The Republic Is Saved.

[spenser1058]

QAnon’s got a whopper going that totally eclipses Pizzagate for ridiculousness (and that ain’t easy):

Politifact: Hurricane Ian was a natural disaster, not a political conspiracy to devastate Floridians

https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/local/state/2022/10/04/politifact-hurricane-ian-natural-disaster-florida-not-qanon-democrat-conspiracy/8175242001/

From The News Journal

There have always been wackadoodle notions like this floating around. The difference now is that one political party is aiding and abetting such nonsense, instead of sending them back down the rabbit hole like Buckley once did with the Birchers.

For American democracy to work, both parties have to be composed of vertebrates willing to stand up and not trying to show fake strength by suggesting the military of an autocratic country should be our ideal (given their performance recently, it clearly should not).
 

Meanwhile, WaPo’s Jennifer Rubin gets to the nub of the problem:

”Walker might be the most egregious Republican candidate since Trump himself, personifying the party’s abject disregard for character and cynical attitude toward public service. And many in the MAGA cult have cheered these trends on as a sort of political nihilism. For them, politics is all a scam, so why not grab what you can?”

Sadly, I’ve heard this sort of thinking far too much lately, even here. I wonder if the folks who think like this understand it’s the thinking of a banana republic and not the one at the mall.

[orange87]

Herschel Walker, who supports a total abortion ban, apparently paid for an abortion for one of his many girlfriends in 2009. Walker has also tried to paint himself as a "family man," but his children paint a very different picture of him, saying he was an abusive and violent deadbeat.

Meanwhile, Marjorie Taylor Greene is in a messy divorce. Her soon to be ex-husband now says he wants all divorce documents to be made public so everyone can see how unhinged she is.

[jrs2]

6 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

QAnon’s got a whopper going that totally eclipses Pizzagate for ridiculousness (and that ain’t easy):

Politifact: Hurricane Ian was a natural disaster, not a political conspiracy to devastate Floridians

https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/local/state/2022/10/04/politifact-hurricane-ian-natural-disaster-florida-not-qanon-democrat-conspiracy/8175242001/

From The News Journal

There have always been wackadoodle notions like this floating around. The difference now is that one political party is aiding and abetting such nonsense, instead of sending them back down the rabbit hole like Buckley once did with the Birchers.

For American democracy to work, both parties have to be composed of vertebrates willing to stand up and not trying to show fake strength by suggesting the military of an autocratic country should be our ideal (given their performance recently, it clearly should not).
 

Meanwhile, WaPo’s Jennifer Rubin gets to the nub of the problem:

”Walker might be the most egregious Republican candidate since Trump himself, personifying the party’s abject disregard for character and cynical attitude toward public service. And many in the MAGA cult have cheered these trends on as a sort of political nihilism. For them, politics is all a scam, so why not grab what you can?”

Sadly, I’ve heard this sort of thinking far too much lately, even here. I wonder if the folks who think like this understand it’s the thinking of a banana republic and not the one at the mall.

Wackadoodle notions?  You do acknowledge the history of how the Fed was "created" and why the "1R5" was created "illegally" in a secret meeting of "politicians" in GA about a hundred years ago, right?  I mean, this is a fact, and the Fed is a private bank with all of these "special" privileges of printing $$$ and loaning $$$ to the US with the 1R5 set up to collect it back with interest.  Ask your banker; it's no secret.  The five names given the the President, right?  Tell me, who has the REAL power in that situation?   Oh, no, a wackadoodle notion!

So, knowing this, you have the audacity to exclaim and point fingers at the MAGA crowd ala the "politics is a scam" notion?  Oh, wait, you are a Liberal, so you are 100% for tax collecting for the "greater collective good" so you're probably also an excuse maker too.  Right?  By any means necessary, right? So even if it was illegally created, the means were justified by the ends, right?  Without tax collecting, Liberals and their programs wouldn't even exist, so why speak against your pecuniary and philosophical interests?   I think I hit the nail on the head.

And, BTW, on the weather thing, HARP is a real program.  I don't know what it does nor do I care.  And chemtrails are real as well and they have patents for what they spread into the sky.  "Cloud reclamation" is what the global warmists call it?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/geoengineering-treatment-stratospheric-aerosol-injection-climate-change-study-today-2018-11-23/

There, straight from your beloved MSM outlet, CBS News.  Is CBS wackadoodle too?  Where's the nonsense at?

So, what exactly were you lauding politicians for in your post?  

See, the problem with your way of thinking is that until and unless something is presented to you in a format that you will accept, from Anderson Cooper's pretty mouth, or Adam Schiff's creepy stare, or Chris Cuomo's crying face, you won't acknowledge it.  Case in point: the Pulse shooting.  More than 50 people died, but to Liberals, it's all about THEIR narrative.  I know for a fact straight from the local media that the Arabic Muslim shooter called half a dozen media outlets pledging allegiance to 1515 just before the shooting; they reported on his Facebook page as well;  yet all we got from the Left was that it was a simple "hate crime" and "we need to practice tolerance."  All you have to say is "hate crime" and "tolerance" and liberals automatically think it was 1) a straight white male, or 2) a christian, or 3) a MAGA supporter.  They don't see the truth of it nor do they care.  So all we see today is all this other Liberal BS (and gun control on top of it) instead of a declaration of what amounted to a terrorist attack where 50+ people died.  Oh, but that wouldn't be PC to Liberals...calling out a Arabic Muslim.  So they change the narrative so that people that just look at headlines who don't know these details assume the Liberal slant on it as a  general "hate crime" against gays. 

it's pathetic the BS and excuse making the Left does (I mean politicians, the MSM, and voters) when something happens that doesn't "fit" the Liberal narrative, and they use it to instead vilify the Right, or they are merely silent on those important facts and hope people forget them while they keep repeating "hate crime" and "tolerance" 'till they're blue in the face and the public at large starts believing it.  

[spenser1058]

10 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

Wackadoodle notions?  You do acknowledge the history of how the Fed was "created" and why the "1R5" was created "illegally" in a secret meeting of "politicians" in GA about a hundred years ago, right?  I mean, this is a fact, and the Fed is a private bank with all of these "special" privileges of printing $$$ and loaning $$$ to the US with the 1R5 set up to collect it back with interest.  Ask your banker; it's no secret.  The five names given the the President, right?  Tell me, who has the REAL power in that situation?   Oh, no, a wackadoodle notion!

So, knowing this, you have the audacity to exclaim and point fingers at the MAGA crowd ala the "politics is a scam" notion?  Oh, wait, you are a Liberal, so you are 100% for tax collecting for the "greater collective good" so you're probably also an excuse maker too.  Right?  By any means necessary, right? So even if it was illegally created, the means were justified by the ends, right?  Without tax collecting, Liberals and their programs wouldn't even exist, so why speak against your pecuniary and philosophical interests?   I think I hit the nail on the head.

And, BTW, on the weather thing, HARP is a real program.  I don't know what it does nor do I care.  And chemtrails are real as well and they have patents for what they spread into the sky.  "Cloud reclamation" is what the global warmists call it?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/geoengineering-treatment-stratospheric-aerosol-injection-climate-change-study-today-2018-11-23/

There, straight from your beloved MSM outlet, CBS News.  Is CBS wackadoodle too?  Where's the nonsense at?

So, what exactly were you lauding politicians for in your post?  

See, the problem with your way of thinking is that until and unless something is presented to you in a format that you will accept, from Anderson Cooper's pretty mouth, or Adam Schiff's creepy stare, or Chris Cuomo's crying face, you won't acknowledge it.  Case in point: the Pulse shooting.  More than 50 people died, but to Liberals, it's all about THEIR narrative.  I know for a fact straight from the local media that the Arabic Muslim shooter called half a dozen media outlets pledging allegiance to 1515 just before the shooting; they reported on his Facebook page as well;  yet all we got from the Left was that it was a simple "hate crime" and "we need to practice tolerance."  All you have to say is "hate crime" and "tolerance" and liberals automatically think it was 1) a straight white male, or 2) a christian, or 3) a MAGA supporter.  They don't see the truth of it nor do they care.  So all we see today is all this other Liberal BS (and gun control on top of it) instead of a declaration of what amounted to a terrorist attack where 50+ people died.  Oh, but that wouldn't be PC to Liberals...calling out a Arabic Muslim.  So they change the narrative so that people that just look at headlines who don't know these details assume the Liberal slant on it as a  general "hate crime" against gays. 

it's pathetic the BS and excuse making the Left does (I mean politicians, the MSM, and voters) when something happens that doesn't "fit" the Liberal narrative, and they use it to instead vilify the Right, or they are merely silent on those important facts and hope people forget them while they keep repeating "hate crime" and "tolerance" 'till they're blue in the face and the public at large starts believing it.  

Lol, “I’m a liberal”. I’d just live for you to suggest that to actual liberals I know (if Doug Head were still with us, he’d have a hearty belly laught at that notion). But that’s the problem with you guys - you’ve moved so far right that you’ve gone ‘round the bend. Is it perhaps suggestive that the right has become BFF’s with the likes of Orban and Putin (don’t believe me? Look at what Tucker Carlson and CPAC have had to say in the last week).

Here’s the funny thing - if you compare the American Democratic Party to center-left parties in the developed nations, we usually chart in a tad further right than the rest. 

But when you compare the American Republican Party to the center-right parties of developed nations, it’s waaaay to the right of that grouping outside the group.

Time to look in the mirror.
 

Edited October 5, 2022 by spenser1058

[JFW657]

23 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

Wackadoodle notions?  You do acknowledge the history of how the Fed was "created" and why the "1R5" was created "illegally" in a secret meeting of "politicians" in GA about a hundred years ago, right?  I mean, this is a fact, and the Fed is a private bank with all of these "special" privileges of printing $$$ and loaning $$$ to the US with the 1R5 set up to collect it back with interest.  Ask your banker; it's no secret.  The five names given the the President, right?  Tell me, who has the REAL power in that situation?   Oh, no, a wackadoodle notion!

So, knowing this, you have the audacity to exclaim and point fingers at the MAGA crowd ala the "politics is a scam" notion?  Oh, wait, you are a Liberal, so you are 100% for tax collecting for the "greater collective good" so you're probably also an excuse maker too.  Right?  By any means necessary, right? So even if it was illegally created, the means were justified by the ends, right?  Without tax collecting, Liberals and their programs wouldn't even exist, so why speak against your pecuniary and philosophical interests?   I think I hit the nail on the head.

And, BTW, on the weather thing, HARP is a real program.  I don't know what it does nor do I care.  And chemtrails are real as well and they have patents for what they spread into the sky.  "Cloud reclamation" is what the global warmists call it?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/geoengineering-treatment-stratospheric-aerosol-injection-climate-change-study-today-2018-11-23/

There, straight from your beloved MSM outlet, CBS News.  Is CBS wackadoodle too?  Where's the nonsense at?

So, what exactly were you lauding politicians for in your post?  

See, the problem with your way of thinking is that until and unless something is presented to you in a format that you will accept, from Anderson Cooper's pretty mouth, or Adam Schiff's creepy stare, or Chris Cuomo's crying face, you won't acknowledge it.  Case in point: the Pulse shooting.  More than 50 people died, but to Liberals, it's all about THEIR narrative.  I know for a fact straight from the local media that the Arabic Muslim shooter called half a dozen media outlets pledging allegiance to 1515 just before the shooting; they reported on his Facebook page as well;  yet all we got from the Left was that it was a simple "hate crime" and "we need to practice tolerance."  All you have to say is "hate crime" and "tolerance" and liberals automatically think it was 1) a straight white male, or 2) a christian, or 3) a MAGA supporter.  They don't see the truth of it nor do they care.  So all we see today is all this other Liberal BS (and gun control on top of it) instead of a declaration of what amounted to a terrorist attack where 50+ people died.  Oh, but that wouldn't be PC to Liberals...calling out a Arabic Muslim.  So they change the narrative so that people that just look at headlines who don't know these details assume the Liberal slant on it as a  general "hate crime" against gays. 

it's pathetic the BS and excuse making the Left does (I mean politicians, the MSM, and voters) when something happens that doesn't "fit" the Liberal narrative, and they use it to instead vilify the Right, or they are merely silent on those important facts and hope people forget them while they keep repeating "hate crime" and "tolerance" 'till they're blue in the face and the public at large starts believing it.  

That was too unhinged to even get all the way through.     

And BTW, the American political right deserves every bit of vilification it gets.

And then some.

There is just nothing good to be said about the kind of people who would put the likes of Donald Trump in the White House,   

[spenser1058]

I do often wonder how the MAGAts came to be so lacking in any form of moral compass. I truly don’t understand it. 

[prahaboheme]

21 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

I do often wonder how the MAGAts came to be so lacking in any form of moral compass. I truly don’t understand it. 

Did they “become” that way or were they always there, in the shadows or you know, right out front putting up racist statues in every southern city park? I’ll go with the latter.

The irony of all this being that Cheetohead is definitely not one of them.

Edited October 5, 2022 by prahaboheme

[jrs2]

13 hours ago, JFW657 said:

That was too unhinged to even get all the way through.     

And BTW, the American political right deserves every bit of vilification it gets.

And then some.

There is just nothing good to be said about the kind of people who would put the likes of Donald Trump in the White House,   

...or the like of people willing to sell out a country to a political ideology.  Which is worse, Socialists or a A55h0le as President with the correct economic policies?  "Be nice to me..."  The whole Pied Piper fallacy...follow the sweet sounds right off the cliff and into the ocean.

[spenser1058]

Another thing I can’t figure out: why would a white supremacist, eager to show the supposed superiority of the white race, ever come up with Donald Trump as his shining example?

It’s as if, for the lead superhuman in the ST:TOS episode “Space Seed”, Roddenberry decided instead of Ricardo Montalban to go with Rodney Dangerfield.
 
 Truly clueless. 

Edited October 5, 2022 by spenser1058

[jack]

34 minutes ago, spenser1058 said:

Another thing I can’t figure out: why would a white supremacist, eager to show the supposed superiority of the white race, ever come up with Donald Trump as his shining example?

It’s as if, for the lead superhuman in the ST:TOS episode “Space Seed”, Roddenberry decided instead of Ricardo Montalban to go with Rodney Dangerfield.
 
 Truly clueless. 

They don't support him. There is a lot of room between a white supremacist and MAGA. Lots of MAGA is not racist at all. If anything, racially agnostic. 

[spenser1058]

5 minutes ago, jack said:

They don't support him. There is a lot of room between a white supremacist and MAGA. Lots of MAGA is not racist at all. If anything, racially agnostic. 

Have you been to a MAGA rally?  Just seeing the merch they were selling outside the one at the Am tells you a lot.

That’s rather like saying you think it was OK that several local counties had elected officials, including sheriffs and justices of the peace, as members of the KKK well into the 1970’s (until the Sentinel started investigating it). “That’s ok, they didn’t mean it, right?”

Edited October 5, 2022 by spenser1058

[spenser1058]

“All that is essential for the triumph of evil is for the good people to do nothing. “ - Economist/philosopher John Stuart Mill as quoted by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Failure to remember this simple truth is what has led the Republican Party to its current morass. It’s also not unlike where the Russian people are who ignored the “special military action” in Ukraine until it arrived on their doorstep as a, ummmm, war.

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

...or the like of people willing to sell out a country to a political ideology.  Which is worse, Socialists or a A55h0le as President with the correct economic policies?  "Be nice to me..."  The whole Pied Piper fallacy...follow the sweet sounds right off the cliff and into the ocean.

 

33 minutes ago, jack said:

They don't support him. There is a lot of room between a white supremacist and MAGA. Lots of MAGA is not racist at all. If anything, racially agnostic. 

Let's be honest here... both sides are pushing their political ideology with little concern for the economic future of the country.

The main difference lies in the morality of their motives with regard to the intended outcome.

The "do-gooder" left wants to be like warm and fuzzy,  gentle old grandparents trying to spoil their grandkids by just giving in to every whim and demand.

The "uncle Scrooge" right wants to be the strict Spartan grandparents, witholding and taking as much away from the grandkids as they can get away with.

The big problem with the right is, that instead of putting the money they'd save by cutting spending back into the nation's coffers, they want to give it to themselves and their already wealthy corporate contributors.

Yes, the left needs to reign in their limitless give away mentality, but at least their  giveaways go to those who, even by Biblical standards, are the ones who deserve it.

And by putting a man in the White House who is, by every standard of decency we were all taught as children, and which the Christian Bible stresses at length, a greedy, self-serving, amoral piece of something nobody would want to step in, the Americans on the right have demonstrated that when you get right down to it, morality takes a backseat to greed and self interest.

Why?

My guess is because Trump supporters share Trump's basic greed and self interest.

The attraction of Trump to his base, is that he hates the same kinds of people that his supporters do. And I'm not talking necessarily about race or ethnicity. I actually agree with the POV that Trump is not really a racist nor are most of his supporters. He and they would happily accept anyone of any ethnicity into their fold, as long as they support Trump and his ideals of greed and self interest.  

To put it another way, not all Trumpers are racist bigots, but all racist bigots are Trumpers.

[mintscraft56]

Yea.......Joe Biden definately "saved" our republic. He saved it so much that our inflation is nuts, national debt is skyrocketing, and the average american family gets poorer. 

Dont forget, the world is at the edge of its seat, with war lingering through the tensions he has yet to fix, address, or straight up caused. 

And no, im not a "trumpie", im just stating an obvious fact that has punched the american public in the face in the last few years. 

I dont usually bat an eye towards politics but to see people defending this nitt whitt of a president, it blows my mind. Give up on him already. 

Edited October 5, 2022 by mintscraft56

[orange87]

Things are slowly returning back to normal thanks to President Biden.

FBI data shows U.S. violent crimes decreased slightly in 2021

https://www.axios.com/2022/10/05/fbi-crime-data-2021-biden-first-year?fbclid=IwAR1Gx7KCHQXAH9CU9yy3Sk9ne7AOhCCGz_LNg5vNyTSyWxbuRF_EBP1i81E

[jrs2]

10 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

 

Let's be honest here... both sides are pushing their political ideology with little concern for the economic future of the country.

The main difference lies in the morality of their motives with regard to the intended outcome.

The "do-gooder" left wants to be like warm and fuzzy,  gentle old grandparents trying to spoil their grandkids by just giving in to every whim and demand.

The "uncle Scrooge" right wants to be the strict Spartan grandparents, witholding and taking as much away from the grandkids as they can get away with.

The big problem with the right is, that instead of putting the money they'd save by cutting spending back into the nation's coffers, they want to give it to themselves and their already wealthy corporate contributors.

Yes, the left needs to reign in their limitless give away mentality, but at least their  giveaways go to those who, even by Biblical standards, are the ones who deserve it.

And by putting a man in the White House who is, by every standard of decency we were all taught as children, and which the Christian Bible stresses at length, a greedy, self-serving, amoral piece of something nobody would want to step in, the Americans on the right have demonstrated that when you get right down to it, morality takes a backseat to greed and self interest.

Why?

My guess is because Trump supporters share Trump's basic greed and self interest.

The attraction of Trump to his base, is that he hates the same kinds of people that his supporters do. And I'm not talking necessarily about race or ethnicity. I actually agree with the POV that Trump is not really a racist nor are most of his supporters. He and they would happily accept anyone of any ethnicity into their fold, as long as they support Trump and his ideals of greed and self interest.  

"Morality"? A reference to the Bible?  LOL.  You're god is the Government God, the arbiter of secular morality which it dictates as it sees fit in it's corrupt system (that you acknowledge).

Regarding Trump, call the Lowes Miami Beach and talk with the  head valet there, a Black gentleman, who used to work for Trump in NJ, who credits him for having put his kids thru college and taking care of his family all those years he worked at one of his hotels.  He would beg to differ with your opinion of Him.

Greed and self interest, huh? 

First, the reason they went after Trump in the first place was because Russia opted out of the Euro like GB did which went against the "globalist" agenda, with the EU at the center of it, and they wanted their revenge; they wanted a two-for, smear Putin and Trump simultaneously (Trump, since he's a nationalist much like Putin) so that they wouldn't become allies; meanwhile China continues to have the 'economic drop' on the US, and the Democrats (and Never-Trumpers to be fair) continue on with, how did you coin it..."basic greed and self interest"?  Right?  So, if you paid attention to international politics like I do and did, you would know this.  It was a simple equation; opt out of bad deal treaties and bring companies back to the US.  Cause and effect.  Higher corporate taxes means companies shift operations to China et al.  So, the liberal media, liberal Obama-DOJ, and a bunch of Leftist wingnuts took it as far as they could to stop the shift back towards center.

The reason people voted for Trump in the first place was because they felt that every president since Reagan sold the country out.  Period.  They didn't vote for his personality.  But you know what?  Trump is an Alpha.  And the Liberals in this country have gone out of their way to create a cesspool of Gammas.   That's right.  Who is easier to control?  Duh?  When Biden says or alludes that MAGA are a threat to the state, he means they are a threat to Socialism, because they're Alphas.  Nobody, internationally that is, wants to move to the US if it becomes a socialist state.  But I guess all of the local Gammas are perfectly fine with it so long as the talking head on TV is "nice" to them.

They even tried to destroy the British-Greek gay politically conservative Milo, because he was an Alpha and getting traction in upending the Liberal agenda towards the gay community.  I have a gay cousin who finally disavowed the Democrat Party in early 2022 because he finally saw how it's policies were hindering his medical office.   By the same token, I have another relative that lived in China for a decade and works in the medical/education system who is harder on Trump than even you.  Compare their two backgrounds: a business owner and an employee of the state.  

[JFW657]

29 minutes ago, mintscraft56 said:

Yea.......Joe Biden definately "saved" our republic. He saved it so much that our inflation is nuts, national debt is skyrocketing, and the average american family gets poorer. 

Dont forget, the world is at the edge of its seat, with war lingering through the tensions he has yet to fix, address, or straight up caused. 

And no, im not a "trumpie", im just stating an obvious fact that has punched the american public in the face in the last few years. 

I dont usually bat an eye towards politics but to see people defending this nitt whitt of a president, it blows my mind. Give up on him already. 

Joe Biden's actions and policies have had little if anything to do with the current conditions.

A two year pandemic and an out of control wannabe strongman dictator in charge of a nuclear and economically powerful nation who is waging a useless and unjustified takeover attempt on its neighbor have come together to create a perfect storm.

It can be argued that Trump bears a significant amount of blame because he didn't act fast enough on COVID in 2020 and his cozying up to Putin emboldened him.

I would not be surprised if the world were to learn that, part of Putin's multifold goal of his war on Ukraine, is to help foster such a climate of dissatisfaction with Biden here in the US, that it helps put his willing puppet and toady trump back in office.  

[jrs2]

44 minutes ago, mintscraft56 said:

Yea.......Joe Biden definately "saved" our republic. He saved it so much that our inflation is nuts, national debt is skyrocketing, and the average american family gets poorer. 

Dont forget, the world is at the edge of its seat, with war lingering through the tensions he has yet to fix, address, or straight up caused. 

And no, im not a "trumpie", im just stating an obvious fact that has punched the american public in the face in the last few years. 

I dont usually bat an eye towards politics but to see people defending this nitt whitt of a president, it blows my mind. Give up on him already. 

Oh, the people on this thread cannot stand the fact that you just posted this, and they will probably ignore you as a result so that your comments just go away.

Read my post just above yours.  And welcome to the Orlando Coffee House sub-forum.

Just remember, if you're against inflation and the continual printing of money, to them, that must mean that you are governed by greed and self interest because you cannot possibly care about your fellow man, right?

And they don't care about the American Family; because according to them, the Government Establishment knows best to take care of it's citizens, including issue of parenting.  But as far as "family" goes, weaken it and the government gets more influence and control.

[jrs2]

10 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

Joe Biden's actions and policies have had little if anything to do with the current conditions.

A two year pandemic and an out of control wannabe strongman dictator in charge of a nuclear and economically powerful nation who is waging a useless and unjustified takeover attempt on its neighbor have come together to create a perfect storm.

It can be argued that Trump bears a significant amount of blame because he didn't act fast enough on COVID in 2020 and his cozying up to Putin emboldened him.

I would not be surprised if the world were to learn that, part of Putin's multifold goal of his war on Ukraine, is to help foster such a climate of dissatisfaction with Biden here in the US, that it helps put his willing puppet and toady trump back in office.  

wow, that was quick...quick retort to quell the points made by mintscraft56 before they get traction.

Well it could be argued that Putin helped Trump win the election in 2016 regardless of the fact that there were tens of thousands of supporters at His rallies compared to maybe dozens or hundred at Hillary's.  It could also be argued that China helped steal 2020 and that the DNC is in league with the CCP, since they are both Leftists, and because Trump's anti-China stance was beginning to hurt their economy.  It could also be argued that Biden panders to Big Pharma and as a result of this pandering, these vaccine mandates and unwillingness to comply with some of them affected the supply chain which drove up prices on goods including fuel.  Oh, wait, the fuel...that's a whole other topic since Trump made the US petroleum self sufficient and Biden did everything in his power to quell that.  So now, when Putin makes moves and demands that Russian oil be purchased in Rubles from India etc., to drive up the value of that currency (maybe a good investment), that the US Dollar is in jeopardy and if trends continue, the petro-dollar will cease to exist.  Thank you, Biden.

But all you want to see is a bad spray tan and bad attitude, instead of the big picture.  That's why Leftists are so easily controlled;  it's the PC game (which of course comes straight from the Socialist playbook; it's not a new concept; it was used by the Nazi Party in the 1930's)

Don't be that guy.  You seem like there are synapses firing upstairs.  

[JFW657]

5 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

"Morality"? A reference to the Bible?  LOL.  You're god is the Government God, the arbiter of secular morality which it dictates as it sees fit in it's corrupt system (that you acknowledge).

Regarding Trump, call the Lowes Miami Beach and talk with the  head valet there, a Black gentleman, who used to work for Trump in NJ, who credits him for having put his kids thru college and taking care of his family all those years he worked at one of his hotels.  He would beg to differ with your opinion of Him.

Greed and self interest, huh? 

First, the reason they went after Trump in the first place was because Russia opted out of the Euro like GB did which went against the "globalist" agenda, with the EU at the center of it, and they wanted their revenge; they wanted a two-for, smear Putin and Trump simultaneously (Trump, since he's a nationalist much like Putin) so that they wouldn't become allies; meanwhile China continues to have the 'economic drop' on the US, and the Democrats (and Never-Trumpers to be fair) continue on with, how did you coin it..."basic greed and self interest"?  Right?  So, if you paid attention to international politics like I do and did, you would know this.  It was a simple equation; opt out of bad deal treaties and bring companies back to the US.  Cause and effect.  Higher corporate taxes means companies shift operations to China et al.  So, the liberal media, liberal Obama-DOJ, and a bunch of Leftist wingnuts took it as far as they could to stop the shift back towards center.

The reason people voted for Trump in the first place was because they felt that every president since Reagan sold the country out.  Period.  They didn't vote for his personality.  But you know what?  Trump is an Alpha.  And the Liberals in this country have gone out of their way to create a cesspool of Gammas.   That's right.  Who is easier to control?  Duh?  When Biden says or alludes that MAGA are a threat to the state, he means they are a threat to Socialism, because they're Alphas.  Nobody, internationally that is, wants to move to the US if it becomes a socialist state.  But I guess all of the local Gammas are perfectly fine with it so long as the talking head on TV is "nice" to them.

They even tried to destroy the British-Greek gay politically conservative Milo, because he was an Alpha and getting traction in upending the Liberal agenda towards the gay community.  I have a gay cousin who finally disavowed the Democrat Party in early 2022 because he finally saw how it's policies were hindering his medical office.   By the same token, I have another relative that lived in China for a decade and works in the medical/education system who is harder on Trump than even you.  Compare their two backgrounds: a business owner and an employee of the state.  

And you Einsteins don't think Trump sold the country out????

HE LITERALLY TRIED TO DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION BY ENACTING A VIOLENT COUP FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL BENEFIT!!!

What is it about that fact that you people cannot or will not understand????

And then, it came out that he stole top secret documents many of which have not been recovered and cannot be accounted for and you're all like.....

"So...? " 

You Trumpers excuse and ignore ANYTHING HE DOES!!! 

Then you brush off any criticism of him as being based solely on his personality.

When he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose the support of his mindless zombie cult, he sure had you people pegged.

I cannot understand why you people want to be a bunch of raving, babbling, unhinged, incoherent Trump cultist lunatics. 

Sad. 

[JFW657]

8 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

wow, that was quick...quick retort to quell the points made by mintscraft56 before they get traction.

Well it could be argued that Putin helped Trump win the election in 2016 regardless of the fact that there were tens of thousands of supporters at His rallies compared to maybe dozens or hundred at Hillary's.  It could also be argued that China helped steal 2020 and that the DNC is in league with the CCP, since they are both Leftists, and because Trump's anti-China stance was beginning to hurt their economy.  It could also be argued that Biden panders to Big Pharma and as a result of this pandering, these vaccine mandates and unwillingness to comply with some of them affected the supply chain which drove up prices on goods including fuel.  Oh, wait, the fuel...that's a whole other topic since Trump made the US petroleum self sufficient and Biden did everything in his power to quell that.  So now, when Putin makes moves and demands that Russian oil be purchased in Rubles from India etc., to drive up the value of that currency (maybe a good investment), that the US Dollar is in jeopardy and if trends continue, the petro-dollar will cease to exist.  Thank you, Biden.

But all you want to see is a bad spray tan and bad attitude, instead of the big picture.  That's why Leftists are so easily controlled;  it's the PC game (which of course comes straight from the Socialist playbook; it's not a new concept; it was used by the Nazi Party in the 1930's)

Don't be that guy.  You seem like there are synapses firing upstairs.  

More unhinged, conspiratorial goofball nonsense ^^^^.  

Them thar danged ol' lib'ruls and thet thar danged ol' gub'mint!!!!      

 

[jrs2]

9 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

And you Einsteins don't think Trump sold the country out????

HE LITERALLY TRIED TO DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION BY ENACTING A VIOLENT COUP FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL BENEFIT!!!

What is it about that fact that you people cannot or will not understand????

And then, it came out that he stole top secret documents many of which have not been recovered and cannot be accounted for and you're all like.....

"So...? " 

You Trumpers excuse and ignore ANYTHING HE DOES!!! 

Then you brush off any criticism of him as being based solely on his personality.

When he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose the support of his mindless zombie cult, he sure had you people pegged.

I cannot understand why you people want to be a bunch of raving, babbling, unhinged, incoherent Trump cultist lunatics. 

Sad. 

Ok.

First, everything is scripted between the Left and the Right.  I couldn't have scripted this better.  I really should put in a resume to the Alphabet.  I might even qualify for bonuses for original thinking.  

Since you don't want to believe that, I'll go ahead with the Left vs Right thing since that gives you the most comfort and allows you to sleep better at night:

Didn't you watch the hearings where Lyin' Ted crossed the FBI directors about who unlocked the doors to the Capitol and all that jazz and they refused to acknowledge said individuals' employment and/or actions at their direction?  Am I taking crazy pills on this?  It was on CNN or CSPAN.  It's pretty obvious what the "coup" actually was.  Because of that, the douchebags in Congress moved their meeting back to like 2am and nobody from the respective state legislatures was permitted to present evidence of "election inconsistencies" and GOP Prime, the VP made sure of it.  And you don't see a problem with that?  Again, by any means necessary b/c Trump is an a55h0le.

The secret documents will only reinforce the concept that the DOJ is out of control since Trump was in DC the week before on that issue and they still went to his house to make a big media event.  I can't play Left vs Right on this one.  It was done and agreed to for a reason by both parties to achieve the ends they both want, which has to do with swaying voters.  Trust me, more voters will vote for Trump (the victim) because of that move, and the Democrats know it.

I don't know what else to tell you on that.  

23 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

HE LITERALLY TRIED TO DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION BY ENACTING A VIOLENT COUP FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL BENEFIT!!!

were you snoozing when they tried to impeach him on that but failed to do so due to lack of evidence?  And that's the difference here.  You seem to subscribe to the Liberal Sun Times and the Court of Liberal Public Opinion, because at the end of the day, that's all the Liberals have in this country, their PC and smear campaign tactics. 

[jrs2]

16 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

More unhinged, conspiratorial goofball nonsense ^^^^.  

Them thar danged ol' lib'ruls and thet thar danged ol' gub'mint!!!!      

well, when you are conditioned to NOT connect the dots, it makes you easier to control.  And when someone else is actually connecting the dots, you look at them like they have three arms instead of two.

[JFW657]

2 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

Ok.

First, everything is scripted between the Left and the Right.  I couldn't have scripted this better.  I really should put in a resume to the Alphabet.  I might even qualify for bonuses for original thinking.  

Since you don't want to believe that, I'll go ahead with the Left vs Right thing since that gives you the most comfort and allows you to sleep better at night:

Didn't you watch the hearings where Lyin' Ted crossed the FBI directors about who unlocked the doors to the Capitol and all that jazz and they refused to acknowledge said individuals' employment and/or actions at their direction?  Am I taking crazy pills on this?  It was on CNN or CSPAN.  It's pretty obvious what the "coup" actually was.  Because of that, the douchebags in Congress moved their meeting back to like 2am and nobody from the respective state legislatures was permitted to present evidence of "election inconsistencies" and GOP Prime, the VP made sure of it.  And you don't see a problem with that?  Again, by any means necessary b/c Trump is an a55h0le.

The secret documents will only reinforce the concept that the DOJ is out of control since Trump was in DC the week before on that issue and they still went to his house to make a big media event.  I can't play Left vs Right on this one.  It was done and agreed to for a reason by both parties to achieve the ends they both want, which has to do with swaying voters.  Trust me, more voters will vote for Trump (the victim) because of that move, and the Democrats know it.

I don't know what else to tell you on that.  

You are beyond help, friend.

I try to talk to you using rational facts and reason, and all you come back with is the standard, goofball conspiracies and excuse making.

Save that junk for your QAnon meetings. 

I'm not interested. 

[JFW657]

2 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

well, when you are conditioned to NOT connect the dots, it makes you easier to control.  And when someone else is actually connecting the dots, you look at them like they have three arms instead of two.

"....connect the dots....."  

You remind me of an old friend who I've known most of my life. Since the 7th grade. He was always a little weird, so I wasn't greatly surprised to learn, thanks to the magic of social media, that aside from being the Bible thumper he'd already become back when we still lived in the same neighborhood, he's now become a dedicated Trumper goofball and a raving conspiracy nutjob.

And like all conspiracy nutjobs, he occasionally uses trite, hackneyed conspiracy jargon like "...connect the dots..." 

So I created a little meme (not my idea, I just got a better bottom photograph than the original and improved the wording a bit) and posted it on my social media account, knowing that he'd see it and that it was directed at him..... 

  

Applies here, too.