PRIME/801 Church St. (38 stories, 456', 358 units, 2,654 sq. ft. retail, 511 capacity garage)

[downtownresident]

2 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

I doubt Tony will do the Anne Dudley Davis Park if Paramount doe's not go at the Church St. Park location. Why would he even want to give the city anything if given the shaft by Cooper.

If I remember correctly, he said that he would provide the plans to the city, but it would be up to the city to find it. 

[smeagolsfree]

Tony does not own any of it yet. He has the property under contract and that probably includes the other two parcels as Speedwagon owns those as well and it was shown on the map in the NBJ article.

He has until sometime next year to close on it.

[Bos2Nash]

1 hour ago, downtownresident said:

If I remember correctly, he said that he would provide the plans to the city, but it would be up to the city to find it. 

If i remember correctly, he would provide the plans to the city at cost for what he paid to have them developed. But that was also just concept work, the most expensive parts of the design process still lie ahead with moving that forwards.

1 hour ago, smeagolsfree said:

Tony does not own any of it yet. He has the property under contract and that probably includes the other two parcels as Speedwagon owns those as well and it was shown on the map in the NBJ article.

He has until sometime mext year to close on it.

Thanks for sharing. This is pretty typical, it allows Tony th exclusive rights to do his due diligence on the property to make sure that what he wants to propose is feasible. This is very typical for major developments.

[Armacing]

6 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

Tony does not own any of it yet. He has the property under contract and that probably includes the other two parcels as Speedwagon owns those as well and it was shown on the map in the NBJ article.

He has until sometime next year to close on it.

Cool.  If he has them all under option then that's practically the same thing as owning them.

Man, it would be great if both of Tony's towers happen, and then the proposed 40-story tower in Nashville Yards across Church St. from Amazon gets built.  Plus the 2nd Amazon tower.  The skyline would push so far west!

[downtownresident]

Found the water sewer filing for this: 

https://epermits.nashville.gov/download.aspx?id=359086

Nothing really new, except for the number of planned units, and the presence of above/below ground parking and retail. 
 

351 units total: 

54 studio units. 
216 one bedroom units. 
81 two bedroom units. 
 

1500 sq. feet of retail fronting Church/9th. 
 

10th floor amenity space, so I’d imagine 8 floors of above ground parking. Public parking included. 
 

Given that this is about the same lot size as 505 CST, and that building averages about 12 units per residential floor, I’d guess that we would have 1 lobby floor(20’), 8 floors of parking(9.5’/floor), 1 amenity floor(14’), and about 30 floors of residential(11’/floor), giving a total of 40 stories, or about 440’ depending on floor heights. before the roof/possible crown. This could vary based on floor plans, but that would be my best guess. 

[smeagolsfree]

Remember, that some of the parking could be below grade parking, so we are still unsure of the total above grade floor count, but your guess is a good one!

[satalac]

9 hours ago, downtownresident said:

Found the water sewer filing for this: 

https://epermits.nashville.gov/download.aspx?id=359086

Nothing really new, except for the number of planned units, and the presence of above/below ground parking and retail. 
 

351 units total: 

54 studio units. 
216 one bedroom units. 
81 two bedroom units. 
 

1500 sq. feet of retail fronting Church/9th. 
 

10th floor amenity space, so I’d imagine 8 floors of above ground parking. Public parking included. 
 

Given that this is about the same lot size as 505 CST, and that building averages about 12 units per residential floor, I’d guess that we would have 1 lobby floor(20’), 8 floors of parking(9.5’/floor), 1 amenity floor(14’), and about 30 floors of residential(11’/floor), giving a total of 40 stories, or about 440’ depending on floor heights. before the roof/possible crown. This could vary based on floor plans, but that would be my best guess. 

Would that square footage be enough to support more than one retail location? I mean, I'm glad to see retail involved in this for street activation, but that doesn't sound like a lot. 

[Nash_12South]

1 hour ago, satalac said:

Would that square footage be enough to support more than one retail location? I mean, I'm glad to see retail involved in this for street activation, but that doesn't sound like a lot. 

You'd likely need more than 2000 sf to begin to support more than one retailer. You might do a small take out only space, and a space like a Sunglass Hut, but you need a restroom and back of house spaces that all eat up square footage. 

Edited June 17, 2020 by Nash_12South

[satalac]

1 minute ago, Nash_12South said:

You'd likely need more than 2000 sf to begin to support more than one retailer. You might do a small take out only space, and a space like a Sunglass Hut, but you need a restroom and back of house spaces that all eat up square footage. 

That's what I was thinking. Anyone know if the elevation of the street may be a reason for this? Maybe there just won't be enough usable space to put this plus the lobby. 

[downtownresident]

1 hour ago, satalac said:

That's what I was thinking. Anyone know if the elevation of the street may be a reason for this? Maybe there just won't be enough usable space to put this plus the lobby. 

Looks like it’s due to the small layout: 

[Bos2Nash]

IMO the reason we see little to no retail in these buildings is purely from a cost standpoint. The cost of construction + custom nature of potential tenants make it much harder for developers to understand what will be able to go into retail spaces in these buildings. When you look at some of the wood-framed apartment buildings, the "retail" suites sit empty for a good while before tenants sign up and that can be a big nut for developers to maintain. It would be great if these 1,500 SF retail spots could have corner convenience style stores, but quite honestly those types of stores cannot afford the rent that developers want for their ROI. There are coffee shops that could fit into 1,500 sf or a specialty shop like Nash_12 said.

If i had to guess, by the time construction rolls around the retail may either go away entirely and be absorbed into the leasing/lobby areas. 

10 minutes ago, downtownresident said:

Looks like it’s due to the small layout: 

Nope Nope Nope! That layout is lazy, and kills way too much of the streetscape of Rosa Parks. I understand Nashville Yards will be bustling, but to expect a trash truck/moving truck to stop and back into a loading dock off of Rosa Parks is ridiculous!! The design should either make better use of the Alley, or utilize 9th Ave. If we feel like 9th Ave will be too active after construction of Nashville Yards, those loading bays should hidden away through the garage entrance. I presume this is early stages, but knowing how the design industry works alot of time and money has gone into the layout of floor plates and this is not good.

Also this layout does confirm that Tony would be looking to lock up all three parcels.

Edited June 17, 2020 by Bos2Nash

[MLBrumby]

Does "only" three elevators (plus service) indicate that this building will NOT be 40 stories tall? 

[Bos2Nash]

26 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

Does "only" three elevators (plus service) indicate that this building will NOT be 40 stories tall? 

Not necessarily. If a am remembering correctly, the number of elevators is really dictated by the code requirements of emergency power and accessible occupant loads. I would expect two elevators (service + 1 public) to serve as emergency elevators, and the other two would "return-to-home" in the event of emergency. 

Also depending on the controls system for the elevators, three can be very efficient.

[smeagolsfree]

There will be below grade and above grade parking as well. We do not know how much though. The diagram shows a 15% grade to the "lower garage" and a 15% grade to the "upper garage".

I am a little disappointed in the lack of activation on Rosa however I do understand that 9th will be a lot more pedestrian activated than Rosa once Nashville Yards is complete. The Federal Court house just will not generate much pedestrian activity except when the employees go out to lunch. I am judging this by how much foot traffic I see in front of the current court house which is very little except for the occasional tourist walking to McDonalds or one of the other business's on that end of Broadway.

 

I am with Bos2 Nash about the trash and loading dock on Rosa...A Big Mistake!

[markhollin]

Rendering and additional info released today for the tower.  Listed as 38 stories, although the rendering looks like 40-41 range.  It will echo many of the design elements of 900 Church (which will sit caddy-corner across the street), and Goettsch Partners will serve as the architect on this one as well.

The closing date on the property will be "on or before spring of 2021." The contractor will be AECOM Hunt.

There will be 8 levels of bonus height being transferred from the Cohen Building (a historic structure on Church St.) that has been preserved by Tony G. 

Still plans for 2 retail spots totaling 2,654 sq. ft. on the main floor and a 511 capacity garage (some of it below ground)

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/article/21142852/details-surface-for-tower-eyed-for-church-street

[Skyscrapergeek]

Now that’s what I’m talkin’ ‘bout!!!  Love it!  

[downtownresident]

Love the design of this, it will look great on that lot. Glad they added additional retail, and the 20’ sidewalks along Rosa Parks are nice as well. 
 

Tony is bringing the heat to that section of Church street. These two buildings over 400 feet is a lot of height for that part of downtown. 

Edited August 14, 2020 by downtownresident

[Skyscrapergeek]

I count 42. 

[FluffyP13]

does it kinda fan out at the top or is that just an illusion from the angle 

[PianoKing03]

Man, the actually cool designs we’ve been seeing lately... Tony’s got some good ones, that’s for sure.

[smeagolsfree]

A big thanks to downtownresident that alerted me to this. He digs!

As far as the height, the top floor will count as 1 even though it is 2 because it is the penthouse level. I think when looking at the parking diagram there may only be 9 floors of parking but it sort of looks like 10 because of the ramps design.

Maybe Bos2Nash can give some insights. 

We guesstimated the heightn at around 440 so that cannot be taken to the bank. The 8 floors of bonus height are being transferred from the Cohen  building on Church.

The amenities deck seems to sit right above the garage. I gave that a 15 foot height.

[Bos2Nash]

Hey look its 900 Church with the offset boxes enclosed lol (sorry couldn''t resist).

I count 40 stories on here, but that is just based on glazing. This doesn't take into account any possible double height maybe at the top or a possible mechanical screen that extends beyond the top for screening purposes. I am counting 8 floors of parking actually - it looks like by the image the ground floor extends behind the screening a bit. If we are looking at 10'-0" floor to floor for the floor plates plus 15'-0" for ground floor and amenity deck, we are looking at around 410'-0". A 12'-2" height seems unrealistic because the building would quickly approach 475'.

I do have some disdain for the elevated parking on this job, it frustrates and saddens me, but that is the market the city is creating. I am also willing to bet this building goes up before 900 Church as the parking here will help pre-lease 900 Church. 900 Church can also be used as a lay down yard for construction.

AECOM/hunt is also serving as the GC on the Four Seasons project.

[Native]

The intersection as it looks today.  What a change is coming!  Very exciting.

[smeagolsfree]

1 hour ago, Bos2Nash said:

Hey look its 900 Church with the offset boxes enclosed lol (sorry couldn''t resist).

I count 40 stories on here, but that is just based on glazing. This doesn't take into account any possible double height maybe at the top or a possible mechanical screen that extends beyond the top for screening purposes. I am counting 8 floors of parking actually - it looks like by the image the ground floor extends behind the screening a bit. If we are looking at 10'-0" floor to floor for the floor plates plus 15'-0" for ground floor and amenity deck, we are looking at around 410'-0". A 12'-2" height seems unrealistic because the building would quickly approach 475'.

I do have some disdain for the elevated parking on this job, it frustrates and saddens me, but that is the market the city is creating. I am also willing to bet this building goes up before 900 Church as the parking here will help pre-lease 900 Church. 900 Church can also be used as a lay down yard for construction.

AECOM/hunt is also serving as the GC on the Four Seasons project.

The reason for the elevated parking could be they may not want to blast next to the Westview next door. It could be damaging to the bulding. Plus we do not know what is underneath the old parking lot. Cheaper to build too.

[Armacing]

1 hour ago, Bos2Nash said:

I am also willing to bet this building goes up before 900 Church as the parking here will help pre-lease 900 Church. 900 Church can also be used as a lay down yard for construction.

Interesting theory.  Couldn't it work the other way too, with this lot serving as the lay down yard for construction of 900 church?