nicholas 2524 Report post Posted November 27, 2020 On 11/25/2020 at 3:59 PM, KJHburg said: out at the Toyota dealer for some service and saw these $50K plus Supra's which are assembled in Austria with German engines which I found interesting. Much of Toyota's line up is made in the US iwith the exception of their smallest cars. List was $53,xxx on each of these. It's a BMW Z4 with some Toyota badges. Fail 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJHburg 67701 Report post Posted December 2, 2020 @nicholas are these common? I have not seen many of these around CLT. 2 Land Rover Defenders in of all places Saxapahaw NC in the the UCLA region upper Chatham lower Alamance counties. 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Madison Parkitect 1754 Report post Posted December 2, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 10:48 PM, nicholas said: It's a BMW Z4 with some Toyota badges. Fail Toyota badges and and a body made entirely of plastic, if those photos are any indication. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reggie4417 63 Report post Posted December 2, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 10:48 PM, nicholas said: It's a BMW Z4 with some Toyota badges. Fail As the resident car nerd, you should know better than to dismiss the cooperative efforts of BMW & Toyota as simple "badge engineering". This has the potential to be significant for both brands with more projects and sharing of technology on the horizon. https://www.drive.com.au/news/bmw-wants-to-strengthen-bond-with-toyota-124587 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RugbyPike#11 91 Report post Posted December 2, 2020 13 hours ago, KJHburg said: @nicholas are these common? I have not seen many of these around CLT. 2 Land Rover Defenders in of all places Saxapahaw NC in the the UCLA region upper Chatham lower Alamance counties. Not the expert, but the Land Rover Defender is not very common. The two door is the Defender 90, and even more rare is the four door Defender 110. I don’t have the numbers, but I would guess it’s less than 10,000 sold in the US. There was a period where Ford owned Jaguar and Land Rover, but they sold it off during the financial crisis. The new Ford Bronco is about to take a bite into Jeep sales, and I bet that bite would have been even bigger if they still owned Land Rover and offered a rebadged and rebodied Bronco as a new Defender. Instead, Tata Motors has produced a new Defender that looks right at home in shopping mall parking lots (albeit highly capable off road, and also VERY expensive). 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicholas 2524 Report post Posted December 3, 2020 11 hours ago, reggie4417 said: As the resident car nerd, you should know better than to dismiss the cooperative efforts of BMW & Toyota as simple "badge engineering". This has the potential to be significant for both brands with more projects and sharing of technology on the horizon. https://www.drive.com.au/news/bmw-wants-to-strengthen-bond-with-toyota-124587 If Toyota had never built a Supra before, no one would care that the new one was essentially outsourced to BMW. It would be like how no one really cares that the 86 is a rebadged Subaru BRZ. However, the Supra is one of the most storied automotive nameplates out there, especially to younger generations, and this Z4 with Supra badges is an insult to the Supra badge. The previous Supras shared nothing with any other automaker, and the Mk4 in particular was so over-engineered that even to this day there's almost no limit to its performance potential. The new Supras are entirely BMW products once you get past the styling....powered by BMW engines (even the new base four-cylinder is from BMW), routed through BMW-sourced transmissions (let's not forget about the lack of a manual transmission in the Z4 Supra either), bathed BMW interiors, etc. Anyone can swap out suspension bits, steering racks, and the like to change the way their car drives. Toyota contributed next to nothing to this except the money. If Chevy started rebadging Ford Mustangs as Camaros, I guarantee you nobody would ever take the Camaro seriously no matter how different it looked. https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/how-much-bmw-dna-can-be-found-in-the-2020-toyota-supra-ar184209.html I'm not saying it would have been as easy, but it would have been much more appropriate for Toyota to develop a new RWD platform to accommodate the new Supra, as well as several new Lexus products (especially the IS sedan, which already has a connection with the Supra because the first generation IS300 had the Supra's 2ZJ under the hood). The article you linked is mainly focused on coming technologies, not really past products that carried a lot of significance in their day. It's not the same thing. 23 hours ago, KJHburg said: @nicholas are these common? I have not seen many of these around CLT. 2 Land Rover Defenders in of all places Saxapahaw NC in the the UCLA region upper Chatham lower Alamance counties. Definitely don't see a lot of those around, although there are a few murdered-out Defender 110s in the Southpark area. Would take that Defender over the new Defender every day of the week, no questions asked. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJHburg 67701 Report post Posted December 7, 2020 Seen going up I-77 north my friends said it was a BMW is that correct? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ctaylor16 129 Report post Posted December 7, 2020 Audi R8. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJHburg 67701 Report post Posted December 7, 2020 how much are the retail on these and I know it is alot. On Hawkins. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Madison Parkitect 1754 Report post Posted December 7, 2020 13 hours ago, KJHburg said: how much are the retail on these and I know it is alot. On Hawkins. You're looking at a base price of $130k, plus extra for that matte paint and whatever other options they've got. I think I've seen that one around town, the G-Class is one of my favorite SUVs. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJHburg 67701 Report post Posted December 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Madison Parkitect said: You're looking at a base price of $130k, plus extra for that matte paint and whatever other options they've got. I think I've seen that one around town, the G-Class is one of my favorite SUVs. My friends love the black matte finish. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicholas 2524 Report post Posted December 8, 2020 22 hours ago, KJHburg said: Seen going up I-77 north my friends said it was a BMW is that correct? Poor originally-beautiful R8 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue_Devil 728 Report post Posted December 8, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 10:48 PM, nicholas said: It's a BMW Z4 with some Toyota badges. Fail Its got the B58 engine in it. One of the best engines of any brand on the market today 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Madison Parkitect 1754 Report post Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Blue_Devil said: Its got the B58 engine in it. One of the best engines of any brand on the market today It's a pretty ugly car though, the Toyota 86 is way more attractive, I think. Both the front and back end of the Supra are bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicholas 2524 Report post Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Blue_Devil said: Its got the B58 engine in it. One of the best engines of any brand on the market today That's my point....it's literally a BMW with some different clothes and badges. It is a great engine, no denying that, but it's not a Toyota. Edited December 8, 2020 by nicholas 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernSkyline 43 Report post Posted December 8, 2020 Spotted in my garage the other day with a new wrap. Guess he wasn’t a fan because the wrap was gone this morning. 3 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicholas 2524 Report post Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) ^Seen pics of that at some cars shows, but jeez what color was it originally? A few recent interesting car sightings from up here in the City of Oaks... Edited December 8, 2020 by nicholas 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
11 HouseBZ 1280 Report post Posted December 13, 2020 Terrible photo quality, but managed to get this of a Camaro ZL1 1LE who happened to get on 85 next to me in Gaston. First one I've seen. It was funny to see a "plain" 5.0 mustang begin to tailgate him not even realizing that this wasn't just the average Camaro in front of him. Mr ZL1 wasn't even phased. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prodev 521 Report post Posted December 14, 2020 On 12/8/2020 at 3:49 PM, nicholas said: Does anyone know what this is (make/model)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
atlrvr 4217 Report post Posted December 14, 2020 ^^^^ Lamborghini Urus 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicholas 2524 Report post Posted December 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Prodev said: Does anyone know what this is (make/model)? Audi Q8 with a Porsche engine and some Lambo clothes 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicholas 2524 Report post Posted December 14, 2020 22 hours ago, 11 HouseBZ said: Terrible photo quality, but managed to get this of a Camaro ZL1 1LE who happened to get on 85 next to me in Gaston. First one I've seen. It was funny to see a "plain" 5.0 mustang begin to tailgate him not even realizing that this wasn't just the average Camaro in front of him. Mr ZL1 wasn't even phased. Has the newer tail lights, so it's a 2019 or 2020 model, which also indicates that it may have an automatic (although why anyone would want a Camaro with only two pedals is beyond me...). Those 1LEs are stupid fast on a track, one of my neighbors has a highlighter green SS 1LE, and it looks and sounds amazingly brutal. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue_Devil 728 Report post Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/14/2020 at 10:25 AM, Prodev said: Does anyone know what this is (make/model)? On 12/14/2020 at 12:54 PM, nicholas said: Audi Q8 with a Porsche engine and some Lambo clothes Audi Engine that Porsche uses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJHburg 67701 Report post Posted December 26, 2020 to the Porsche in front of me sorry I am not a tourist just a nut hanging a camera out the window for a photo on S Tryon. And congrats your car made it on the Cars on UP thread lower right corner. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicholas 2524 Report post Posted January 5 In Charlotte briefly to end the year. Saw a few interesting cars running around... 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
