The Coronavirus thread

[davidclt]

1 minute ago, gman430 said:

Watching CNN is hilarious right now. LOL. They’re freaking out because people aren’t sheltering in place in San Francisco. I say GOOD for the people going out and living their normal lives. Stop letting the Trump hating media brainwash you. 

I hope this ages better than I fear it will. 

[gman430]

10 minutes ago, davidclt said:

I hope this ages better than I fear it will. 

Yeah, they showed live footage of tons of people jogging, running, holding hands, talking close together, etc. along the water there. It was hilarious watching them freak out. The general public is not being fooled by their agenda. 

Edited March 18, 2020 by gman430

[elrodvt]

You did see Trump now backs this all up now right? And the media fake reported the prior month of dithering about aimlessly? Turns out it was always really serious.

 

[videtur quam contuor]

Government, usually municipal and state, has ALWAYS had the option of closing restaurants for health reasons. The difference this time is that ALL of them are unhealthy environments.

[elrodvt]

That propublica piece is good. I know atrium is contacting people with optional procedures to see if they will defer. If they don't then I guess those folks will be forced to. Not the press Atrium and Novant want to have when the scapegoat pols come out. From a Charlotte perceptive we should be a blip as the focus is bound to be major cities and Florida.

[urbanlover568]

Casinos are closed in Las Vegas now.

[elrodvt]

1 hour ago, tarhoosier said:

Government, usually municipal and state, has ALWAYS had the option of closing restaurants for health reasons. The difference this time is that ALL of them are unhealthy environments.

A bit off topic but you all must remember the Tillis bit about which regulations he proposed removing in his small government pitch; which was undoubtedly created by some national PAC or another? He gave "requiring hand washing in restaurants" as his case in point. I assume that was foot in mouth disease and seem to recall he retracted later. It does show the perspective some folks start with as a baseline though. My wife and I just moved here and were thinking boy have I made a mistake.  then he got elected and fortunately, from my stand point, he disappeared into the swamp. That was so weird how his opponent died afterwards. Very sad

[gman430]

I’ll probably get a lot of hate for this post but honestly I feel like trying to fight this virus off is a lost cause now. It’s just too spread out all over the world. It’s in 155 countries. How do you stop something like that without a vaccine? Is it even possible? 

These countries including our own are spending way too much money and resources than it’s worth. Also, look at what it’s doing to the economy. People are losing their jobs left and right. We’re gonna be in a very bad recession if not depression before the end of the month at this rate. I know it’s sad people will die but I just feel like it’s for the best now until a vaccine gets developed and approved for use. Save the economy and let this virus run its course I say. 

Edited March 18, 2020 by gman430

[elrodvt]

Your entitled to your view. It's a very selfish one to me though and you hopefully are missing the entire point of the curve flattening. Don't you have any compassion at least for the elders in your own family? Are you really happy with the idea of Nana dying laying on a cot in a parking lot with no help and saying "oh well" we had to save money after all? That's not reflective of what we think of ourselves as nation.

A breakdown in our health care and our society will lead to panic and I can almost assure you that you will hate the choices made. We want a free media but also will not allow irresponsible behaviour. The whole no "yelling fire" argument.

Btw, here is a read on how we wasted months doing nothing much:

 POLITICO: 'It's going to disappear': Trump's changing tone on coronavirus.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/17/how-trump-shifted-his-tone-on-coronavirus-134246

Off topic: In my view the "look a squirrel" act will eventually become persona non grata. This crisis might be what causes that self introspection to begin. Fox,MSNBC,CNN may all eventually end up as roadkill. Facebook ia already in a perilous place.

[TCLT]

I’ll probably get a lot of hate for this post but honestly I feel like trying to fight this virus off is a lost cause now. It’s just too spread out all over the world. It’s in 155 countries. How do you stop something like that without a vaccine? Is it even possible? 
These countries including our own are spending way too much money and resources than it’s worth. Also, look at what it’s doing to the economy. People are losing their jobs left and right. We’re gonna be in a very bad recession if not depression before the end of the month at this rate. I know it’s sad people will die but I just feel like it’s for the best now until a vaccine gets developed and approved for use. Save the economy and let this virus run its course I say. 

I just don’t understand how people can be so cavalier and selfish about all this. We’re not trying to stop it anymore. All of these drastic actions are to slow the transmission of the virus and prevent the healthcare system from being overwhelmed and collapsing under the weight of millions of cases all at once. You must’ve heard the phrase “flatten the curve” at some point over the last week. Thousands of people dying is probably inevitable at this point, but if the medical system is overwhelmed that number could turn into tens or hundreds of thousands. Plus all the people that’ll die of heart attack, stroke, normal flu, and everything else that can usually be treated. If 1/4 of the population is too sick to work at once and no one can get medical care the damage to the economy and society is going to be even worse.

And the sad thing is if what’s being done works to slow the spread and save lives, people like gman are going to say it wasn’t necessary and an overreaction because so few people died.

[gman430]

And when do we try and flatten the curve for the flu? I see that never gets done any year. Just sayin. 

By the way, the vast majority of people that get Coronavirus show very little symptoms and are perfectly fine.

Edited March 18, 2020 by gman430

[TCLT]

And when do we try and flatten the curve for the flu? I see that never gets done any year. Just sayin. 
By the way, the vast majority of people that get Coronavirus show very little symptoms and are perfectly fine so in the world would the hospitals be overrun? 

Uhhhhh that curve has already been flattened. Vaccine, antivirals, and herd immunity. Seasonal flu is understood and under control and well within the capacity of the medical system to deal with. There’s only 1 million total ICU beds in the US and they’re typically 80% occupied. 10% of confirmed cases require ICU treatment. Start doing the math.

I honestly can’t believe there are still people out there ignorant enough to keep comparing this to the seasonal flu.

[urbanlover568]

Obtained by @nytimes:  @HHSGov #COVID19 response plan assumes #coronavirus pandemic “will last 18 months or longer and could include multiple waves of illness.” https://t.co/2tIhFDsaaN

[Madison Parkitect]

12 minutes ago, urbanlover568 said:

Obtained by @nytimes:  @HHSGov #COVID19 response plan assumes #coronavirus pandemic “will last 18 months or longer and could include multiple waves of illness.” https://t.co/2tIhFDsaaN

If that comes true then it could be the end of the modern economy as we know it. Everything will change.

[videtur quam contuor]

1 hour ago, gman430 said:

And when do we try and flatten the curve for the flu? I see that never gets done any year. Just sayin. 

By the way, the vast majority of people that get Coronavirus show very little symptoms and are perfectly fine.

Do you read the other posts in this thread than your own? The mortality for this virus is far greater than for seasonal flu. I posted some numbers earlier to give an idea of how serious this is. The numbers are grim. PLUS, the impact on health care facilities with the dramatically increased number of serious condition patients. An overwhelmed medical system becomes useless, as we see in Italy. I assume you are taking your information from selected sources rather than authorities, especially since countries all over the world are doing the same things, governors and mayors, all public health officials. Your opinion is right and everyone in the world with knowledge and experience is wrong.

Please wash your hands thoroughly several times a day. Limit contacts to a minimum. Follow recommendations from health experts. If you will not do this at least stay in Greenville and away from Charlotte.

[Tyrone Wiggum]

Atrium, Novant, Wake Baptist, and numerous other health systems in North Carolina have or will cancel elective surgeries beginning this week.  Epidemiologists are quarantining people who've been in Seattle and New York in the last two weeks out of an abundance of caution.  My doctor, who is the chief medical officer of a major health system, is doing everything but carrying around a megaphone telling people to take this seriously.

But, what the hell do doctors know? @gman430 is here to tell us they're all a bunch of idiots and that "it's my hot body I do what I want" is the correct posture.

In the spirit of both sides, who can say who's right?  99.9% of climate scientists who believe in global warming, or the 0.1% of Bob Jones grads and a weatherman who don't?  99.9% of biologists who believe in Evolution, or Bob Jones grads and Ken Ham? The entire medical profession, or GMan?

You just can't say.  Because both sides.

[urbanlover568]

Mecklenburg could soon be under ‘shelter-in-place’ order, county health director says

[Dale]

13 hours ago, gman430 said:

Watching CNN is hilarious right now. LOL. They’re freaking out because people aren’t sheltering in place in San Francisco. I say GOOD for the people going out and living their normal lives. Stop letting the Trump hating media brainwash you. 

San Franciscans not handling socialism well.

Edited March 18, 2020 by Dale

[TCLT]

This forum desperately needs downvotes back smdh.

[urbanlover568]

.@ford says it has temporarily closed its Michigan Assembly Plant final assembly building after an employee tested positive for COVID-19. Ford will thoroughly clean and disinfect the building

[elrodvt]

LOL TCLT. the libertarian crowd seems so immature. Read Ayn Rand and you're set for life. Didn't work out for Paul Ryan though did it?

Edited March 18, 2020 by elrodvt

[urbanlover568]

1 minute ago, elrodvt said:

LOL TCLT. the libertarian crowd seems so immature. Read Ayn Rand and you're set for life. Didn't work out for the Paul Ryan though did it?

Haha I'm Libertarian. Not all of us are radical 

NOW: "There are concerning reports coming out of France and Italy about some young people getting seriously ill and very seriously ill in the ICUs," says Dr. Deborah Birx, White House Coronavirus Task Force Response Coordinator. #COVID19 

[SouthEndCLT811]

Not sure if this has been shared but here is a map Bing is aggregating from health orgs around the world.

https://bing.com/covid

Bad news is of the 223 cases that are no longer classified as "active" in the US,  117 are because the person died, 106 recovered. 

[urbanlover568]

Human trials have begun!!

[elrodvt]

1 hour ago, urbanlover568 said:

Haha I'm Libertarian. Not all of us are radical 

NOW: "There are concerning reports coming out of France and Italy about some young people getting seriously ill and very seriously ill in the ICUs," says Dr. Deborah Birx, White House Coronavirus Task Force Response Coordinator. #COVID19 

I know and Half want gold the other Half just want to burn the fed. Then there's the group who think we should only have to pay for fire protection when we have a fire. You have to admit it's an odd bunch. The wall street protests in Denver were a hoot because of them. Until DPD pulled out their military hardware and gassed folks, including myself who was just there for the amusement of it all.

I wouldn't get to excited by trials. The path to availability is a year or more and it may have mutated enough by then to not be very effective anyhow. Who knows now in the exciting post crisper world though. If nothing else a lot of people will have developed some degree of immunity thus resulting in a more normal flu profile.

Edited March 18, 2020 by elrodvt