LICENSE APPLICANT

Company

CIRCLE SOUTH HOLDINGS LLC

Name

CIRCLE SOUTH HOLDINGS LLC

Address

512 8TH AVE

NASHVILLE,TN

RESPONSIBLE PARTY

Company

CIRCLE SOUTH HOLDINGS LLC

Name

CIRCLE SOUTH HOLDINGS LLC

Address

512 8TH AVE

NASHVILLE,TN

Contractors

 

Related Permits

PERMIT #	TYPE	RELATION
T2019073021	SEWERCAP - WS Sewer Capacity Fee	Parent

Reviews / Inspections

TYPE	DESCRIPTION	STATUS	COMPLETED BY	COMPLETED
REVIEW	WS - Pre-construction Meeting (Public Project Review)	APPROVED	Gilbert, Penny	Aug 3, 2022
	Meeting held 8/1/2022 with Mitchell Plumbing as contractor and Tim Mathis as inspector.
	Correction - Meeting held 7/29/2022 with Civil Constructors as contractor and Ken Jenkins as inspector.
REVIEW	WS - Out to Customer (Plan Set Needed)	WSRCVD	Gilbert, Penny	Aug 3, 2022
REVIEW	WS - Under Technical Review	APPROVED	Moore, Gabriel	Apr 19, 2021
REVIEW	WS - Out to Customer (Technical Review)	WSRCVD	Mishu, Charissa	Mar 30, 2021
REVIEW	WS - Under Technical Review	RETURNED	Moore, Gabriel	Mar 12, 2021
REVIEW	WS - Out to Customer (Technical Review)	WSRCVD	Mishu, Charissa	Feb 19, 2021
REVIEW	WS - Under Technical Review	RETURNED	Moore, Gabriel	Jan 8, 2021
REVIEW	WS - Out to Customer (Technical Review)	WSRCVD	Mishu, Charissa	Dec 10, 2020
REVIEW	WS - Under Technical Review	RETURNED	Birch, Kyle	Feb 26, 2020
	02/26/2020 Please address markups sent via ftp. KB
REVIEW	TDEC Notice	YES	Gilbert, Penny	Aug 3, 2022
	Construction start date 8/10/2022
	Correction - start date 7/29/2022

 

[UrbanWes03]

It lives!

[smeagolsfree]

4 minutes ago, UrbanWes03 said:

It lives!

And with all of the buildings on the roundabout.............

[MLBrumby]

49 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Downtown Resident sent this to me day before yesterday or yesterday one.

Circle Souths sewer work is finally moving forward. 

https://epermits.nashville.gov/#/permit/3753670?searchCode=APN&page=2&searchText=09310006000&searchType=permit&orderBy=fullAddress ASC,permitNumber ASC

 

This project consists of the abandonment of approximately 123 linear feet of 8-inch sanitary sewer and the construction of approximately 42 linear feet of 18-inch sanitary sewer (DIP), 240 linear feet of 15-inch sanitary sewer (PVC), and two (2) sanitary sewer manholes to serve the Circle South development.

Parcel/Address

Address	514 8th Ave S
	NASHVILLE TN 37203
APN	09310005700

 

Address	410 8th Ave S
	NASHVILLE TN 37203
APN	09310007000

 

Address	500 8th Ave S
	NASHVILLE TN 37203
APN	09310006000

 

Address	522 8th Ave S
	NASHVILLE TN 37203
APN	09314059500

 

Contacts

PROPERTY OWNER

Company

CIRCLE SOUTH PARTNERS, LLC

Title

20180925 0094663

Address

111 MTCS RD

MURFREESBORO,TN 37129

PERMIT/LICENSE APPLICANT

Company

Ragan-Smith-Associates, Inc

Name

Michael Williams

Address

315 WOODLAND ST

NASHVILLE,TN 37206

RESPONSIBLE PARTY

Company

Ragan-Smith-Associates, Inc

Name

Michael Williams

Address

315 WOODLAND ST

NASHVILLE,TN 37206

PERMIT/LICENSE APPLICANT

Company

CIRCLE SOUTH HOLDINGS LLC

Name

CIRCLE SOUTH HOLDINGS LLC

Address

512 8TH AVE

NASHVILLE,TN

RESPONSIBLE PARTY

Company

CIRCLE SOUTH HOLDINGS LLC

Name

CIRCLE SOUTH HOLDINGS LLC

Address

512 8TH AVE

NASHVILLE,TN

Contractors

 

Related Permits

PERMIT #	TYPE	RELATION
T2019073021	SEWERCAP - WS Sewer Capacity Fee	Parent

Reviews / Inspections

TYPE	DESCRIPTION	STATUS	COMPLETED BY	COMPLETED
REVIEW	WS - Pre-construction Meeting (Public Project Review)	APPROVED	Gilbert, Penny	Aug 3, 2022
	Meeting held 8/1/2022 with Mitchell Plumbing as contractor and Tim Mathis as inspector.
	Correction - Meeting held 7/29/2022 with Civil Constructors as contractor and Ken Jenkins as inspector.
REVIEW	WS - Out to Customer (Plan Set Needed)	WSRCVD	Gilbert, Penny	Aug 3, 2022
REVIEW	WS - Under Technical Review	APPROVED	Moore, Gabriel	Apr 19, 2021
REVIEW	WS - Out to Customer (Technical Review)	WSRCVD	Mishu, Charissa	Mar 30, 2021
REVIEW	WS - Under Technical Review	RETURNED	Moore, Gabriel	Mar 12, 2021
REVIEW	WS - Out to Customer (Technical Review)	WSRCVD	Mishu, Charissa	Feb 19, 2021
REVIEW	WS - Under Technical Review	RETURNED	Moore, Gabriel	Jan 8, 2021
REVIEW	WS - Out to Customer (Technical Review)	WSRCVD	Mishu, Charissa	Dec 10, 2020
REVIEW	WS - Under Technical Review	RETURNED	Birch, Kyle	Feb 26, 2020
	02/26/2020 Please address markups sent via ftp. KB
REVIEW	TDEC Notice	YES	Gilbert, Penny	Aug 3, 2022
	Construction start date 8/10/2022
	Correction - start date 7/29/2022

 

Smeags, do you know the duration of the construction on the sewer and if it's possible for CS to get started before the sewer work is finished?  Also, do you know if the residential tower adjacent to CS will be started at the same time as the office tower?