The Republic Is Saved.

[jrs2]

11 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

You are beyond help, friend.

I try to talk to you using rational facts and reason, and all you come back with is the standard, goofball conspiracies and excuse making.

Save that junk for your QAnon meetings. 

I'm not interested. 

The FBI claiming plausible deniability on national TV at the hearing is a conspiracy theory?  Wow.  

You're not using rational facts; you are making statements and when that statement is countered, you claim conspiracy.  Watch the news that you hold so dear for a change.

[jrs2]

8 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

"....connect the dots....."  

You remind me of an old friend who I've known most of my life. Since the 7th grade. He was always a little weird, so I wasn't greatly surprised to learn, thanks to the magic of social media, that aside from being the Bible thumper he'd already become back when we still lived in the same neighborhood, he's now become a dedicated Trumper goofball and a raving conspiracy nutjob.

And like all conspiracy nutjobs, he occasionally uses trite, hackneyed conspiracy jargon like "...connect the dots..." 

So I created a little meme (not my idea, I just got a better bottom photograph than the original and improved the wording a bit) and posted it on my social media account, knowing that he'd see it and that it was directed at him..... 

  

Applies here, too.      

that's pretty good. I don't take offense.  I have a story for you now:

So, I HAD an old friend who was a liberal democrat, hated Palin, marched around Lake Eola twice when trump was elected, was a racist, a fat shamer, a sexist, a Disney lover, a daily pot smoker, and a pervert (I don't fault him for being a perv or for the weed).  Anyway, I know for a fact from medical professionals that I know that hospitals make like $35k or something like that for every positive covid D/x they reported to Uncle Sam., and they report it b/c of their contract with Medicare (and to get paid).  I also have friends oversees that were approached by a British hospital to get their "permission" to put covid as "cause of death" for a family member in exchange for $$$.  I told him this a year ago and he "canceled" me after 25 years of friendship.  Seriously?  Is dogma that important that someone cancels a "friend" because of that bit of info?  WTF?

What, the medically moral superiority of the f*cking democratic party trumps a fact?  What kind of BS is that?  Over covid?  

Well, when you rush to the OCCC to stick a needle in your arm and afterwards, someone tells you the above, the last thing you want to consider is whether or not you got duped by politicians in bed with Big Pharma, and then wonder what exactly you introduced into your  bloodstream, while you suffer from heart complications and neuropathy in the upper extremities.  I know it would keep me from sleeping at night. 

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

that's pretty good. I don't take offense.  I have a story for you now:

So, I HAD an old friend who was a liberal democrat, hated Palin, marched around Lake Eola twice when trump was elected, was a racist, a fat shamer, a sexist, a Disney lover, a daily pot smoker, and a pervert (I don't fault him for being a perv or for the weed).  Anyway, I know for a fact from medical professionals that I know that hospitals make like $35k or something like that for every positive covid D/x they reported to Uncle Sam., and they report it b/c of their contract with Medicare (and to get paid).  I also have friends oversees that were approached by a British hospital to get their "permission" to put covid as "cause of death" for a family member in exchange for $$$.  I told him this a year ago and he "canceled" me after 25 years of friendship.  Seriously?  Is dogma that important that someone cancels a "friend" because of that bit of info?  WTF?

What, the medically moral superiority of the f*cking democratic party trumps a fact?  What kind of BS is that?  Over covid?  

Well, when you rush to the OCCC to stick a needle in your arm and afterwards, someone tells you the above, the last thing you want to consider is whether or not you got duped by politicians in bed with Big Pharma, and then wonder what exactly you introduced into your  bloodstream, while you suffer from heart complications and neuropathy in the upper extremities.  I know it would keep me from sleeping at night. 

Nice example of "Things you THINK you "know" because some guy who's a friend of another guy's family's next door neighbor's cousin's wife" told you". 

Yeah, never heard anything like that before....   

BTW, I've been vaxxed at least three times, maybe four and I've never had the slightest negative react...... 

 

 

 

[jrs2]

1 hour ago, JFW657 said:

Nice example of "Things you THINK you "know" because some guy who's a friend of another guy's family's next door neighbor's cousin's wife" told you". 

Yeah, never heard anything like that before....   

BTW, I've been vaxxed at least three times, maybe four and I've never had the slightest negative react...... 

uh oh...are we gonna have to send EMS out to your place!?

too late now I guess...  I'm gonna miss your posts...

[jrs2]

On 10/4/2022 at 2:22 PM, orange87 said:

Herschel Walker, who supports a total abortion ban, apparently paid for an abortion for one of his many girlfriends in 2009. Walker has also tried to paint himself as a "family man," but his children paint a very different picture of him, saying he was an abusive and violent deadbeat.

Meanwhile, Marjorie Taylor Greene is in a messy divorce. Her soon to be ex-husband now says he wants all divorce documents to be made public so everyone can see how unhinged she is.

they should rename this forum from Urban Planet to Socialist Planet.  All I see are hack jobs against conservative candidates and you don't even try to hide it.  Let's start airing the dirty laundry from the Liberal candidates- or is that a conspiracy theory material because they are so perfect?

[orange87]

2 hours ago, JFW657 said:

Nice example of "Things you THINK you "know" because some guy who's a friend of another guy's family's next door neighbor's cousin's wife" told you". 

Yeah, never heard anything like that before....   

BTW, I've been vaxxed at least three times, maybe four and I've never had the slightest negative react...... 

I find it particularly odd that Trumpsters are against the COVID vaccine considering it is Trump who did "Operation Warp Speed."

[JFW657]

59 minutes ago, orange87 said:

I find it particularly odd that Trumpsters are against the COVID vaccine considering it is Trump who did "Operation Warp Speed."

I think Trump's push for Operation Warp Speed had as much to do with election year politics as anything.

The development of the vaccines happened not only because of, but also despite Trump.

He was the most anti-science president in modern history who earlier, had expressed anti-vaccine views and mocked people who cited scientific evidence to push for basic public health measures in response to the pandemic.

He refused to wear a mask or encourage others to do so, but at the same time, recognized vaccines to be something that he could make happen and take political credit for. Unlike masks, vaccines amounted to a display of American technology, as well as something that didn’t require unpopular steps like closing small businesses, etc.  

IOW, he was as always, thinking of his own public image.  

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

they should rename this forum from Urban Planet to Socialist Planet.  All I see are hack jobs against conservative candidates and you don't even try to hide it.  Let's start airing the dirty laundry from the Liberal candidates- or is that a conspiracy theory material because they are so perfect?

Go ahead.

There are plenty of areas I'm not in agreement with far left, progressive liberals on.

Of course, there may be some disagreement between us over what constitutes "liberal".

I'm guessing that you, being as enraptured with Trumpism as you are, probably feel that anything to the left of Genghis Khan is too liberal. 

I hold extremists on both side in more or less equal disdain, though I think my disdain for extremists on the right is more closely bordering on contempt. 

[mintscraft56]

20 hours ago, jrs2 said:

Oh, the people on this thread cannot stand the fact that you just posted this, and they will probably ignore you as a result so that your comments just go away.

Read my post just above yours.  And welcome to the Orlando Coffee House sub-forum.

Just remember, if you're against inflation and the continual printing of money, to them, that must mean that you are governed by greed and self interest because you cannot possibly care about your fellow man, right?

And they don't care about the American Family; because according to them, the Government Establishment knows best to take care of it's citizens, including issue of parenting.  But as far as "family" goes, weaken it and the government gets more influence and control.

 

20 hours ago, JFW657 said:

Joe Biden's actions and policies have had little if anything to do with the current conditions.

A two year pandemic and an out of control wannabe strongman dictator in charge of a nuclear and economically powerful nation who is waging a useless and unjustified takeover attempt on its neighbor have come together to create a perfect storm.

It can be argued that Trump bears a significant amount of blame because he didn't act fast enough on COVID in 2020 and his cozying up to Putin emboldened him.

I would not be surprised if the world were to learn that, part of Putin's multifold goal of his war on Ukraine, is to help foster such a climate of dissatisfaction with Biden here in the US, that it helps put his willing puppet and toady trump back in office.  

I just cant understand how you guys praise Biden like that. Its just honestly astonishing to see this on a site where people usually use their brain to figure things out (looking at (name removed). Now, forgive me if that was offensive and by all means I wish both of you well. But for you to completely ignore and dance around the facts I provided, and to quickly then blame Trump just tells me you guys are just too lost to liberalisim. Im not a hard core leftist and im not a hard core righty, im just a guy with the facts and its just hard to watch you two claim our republic is saved thanks to Biden....which no, it really is not. 

Now, JFW657 tried at a good argument and I respect that. However I do disagree on the covid thing. Mind you, covid hit the whole world like a bullet to the brain, everything shut down and the world was left frozen in time. It was crazy and it was unpredictable. And for Ukraine, I dont think all our problems were because of Ukraine' s war. Mind you, just looking at the inflation numbers statistically, everything was going up in price before the war during bidens office, though it can be argued that the war did infact make it a little worse. With that, I dare say Biden's response was slow to the inflation. Its not like his approval rating dropped to the sub 50s for no reason. 

And to my other, (name removed), your completely lost in it. All you did was throw insults and pray that I would vanish along with my comment. Well sorry to say, bud, im here to stay and your not going to insult me. And no im not mad at inflation because im "greedy" Its because im broke, im dead*ss BROKE. I work, I drive and I need to eat to live. I spend all my cash living life at its simplest because im not rich, I might not even be considered middle class,  and as the price of things go up, I get poorer. 

Sometimes you need to look at your own people, like me who NEED help financially. It hurts to see others outside the nation go to war, but right now, us, the common citizens are fighting our own war to live in our own nation. 

Edited October 6, 2022 by mintscraft56

[jrs2]

13 hours ago, JFW657 said:

Go ahead.

There are plenty of areas I'm not in agreement with far left, progressive liberals on.

Of course, there may be some disagreement between us over what constitutes "liberal".

I'm guessing that you, being as enraptured with Trumpism as you are, probably feel that anything to the left of Genghis Khan is too liberal. 

I hold extremists on both side in more or less equal disdain, though I think my disdain for extremists on the right is more closely bordering on contempt. 

that was a great post.  especially since you dropped the "enraptured" bomb on me. can I start using that term?

so...why then can't everyone just lay their cards out on the table then?

[jrs2]

14 hours ago, orange87 said:

I find it particularly odd that Trumpsters are against the COVID vaccine considering it is Trump who did "Operation Warp Speed."

I already tried to tell everyone that Trump is part of it but nobody wants to even consider that as a possibility; it's too complex to wrap your head around.  people just default to the 'he was in office when it happened' and 'he fired Obama's CDC people' and 'he's to blame'.  that's simpler and easier to understand, no offense.  But Liberals are so great at erasing history in the name of PC.  Well, when you erase history, you don't have it to reference to to understand what's going on in the present.  In other words, if you don't know where you've been, you don't know where you are, and you don't know where you're going.

You mention Trumpsters, but Democrats and liberals have been at the forefront of holistic medicine historically.  Are you even aware of this?  Go to CA and see what I'm talking about.  But, the LEFT is all in with the dictates of the government, and the government is in bed with Big Pharma.  Granted, the RIGHT to a point is also in bed with Big Pharma; when you see Holy Rollers praying to Jesus for a "vaccine".  Since when is "God" for sticking a needle in your arm?  What a manipulation.

So they're all in on it.

And on the history example, Trump is controlled opposition.  He checks all the boxes.  He wasn't impeached a second time for a reason, because they want "it" to continue.  

So either Trump is a vaccine head and believes in vaccines, or he's not and is in bed with Big Pharma as well.  I mean you can't possibly believe in the dog and pony show when they televise someone getting a "vaccine" on national TV and believe what they are portraying is real?  I mean I've never seen a bigger manipulation in my life then them doing "show and tell" for the population to see to get them to submit.

I mean you're a hockey fan so I assume hockey fans are Alphas.  Please tell me you don't get duped by that kind of manipulation on TV.

12 hours ago, mintscraft56 said:

I just cant understand how you guys praise Biden like that. Its just honestly astonishing to see this on a site where people usually use their brain to figure things out (looking at jrs2). Now, forgive me if that was offensive and by all means I wish both of you well. But for you to completely ignore and dance around the facts I provided, and to quickly then blame Trump just tells me you guys are just too lost to liberalisim. Im not a hard core leftist and im not a hard core righty, im just a guy with the facts and its just hard to watch you two claim our republic is saved thanks to Biden....which no, it really is not. 

Now, JFW657 tried at a good argument and I respect that. However I do disagree on the covid thing. Mind you, covid hit the whole world like a bullet to the brain, everything shut down and the world was left frozen in time. It was crazy and it was unpredictable. And for Ukraine, I dont think all our problems were because of Ukraine' s war. Mind you, just looking at the inflation numbers statistically, everything was going up in price before the war during bidens office, though it can be argued that the war did infact make it a little worse. With that, I dare say Biden's response was slow to the inflation. Its not like his approval rating dropped to the sub 50s for no reason. 

And to my other friend, jrs2, your completely lost in it. All you did was throw insults and pray that I would vanish along with my comment. Well sorry to say, bud, im here to stay and your not going to insult me. And no im not mad at inflation because im "greedy" Its because im broke, im dead*ss BROKE. I work, I drive and I need to eat to live. I spend all my cash living life at its simplest because im not rich, I might not even be considered middle class,  and as the price of things go up, I get poorer. 

Sometimes you need to look at your own people, like me who NEED help financially. It hurts to see others outside the nation go to war, but right now, us, the common citizens are fighting our own war to live in our own nation. 

I think you referred to me by mistake, my friend.  I was the one welcoming you and trying to tell you how they would react to your comments

[jrs2]

14 hours ago, JFW657 said:

I think Trump's push for Operation Warp Speed had as much to do with election year politics as anything.

The development of the vaccines happened not only because of, but also despite Trump.

He was the most anti-science president in modern history who earlier, had expressed anti-vaccine views and mocked people who cited scientific evidence to push for basic public health measures in response to the pandemic.

He refused to wear a mask or encourage others to do so, but at the same time, recognized vaccines to be something that he could make happen and take political credit for. Unlike masks, vaccines amounted to a display of American technology, as well as something that didn’t require unpopular steps like closing small businesses, etc.  

IOW, he was as always, thinking of his own public image.  

man, again...the mask wearing is a way for the Authority to gage just how many people are "all in" and how many people are not.  when you see dumba55e5 driving in their cars wearing masks and walking down the sidewalks on breezy days wearing masks, that's when you know just how powerful the mechanism of control is.  If you can't see that, then you're D- O- N- E done.  Trump is part of it.  The non-mask wearing is just another way to triangulate who likely supports him versus the Authority, the symbol being Biden (in 2020).  

You either can't see it or you just don't want to see it.  

[mintscraft56]

35 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

I think you referred to me by mistake, my friend.  I was the one welcoming you and trying to tell you how they would react to your comments

I think that was a case of accidental friendly fire on my part. I was already enraged from an earlier argument from another site on things like this and I was blinded by that anger. I read your comment as an insult so I took action against it, albet, mistakenly. 

Forgive me for that mistake on my part. However the fact remains on what I said about Biden and the situation his administration put us, the common citizens in. 

Edited October 6, 2022 by mintscraft56

[jack]

22 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

Have you been to a MAGA rally?  Just seeing the merch they were selling outside the one at the Am tells you a lot.

That’s rather like saying you think it was OK that several local counties had elected officials, including sheriffs and justices of the peace, as members of the KKK well into the 1970’s (until the Sentinel started investigating it). “That’s ok, they didn’t mean it, right?”

Using a rally is a poor example because it draws on a small slice of his voters. Also, there still are Klan members embedded in police departments. But that does not mean the police as a whole are racist. 

[jrs2]

8 minutes ago, mintscraft56 said:

I think that was a case of accidental friendly fire on my part. I was already enraged from an earlier argument from another site on things like this and I was blinded by that anger. I read your comment as an insult so I took action against it, albet, mistakenly. 

Forgive me for that mistake on my part. However the fact remains on what I said about Biden and the situation his administration put us, the common citizens in. s

it's all good. 

 

[jack]

21 hours ago, jrs2 said:

Oh, the people on this thread cannot stand the fact that you just posted this, and they will probably ignore you as a result so that your comments just go away.

Read my post just above yours.  And welcome to the Orlando Coffee House sub-forum.

Just remember, if you're against inflation and the continual printing of money, to them, that must mean that you are governed by greed and self interest because you cannot possibly care about your fellow man, right?

And they don't care about the American Family; because according to them, the Government Establishment knows best to take care of it's citizens, including issue of parenting.  But as far as "family" goes, weaken it and the government gets more influence and control.

You should tell that to the new right. They are embracing all of these ideas. 

[jrs2]

7 minutes ago, jack said:

You should tell that to the new right. They are embracing all of these ideas. 

Hmmm? what's the New Right?  I guess I have to do a google search...

[jack]

5 minutes ago, jrs2 said:

Hmmm? what's the New Right?  I guess I have to do a google search...

Josh Hawley, Blake Master, Rubio and Desantis from time to time, JD Vance. The ones that are all in on nationalism, or as I like to say, big state conservatism. Frankly, they are all cultural marxist in my opinion. Oren Cass is another and runs a think tank devoted to it. Really horrible stuff. 

[jrs2]

22 hours ago, spenser1058 said:

Have you been to a MAGA rally?  Just seeing the merch they were selling outside the one at the Am tells you a lot.

That’s rather like saying you think it was OK that several local counties had elected officials, including sheriffs and justices of the peace, as members of the KKK well into the 1970’s (until the Sentinel started investigating it). “That’s ok, they didn’t mean it, right?”

I admit...I've been to a MAGA rally.  it was at Amway. 

I don't remember anything about the merch, other than the Make America Great Again moniker that was beotchized by the Left by rallying Blacks like 49er dude sitting on benches during the Pledge.  Why do you think attendance numbers in the NFL suffered that year?  

As for the KKK, not a member and I don't get it.    The BLM riots; painting Rosalind with it; destruction of property and lives, and Democrat officials do absolutely nothing about it.  Why?  Chicago's Michigan Ave gets destroyed and their piece of sh!t liberal lesbian mayor just lets the city go down the toilet.  Same mayor directs CPD to do nothing when Blacks try to carjack people just off of I-94 in broad daylight.  Yeah, I know about that too- firsthand. 

I already gave the example of the Mexican Mafia opening fire on BLM rioters to quell their advances into their Chicago hood.  No one reports on that, but what if it was Whitey doing that? Yeah.  What do you have to say about that?  Am I going to get a "like" for showing how Mexicans quelled BLM rioters--in CHICAGO of all places, a liberal stronghold? Whoa, wait a minute...aren't the liberals counting on Mexicans crossing illegally into Texas for political support?  

Do you have anything to say about that, Spenser?  No applause for the Mexican gang?Why, because it goes against your narrative?  Haha.  The Mexican Gang did this AFTER Trump waged war on MS13 in the media.  How do you even explain that?  

keep focusing on the "idea" of the KKK and drawing peoples' attention there when it should be on actual events going on around the country caused by the Left in an attempt to divide society and Leftists turning a blind eye to it while all the while claiming a moral, medical, scientific, economic, political, and other superiority while doing it.--AND, blaming the white man for it to boot.  And then Biden saying that MAGA is a threat to the US or whatever. Yeah...maybe a threat to Leftism.

Cheers!

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, jrs2 said:

man, again...the mask wearing is a way for the Authority to gage just how many people are "all in" and how many people are not.  when you see dumba55e5 driving in their cars wearing masks and walking down the sidewalks on breezy days wearing masks, that's when you know just how powerful the mechanism of control is.  If you can't see that, then you're D- O- N- E done.  Trump is part of it.  The non-mask wearing is just another way to triangulate who likely supports him versus the Authority, the symbol being Biden (in 2020).  

You either can't see it or you just don't want to see it.  

People do things for countless personal reasons.

I've found myself driving with a mask on simply because I forgot to take it off.

Just didn't notice it. 

You have to make a lot of convenient assumptions to push your Trump cultist political agenda. 

[jrs2]

10 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

People do things for countless personal reasons.

I've found myself driving with a mask on simply because I forgot to take it off.

Just didn't notice it. 

You have to make a lot of convenient assumptions to push your Trump cultist political agenda. 

LOL.  I love it.  it's hard to get mad when my drink is coming out my nose b/c you're making me laugh.

hey, I've done it too.  But, there are people scared out of their wits because of this thing...unreasonably so...is my point.

[JFW657]

1 hour ago, mintscraft56 said:

I think that was a case of accidental friendly fire on my part. I was already enraged from an earlier argument from another site on things like this and I was blinded by that anger. I read your comment as an insult so I took action against it, albet, mistakenly. 

Forgive me for that mistake on my part. However the fact remains on what I said about Biden and the situation his administration put us, the common citizens in. 

Trump Kool Aid ^^^^.

Biden and his policies have had little effect on the economy.

Maybe if Biden had reacted to Russia's invasion of Ukraine the way we all know Trump would have - stood back and basically held the door open for them - Russian gas and oil would be flowing as before and our gas prices at the pump might be a buck a gallon lower, but the supply chain issues and the inflationary prices in the stores, are all directly attributable to the two year pandemic. 

 

[JFW657]

1 minute ago, jrs2 said:

LOL.  I love it.  it's hard to get mad when my drink is coming out my nose b/c you're making me laugh.

hey, I've done it too.  But, there are people scared out of their wits because of this thing...unreasonably so...is my point.

Some people are like that.

Easily led around by the nose like obedient sheep.

You can scare them silly with anything.

For example, like the way Trump and the extremist xenophobic far right scare their gullible cultists over illegal immigrants by making them all out to be rapists and drug smugglers, etc.

Same principle, just much lower class and with dirt-low moral principles involved because of the way they demonize mostly poor helpless people for political gain. 

[jrs2]

8 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

Trump Kool Aid ^^^^.

Biden and his policies have had little effect on the economy.

Maybe if Biden had reacted to Russia's invasion of Ukraine the way we all know Trump would have - stood back and basically held the door open for them - Russian gas and oil would be flowing as before and our gas prices at the pump might be a buck a gallon lower, but the supply chain issues and the inflationary prices in the stores, are all directly attributable to the two year pandemic. 

well, you already know what my take is on the REAL reasons for...everything.

That being said, the "pandemic" was nurtured and magnified and extended over what amounted to a strain of the flu.  The media ran with it; politicians ran with it; the medical industry ran with it; people looking for their big pay days ran with it.  If Biden had his way, the entire country would have been on lockdown knowing that small businesses would have all been destroyed.  He went toe to toe with DeSantis on that issue and DeSantis told him to pound sand.  Buddy changed the rules on bars and they filed suit against the city as a result.  

But citing to something (pandemic) that was nurtured along by the party charged with overseeing the economy as a scapegoat for the economy suffering isn't right.

[jrs2]

8 minutes ago, JFW657 said:

Some people are like that.

Easily led around by the nose like obedient sheep.

You can scare them silly with anything.

For example, like the way Trump and the extremist xenophobic far right scare their gullible cultists over illegal immigrants by making them all out to be rapists and drug smugglers, etc.

Same principle, just much lower class and with dirt-low moral principles involved because of the way they demonize mostly poor helpless people for political gain. 

LOL.  MS13... yeah...

so you have one party bringing in illegals for votes, and the other party trying to stop it.

in the middle, you have actual immigrants that are here legally, getting really pissed off at the Democrats for giving illegals a free ride.  And, you have Blacks getting really pissed off b/c illegals are doing cheap labor and they are getting the jobs that some Blacks and similar demographic white, etc., can't do now b/c those jobs are taken.

And the Democrats do it for votes but cite to altruistic reasons for it.  Interestingly, the GOP, when they were in power, did absolutely nothing (that I know of) to change the apparatus allowing this to happen).  So you have to ask yourself...why?  If the GOP complains about it yet does nothing about it, then there's hypocrisy there as well.

all of the sudden, this kid doesn't seem so off the mark with my prior assessments of "things..."