110 East: 23 story Tower by Stiles/Shorenstein

[SydneyCarton]

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/development/article257322507.html

 

23-story, $186 million tower to break ground later this month in booming South End BY GORDON RAGO JANUARY 18, 2022 6:20 AM

Edited January 18, 2022 by SydneyCarton

[DMann]

Someone needs to tell the Observer to update their pictures of the Lowes tower.

[Blue_Devil]

5 minutes ago, DMann said:

Someone needs to tell the Observer to update their pictures of the Lowes tower.

I also feel like this has broken ground already? Observer is dated all over.

[TheRealClayton]

50 minutes ago, DMann said:

Someone needs to tell the Observer to update their pictures of the Lowes tower.

The Observer just posts what the developer gives them they don't create their own renderings

45 minutes ago, Blue_Devil said:

I also feel like this has broken ground already? Observer is dated all over.

It has not had its official gold shovels in ground, governor and mayor in town, leaders of all the partners type of ground breaking yet.

[RANYC]

8 hours ago, TheRealClayton said:

The Observer just posts what the developer gives them they don't create their own renderings

It has not had its official gold shovels in ground, governor and mayor in town, leaders of all the partners type of ground breaking yet.

In my relatively short history in Charlotte, I find the Governor and mayor don't meet and celebrate a ground-breaking unless a large tenant with X number of new jobs is being announced or has been announced and is associated with the structure starting construction.  Is a tenant announcement for this site imminent?

Edited January 18, 2022 by RANYC

[KJHburg]

Just now, RANYC said:

In my relatively short history in Charlotte, I find the Governor and mayor don't meet and celebrate a ground-breaking unless a large tenant with X number of jobs is being announced or has been announced and is associated with the structure starting construction.  Is a tenant announcement for this site imminent?

that would be correct.  Maybe the mayor would come but unless there is a big tenant new to the market lined up the Governor is not coming.  

[RANYC]

13 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/development/article257322507.html

 

23-story, $186 million tower to break ground later this month in booming South End BY GORDON RAGO JANUARY 18, 2022 6:20 AM

I find it odd that this Observer article mentions the 30-story apartment building to be built on the Price's chicken lot, but makes no mention of the imminent 24-story White Point Partners/Greystar building where demolition and site clearing have started, and which will be in the foreground of the rendering used.

[JRCLT]

52 minutes ago, RANYC said:

I find it odd that this Observer article mentions the 30-story apartment building to be built on the Price's chicken lot, but makes no mention of the imminent 24-story White Point Partners/Greystar building where demolition and site clearing have started, and which will be in the foreground of the rendering used.

Likely because those projects have a common developer (stiles).

[RANYC]

1 hour ago, JeanClt said:

Likely because those projects have a common developer (stiles).

Yes, I figured.  If you're going to simply parrot what a developer sends over, then label it an ad.

[TheRealClayton]

17 hours ago, RANYC said:

I find it odd that this Observer article mentions the 30-story apartment building to be built on the Price's chicken lot, but makes no mention of the imminent 24-story White Point Partners/Greystar building where demolition and site clearing have started, and which will be in the foreground of the rendering used.

Edit: I have learned I was incorrect.

Edited January 19, 2022 by TheRealClayton

[JacksonH]

On 1/18/2022 at 7:34 PM, RANYC said:

I find it odd that this Observer article mentions the 30-story apartment building to be built on the Price's chicken lot, but makes no mention of the imminent 24-story White Point Partners/Greystar building where demolition and site clearing have started, and which will be in the foreground of the rendering used.

Thank goodness it will be in the foreground, and hopefully, from at least that vantage point, will block the 110 East tower from view. 

[Mgelbach]

I have nothing add to the conversation other than a picture

[KJHburg]

@Mgelbach we will need this same shot over the next year or so as the tower rises.  Great shot!

[Mgelbach]

Just now, KJHburg said:

@Mgelbach we will need this same shot over the next year or so as the tower rises.  Great shot!

Consider it done!

[stw52]

Is there a downside on these larger building along Camden?  Will they cast the street into eternal shade making a nice walkable area less attractive?

[Norm2]

16 minutes ago, stw52 said:

Is there a downside on these larger building along Camden?  Will they cast the street into eternal shade making a nice walkable area less attractive?

Is Tryon, a nice walkable area in Uptown, any less attractive because they cast shade onto the street?

[Madison Parkitect]

20 minutes ago, stw52 said:

Is there a downside on these larger building along Camden?  Will they cast the street into eternal shade making a nice walkable area less attractive?

When it's 100 degrees for 2 weeks straight in August you're going to want that shade.

[TCLT]

Is there a downside on these larger building along Camden?  Will they cast the street into eternal shade making a nice walkable area less attractive?

The tracks and trail make this “canyon” much wider than a typical street so I doubt any shade will be eternal.

[KJHburg]

Getting my walks in and passed the newest tower site. Today. 

 

 

[RANYC]

Wasn't quite sure where to post this link, but decided on the 110 East thread given the scale of its parking podium right next to a light rail stop.

Today's bizjournal has an article about car-free developments, including a 17-acre one in Tempe, Arizona built by Culdesac, Inc.

This development intentionally excludes car-centricity in the design.  Result - more than 50% is open space and the accommodation for cars has been replaced by parks and plazas...you know, things that appeal to people's humanity.  Also, Culdesac has "inked" partnerships with Lyft, Bird, and local transit system for seamless package deals and discounts for residents.

Article also cites the Grubb properties project on the westside that will include 104-units and whose residents will be prohibited from owning a car.  A Grubb rep mentions that parking adds $15,000 - $40,000 per space to a project.  Basically a car tax.  So the UDO would include a tax cut if it eliminates parking requirements.

I'd like to know if a car-free concept is its own zoning designation in the UDO.  Should be in my opinion.  We should try to make this type of lifestyle product and its efficiency as easy as possible because it aligns with so many important strategic goals for our city AND county. 

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2022/01/31/car-free-development-projects-sun-belt.html

 

Edited January 31, 2022 by RANYC

[KJHburg]

Those were residential projects noted in that article  an office tower like this with the limited transit options we have is just not feasible to have no parking.  Uptown works as there are lots of private lots and garages but not the case in Southend.  this tower will draw workers from all over.  We have a one SW to NE transit line and everyone still must connect by bus in uptown.  

[RANYC]

15 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Those were residential projects noted in that article  an office tower like this with the limited transit options we have is just not feasible to have no parking.  Uptown works as there are lots of private lots and garages but not the case in Southend.  this tower will draw workers from all over.  We have a one SW to NE transit line and everyone still must connect by bus in uptown.  

I think the complaint of some on here is that transit-adjacent land is relatively scarce and each use of land has an opportunity cost.  If developers of 110 east wanted to build an intense office use in the form of a skyscraper, but that would accommodate cars for nearly all of its occupants, then why wasn't an alternative site selected that wasn't right on top of an expensive transit-capital investment by the taxpayer.  In a way, the placement of this building and its parking prominence sort of undermines an essential desired outcome of the public investment that was made.  So many sites all around Charlotte not on top of a transit line could surely have been used.  And what's worse, is this is just a speculative skyscraper, it's not even like a company has its sights set on the property and wants to imminently bring tons of jobs to that location.  

And I won't even get into the context-sensitivity of the design of this building, or the fact that it's an incredibly intense, auto-centric use in a compact area of somewhat narrow roads and pretty tight intersections.  I don't see how drawing in hundreds of cars for office work each day creates the walkable village, stroll-district feel that some would like for this party of South...this stretch of Camden.

Charlotte is maturing...it's densifying.  A growing share of its people see a collective stakeholdership in how property gets used and how that serves the built environment for all.  They're also not quite as interested in jobs at any cost, because if you put people first, then the labor that congregates here will be too good to pass up, and companies will invest here and set up here on the people's terms.

 

 

 

Edited February 1, 2022 by RANYC

[cityman4u]

13 hours ago, RANYC said:

Also, Culdesac has "inked" partnerships with Lyft, Bird, and local transit system for seamless package deals and discounts for residents.

Won't any inked deals become null and void once developer sells? Would these partnerships or 'no car' agreements be transferred over if a new owner/contract in force?

[DMann]

Does anyone know if this is a for profit garage or is parking free?  I could see Panther and Hornet fans driving there, parking for free, and taking LYNX into the city.

[15895]

8 hours ago, cityman4u said:

Won't any inked deals become null and void once developer sells? Would these partnerships or 'no car' agreements be transferred over if a new owner/contract in force?

It wouldn’t be transferred “in force” - the purchaser would know what restrictions/regulatory agreements/any other agreements exist on the property if purchased.

So it depends on legal documents & legal agreements. 
 

 

Edited February 1, 2022 by AirNostrumMAD