Violent Crime in Charlotte

[KJHburg]

there are about 600 open murder cases in Charlotte over the years so reports Axios.  Here are 3 they highlight

https://charlotte.axios.com/304219/3-unsolved-cases-that-still-hold-charlottes-attention/      My question is where is this suspected burial site of Kyle who went missing in 2007 and reputedly under some apartment site in NoDa.  the apartments were under construction back then.  anyone know where that could be or where they are talking about?  

Edited August 3, 2022 by KJHburg

[kermit]

1 hour ago, KJHburg said:

there are about 600 open murder cases in Charlotte over the years so reports Axios.  Here are 3 they highlight

https://charlotte.axios.com/304219/3-unsolved-cases-that-still-hold-charlottes-attention/      My question is where is this suspected burial site of Kyle who went missing in 2007 and reputedly under some apartment site in NoDa.  the apartments were under construction back then.  anyone know where that could be or where they are talking about?  

IIRC it was Edgeline Flats at Davidson and 15th. 

[videtur quam contuor]

All death is tragic, none more so than another. This I recall and never solved. Some say a police employee knew something and preferred to remain silent.

https://704shop.com/blogs/fact-friday/fact-friday-174-the-outlaws-motorcycle-gang-massacre

[tozmervo]

10 hours ago, kermit said:

IIRC it was Edgeline Flats at Davidson and 15th. 

This. That was originally under construction as condos when the 2008 crash happened, and it sat partially built and vacant for several years. 

[Matthew.Brendan]

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/person-taken-hospital-after-shooting-uptown-charlotte-officials-say/FAK7ZHNHING6DDJW3OGUIEJ74U/

6pm on N. Tryon

He said the woman walking down the street and carrying a long weapon opened fire.

“At which point, she raises the gun,” said the chef who did not want his face shown on TV. “I duck down in my passenger seat. A group of shots rings out. I hear glass breaking immediately, which is my car being shot.”

A barrage of rounds struck the chef’s car several times on the driver’s side.

“There’s a pause,” he said. “Another volley of shots, at which point I hear my rear windshield being shot.”

The chef said a bystander then tackled the shooter.

“People start screaming once they see gun,” the chef said. “He grabs her to try and wrestle the gun away from her to try to wrestle her around.”

The bystander was shot, the chef said.

“I was thinking the man who tackled her was probably in very bad shape, and I felt terrible for him,” he said.

The chef, who was not injured, said that person likely saved his life.

CMPD said the two shooting victims’ injuries were not life-threatening.

 

[DonkeyKong]

1 hour ago, Matthew.Brendan said:

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/person-taken-hospital-after-shooting-uptown-charlotte-officials-say/FAK7ZHNHING6DDJW3OGUIEJ74U/

6pm on N. Tryon

He said the woman walking down the street and carrying a long weapon opened fire.

“At which point, she raises the gun,” said the chef who did not want his face shown on TV. “I duck down in my passenger seat. A group of shots rings out. I hear glass breaking immediately, which is my car being shot.”

A barrage of rounds struck the chef’s car several times on the driver’s side.

“There’s a pause,” he said. “Another volley of shots, at which point I hear my rear windshield being shot.”

The chef said a bystander then tackled the shooter.

“People start screaming once they see gun,” the chef said. “He grabs her to try and wrestle the gun away from her to try to wrestle her around.”

The bystander was shot, the chef said.

“I was thinking the man who tackled her was probably in very bad shape, and I felt terrible for him,” he said.

The chef, who was not injured, said that person likely saved his life.

CMPD said the two shooting victims’ injuries were not life-threatening.

 

This is crazy!

[videtur quam contuor]

How many shootings are emotionally stable people evaluating the situation, considering alternatives, attempting to resolve issues in various ways and then resorting to gun violence once the risk/reward proportion tilts in their favor?

This situation above is more like how most of these arise. The reason I do not take out a convenience store is not because I have determined that the inevitable risk to my health, reputation and freedom is on the line, it is that it never enters my mind to take out a 7-11.

[urbanlover568]

On 8/12/2022 at 12:34 PM, Matthew.Brendan said:

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/person-taken-hospital-after-shooting-uptown-charlotte-officials-say/FAK7ZHNHING6DDJW3OGUIEJ74U/

6pm on N. Tryon

He said the woman walking down the street and carrying a long weapon opened fire.

“At which point, she raises the gun,” said the chef who did not want his face shown on TV. “I duck down in my passenger seat. A group of shots rings out. I hear glass breaking immediately, which is my car being shot.”

A barrage of rounds struck the chef’s car several times on the driver’s side.

“There’s a pause,” he said. “Another volley of shots, at which point I hear my rear windshield being shot.”

The chef said a bystander then tackled the shooter.

“People start screaming once they see gun,” the chef said. “He grabs her to try and wrestle the gun away from her to try to wrestle her around.”

The bystander was shot, the chef said.

“I was thinking the man who tackled her was probably in very bad shape, and I felt terrible for him,” he said.

The chef, who was not injured, said that person likely saved his life.

CMPD said the two shooting victims’ injuries were not life-threatening.

 

I'm all for Psychiatric hospital's coming back with strict government oversight compared to no oversight before. If someone's a danger to themselves or others, they shouldn't be in jail, but a place that can rehabilitate and evaluate them. 

[SydneyCarton]

I saw this chart recently which highlighted certain cities.  I wonder where Charlotte stands in comparison to Atlanta.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2022 by SydneyCarton

[kermit]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

I saw this chart recently which highlighted certain cities.  I wonder where Charlotte stands in comparison to Atlanta.

Couldn't find the rate but in 2021 CMPD reported 98 homicides, I get a rate per 100,000 of 8.9 from that number. Probably slightly less than Los Angeles on the list and much lower (1/3rd?) than Atlanta.

https://charlottenc.gov/newsroom/cityhighlights/Pages/2021-Crime-Report.aspx

[SydneyCarton]

Charlotte is a lot safer than Atlanta and Dallas.  It’s also a lot safer than Durham.  It’s about the same as Nashville.

Surprisingly, Raleigh is  a lot safer than Charlotte.

The amazing place though is NY, which has the best police department in America.  Every major city could learn something from it.

https://wallethub.com/edu/cities-homicide-rate/94070

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2022 by SydneyCarton

[KJHburg]

I am just back from a 4000 mile plus road trip but last night I was in a suburb of Jackson MS.  Inside their city limits they have a murder rate of 100 per 100,000 people.  Something about that I-55 corridor from New Orleans to Jackson to Memphis to St Louis all some of the worst murder rates per capita.  They had a murder while I was there and I was just there overnight. 

(I am glad I stayed in the suburbs!)

https://www.wlbt.com/2022/01/01/analysis-jacksons-rate-killings-per-capita-ranks-highest-us/

closer to home Raleigh has always had a lower murder and crime rate than Charlotte and nearby Cary is one of the top 10 safest cities in the USA over 100,000 people. 

[SydneyCarton]

23 hours ago, KJHburg said:

I am just back from a 4000 mile plus road trip but last night I was in a suburb of Jackson MS.  Inside their city limits they have a murder rate of 100 per 100,000 people.  Something about that I-55 corridor from New Orleans to Jackson to Memphis to St Louis all some of the worst murder rates per capita.  They had a murder while I was there and I was just there overnight. 

(I am glad I stayed in the suburbs!)

https://www.wlbt.com/2022/01/01/analysis-jacksons-rate-killings-per-capita-ranks-highest-us/

closer to home Raleigh has always had a lower murder and crime rate than Charlotte and nearby Cary is one of the top 10 safest cities in the USA over 100,000 people. 

Durham is a mess though.  DT Durham is nice, but crime in Durham overall is a disaster.

For that matter, there have been five murders in CH this year, which I find shocking having moved here from Myers Park where there is no violent crime.

Overall, the South and the Midwest have the highest crime rates.  All cities should study  NY because they’re clearly doing something right.

Edited September 30, 2022 by SydneyCarton

[SydneyCarton]

Crime in the US is out of control.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article266795331.html

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by SydneyCarton

[kermit]

33 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Crime in the US is out of control.

The data indicates this is not the case. But thanks to everyone carrying a video camera in their pocket, crime is much more visible than ever before.

[SydneyCarton]

I know that Charlotte and  Durham have a lot of violent crime.  In the region,  Atlanta is totally out of control.  I think that it’s a huge problem.

[kermit]

On 10/4/2022 at 6:31 PM, SydneyCarton said:

I know that Charlotte and  Durham have a lot of violent crime.  In the region,  Atlanta is totally out of control.  I think that it’s a huge problem.

Having grown up in Durham (my parents still live there), spending much of the 1990s adjacent to Atlanta (my girlfriend lived four blocks from the 'murder Kroger'), and living in intown Charlotte for the past 20+ years I can say with certainty that all three places are MUCH safer than they were 25 years ago. Based on my experience (which is supported by data) the statement that crime is 'out of control' in any of these places is, at best,  missing important historical context. At worst, the statement is just outright propaganda.

Edited October 6, 2022 by kermit

[KJHburg]

Yes Atlanta surely has had spates of terrible crime  in the past but here are the stats in the last decade and crime is indeed on the rise in Atlanta especially murders and assaults.  Property crime is way down. 

https://33n.atlantaregional.com/friday-factday/atlanta-crime-in-historical-perspective-2009-2021

Crime is indeed down in Charlotte in 2021 

https://charlottenc.gov/newsroom/cityhighlights/Pages/2021-Crime-Report.aspx

crime in Durham is up (at least through this 2018 graph)

https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/nc/durham/murder-homicide-rate-statistics

Homicides in Durham did increase in 2021 according to local reports

https://abc11.com/durham-crime-murder-rate-spike-in-homicides-police/11544529/

 

some of the randomness of crime recently nationwide is what seems to be upsetting many people. 

[Popsickle]

1 hour ago, kermit said:

The data indicates this is not the case. But thanks to everyone carrying a video camera in their pocket, crime is much more visible than ever before.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/27/politics/uniform-crime-report-2020/index.html
 

 

[kermit]

[JRCLT]

An example of data manipulation … in this thread. Woah!

[SydneyCarton]

I find incidents like this to be distressing.

 

[KJHburg]

Not a violent crime but one this area remembers even after 25 years.  the hillbilly heist of Loomis Fargo 

https://www.gastongazette.com/story/news/2022/10/04/loomis-fargo-heist-history-in-charlotte/69538309007/

[tozmervo]

It's like one Facebook post in a neighborhood of 450+ homes claiming a package was stolen from their front porch and everyone in the group declaring it a "crime spree" and saying walls and gates should be built at every entrance. Upon further examination the package was just left at the wrong house. It's psychopathic. 

[15895]

13 hours ago, JeanClt said:

An example of data manipulation … in this thread. Woah!

It's so infuriating how people twist and manipulate data against certain areas that as soon as it gets debunked or explained, they just jump right next to "what about" without even acknowledging the facts  within the same sentence. It's like wack-a-mole and there are real consequences to this constant torrent of falsehoods & ignorance (I don't mean willful ignorance but rather when people here something repeated over and over, they tend to believe it and they themselves spread it). We can see tangible consequences - most visibly in election denying which is becoming a legitimate concern for democracy when people think Philadelphia's votes, for example, are lies. That Philadelphia should be monitored and watched and examined. That Detroit, Atlanta. None of them can properly run elections, it can't be true. Our democracy almost collapsed literally due to the belief that Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit, etc. conspired to steal the election...

Also, as people who are typically to the left or at very least all are pro-urban... I wouldn't be so quick to parrot these talking points about San Francisco, Seattle, etc. because at the end of the day, some of the most derided cities in America by typically the right and with talking points repeated so much it becomes assumed to be true. But those cities tend to have things that Charlotte needs and deserves. Density, bike infrastructure, retail, most things that people want from Charlotte, those cities have and with that comes big city problems. Where does one see the most homeless in Charlotte? Besides a few highway ramps, it's typically Uptown Charlotte. Where do people mix the most with lower-income and people of colour in Charlotte? Typically uptown. What is one of the areas that is a boogeyman of uptown? the Transportation Centre. State and suburban leaders point to that as Charlotte's failures. The same thing the Seattle's are derided for on a national scale, Charlotte is derided for on a state scale. When Charlotte sued North Carolina and had a restraining order against the state when the state tried to take over the airport, the state used the same rhetoric to justify why Charlotte wasn't fit to run the airport.  Why did NC pass laws that micromanaged how much taxes the city could raise for mass transit or restrict certain zoning requirements? Because of the same rhetoric that Seattle gets on a national scale. 

Beyond the very real and tangible effects of constantly making cities out to be a boogeyman, it's also worth noting that some of the biggest booms in urbanity are coming from those "libtard" cities. Their urban development is very impressive, booming even while their metro populations may be slowing or even if the city growth is anemic or even not growing; their urban growth is on fire and eclipsing most boom towns in other states and regions. They're building more developments, more towers, more mass transit, more density, etc. Those cities aren't really losing the largest corporations. They're maintaining if not the HQ's, large footprints in say the Bay area or NY, etc. The portfolio of top-tier headquarters and prestigious firms HQ-ed in some of those cities aren't going away anytime soon. there's just a lot to enjoy in the Seattle's of the US and I wouldn't be so quick to follow the looting/rioting narrative. Because on the state-level, Charlotte gets victim of that too and well.

And those who parrot the "those liberal cities" fist shaking narratives... better hope Cooper wins in 2024 because to remind folks of when McCrory was governor.... Charlotte got screwed left and right. More devastating than limiting taxes Charlotte can levy, taking away the airport (and splitting control of the airport between Meck and Suburban counties), etc. McCrory & the State threatened to yank funds (which would cause federal government to pull funds) from the Blue Line extension that was mostly built and threatened to mothball it (see other states where no matter how far along a project gets, they've pulled the plug before) if Charlotte dared used property taxes to build streetcar. Also don't forget the "Redistribution" bill that McCrory veto-ed but the state GOP just barely lacked the votes to override his veto that would've slashed Mecklenburg's tax revenue by well over 25% (which would've been a worse loss in tax revenue for Mecklenburg and Charlotte than the great recession) that would've led to closed libraries etc.) while increasing the tax revenue by some neighboring counties by hundreds of percent (because it wasn't fair Mecklenburg had so much tax revenue when Lincoln County, for example, needed more for schools, etc.). Those are the kinds of policies one gets with the "scary liberal city" narrative (which Charlotte is in NC.)

Edited October 5, 2022 by AirNostrumMAD