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9 hours ago, Downtowner said:

Yeah we will see for how long though. People from the dc area are moving in all over Winchester now. So many new neighborhoods popping up and so many roads being upgraded at the moment. Lots of change going on up there. 

I'm sure it is. That's just par for the course there, though, I guess.

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I’m going to try to ignore my “priors” about a casino best I can here…Although I see the point of the casino referendum tying into a larger point about RVA, it is interesting to review posts from this spring assessing the various proposals. Urban One’s proposal consistently ranked last here. Assessments included “terrible design, terrible location” and “I hope we don’t get screwed” by the city selecting Urban One. Ultimately, the voters rejected something that was liked by approximately zero people here.

Now, I’m not going to be dishonest and claim the vote itself had anything much to do with the specific proposal put on the ballot or that the result would have been different had a different proposal been selected. (If anything, I’m guessing the SA proposal may have been defeated more soundly.) And to be fair some of the objections to Urban One on here had to do with factors, like building height, that seem peculiar interests to weirdos here like me and not necessarily the general public. If the lament is what RVA lost through this vote, however, it makes a certain amount of sense to reflect back on the general, pre-selection assessment here on what was selected and put to a vote.

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I'm glad this fell through.  The way I see it is if an area needs a casino to "rejuvenate", that means desperation.  Desperation can lead to poor decisions which can lead to other long term issues.  Look at the many areas across the Country which have used casinos as a way out.  Have they become major economic centers?  Have the schools and quality of life drastically improved in those areas?  I believe someone posted a comment that casinos mostly exploit the working class which I agree.  Richmond can do better and it will without casinos. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Shakman said:

I'm glad this fell through.  The way I see it is if an area needs a casino to "rejuvenate", that means desperation.  Desperation can lead to poor decisions which can lead to other long term issues.  Look at the many areas across the Country which have used casinos as a way out.  Have they become major economic centers?  Have the schools and quality of life drastically improved in those areas?  I believe someone posted a comment that casinos mostly exploit the working class which I agree.  Richmond can do better and it will without casinos. 

 

 

 

I'm with you on this. That may have even been me. 

Regardless, dead horse. Let's all agree to leave it at that. The votes have been counted.

 

...until the next casino referendum 

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2 hours ago, Shakman said:

I'm glad this fell through.  The way I see it is if an area needs a casino to "rejuvenate", that means desperation.  Desperation can lead to poor decisions which can lead to other long term issues.  Look at the many areas across the Country which have used casinos as a way out.  Have they become major economic centers?  Have the schools and quality of life drastically improved in those areas?  I believe someone posted a comment that casinos mostly exploit the working class which I agree.  Richmond can do better and it will without casinos. 

 

 

Norfolk must be desperate then. 

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2 hours ago, Brent114 said:

National Harbor has done wonders for that part of Maryland. 

It really has. Two years ago, my now ex-wife had a residency program she had to attend as part of her Ph.D program and it was held at National Harbor - and we turned it into a family vacation. While she was in her meetings and attending the various workshops, I took the kids all over the place - including an awesome day trip into D.C. The kids had never been to Washington - and I couldn't wait to take them to Air and Space and a few other places in D.C. I grew up going to constantly when I was a kid - and always enjoyed as a young adult. That whole area around National Harbor is vibrant and really impressive. I really enjoyed the week we spent there.

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15 minutes ago, eandslee said:

I had gone there numerous times before MGM and it was okay…not great. There were some restaurants, but as a whole it wasn’t “there” yet. There was no Ferris wheel…just a bunch of restaurants and the GayLord.  It was not that spectacular. 

We really enjoyed staying at the Gaylord - omg - a week there and we felt spoiled rotten! My kids LOVED it. And the Ferris wheel - the kids went NUTS to ride it and then they had to ride it a second time... and a third... and fourth... and... 

Let's just say we had a blast there. My ex and I really enjoyed walking around the town area and finding places to eat and get something nice to drink. Best fam vacation I've been on in quite a while.

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18 hours ago, I miss RVA said:

Norfolk must be desperate then. 

Not to go too off topic, but as someone who lived in the area for about two decades.....yes they are. Norfolk is extremely dependent on one employer, the Navy, and has been trying hard to diversify its economy over the past decade so that if anything happens (like a downturn in military funding) the city wont be hit economically.

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5 hours ago, ronsmytheiii said:

Not to go too off topic, but as someone who lived in the area for about two decades.....yes they are. Norfolk is extremely dependent on one employer, the Navy, and has been trying hard to diversify its economy over the past decade so that if anything happens (like a downturn in military funding) the city wont be hit economically.

Even though I was being facetious, I can see where Norfolk could be in a difficult economic position absent the massive military presence. Economic diversification is a must.

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RVA metro may still get a casino - not counting the Pamunkey who may still build in the city by going the federal route. General Assembly likely to look at amending the original casino bill to include suburban RVA localities.

From Richmond BizSense:

https://richmondbizsense.com/2021/11/09/could-the-richmond-casino-end-up-elsewhere-its-up-to-state-legislators/

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Just saw an RTD headline that there might be another referendum for a Casino in Richmond.  Someone who can get behind the paywall needs to read it and provide us an explanation.  Would love to know what they're talking about.  Apparently, there is a survey and petition circulating to do just that.

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17 minutes ago, eandslee said:

Just saw an RTD headline that there might be another referendum for a Casino in Richmond.  Someone who can get behind the paywall needs to read it and provide us an explanation.  Would love to know what they're talking about.  Apparently, there is a survey and petition circulating to do just that.

Looks like Trammel is running a petition for a potential new referendum while P2E/UrbanOne is likely running a survey.  The Ukrops are reported to have been a big donor to the anti-casino PAC.

Meanwhile Morrissey  is still pushing for Petersburg, with Mayor Parham's backing,  but that would most certainly require State action.

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Richmond City Councilwoman Reva Trammell says she is collecting signatures for a petition asking the city to hold another referendum for the $565 million casino resort that had been proposed in her Southside 8th district.

The petition drive and survey circulating by phone and automated text messages has led some political observers and casino opponents to speculate whether the project's backers are assessing how they can improve public messaging to win the popular vote in Richmond rather than 25 minutes south of the state capital on I-95.

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"Clearly they think that with slightly different messaging, they would have the opportunity to win if it came again," said Bob Holsworth, a veteran political analyst and former Virginia Commonwealth University dean. "They're exploring whether they would have a better chance of it passing if they redo the messaging with a stronger focus on challenges to the city's budget."

It's unclear who is circulating the survey. It is untitled and does not provide any additional information upon completion. Urban One, the national media conglomerate behind the Richmond casino proposal, did not deny involvement in the survey, but declined to answer questions Wednesday through its public relations office.

Holsworth, one of the recipients of the survey texts, said he's unsure who made it, but that it appears a "well-heeled" organization would prefer a casino in Richmond based on how the questions are framed.

https://richmond.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/another-richmond-casino-referendum-a-survey-and-petition-are-circulating-to-do-just-that/article_015c817d-7453-5bd2-ae3a-41182317a2e8.html

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10 minutes ago, Icetera said:

Looks like Trammel is running a petition for a potential new referendum while P2E/UrbanOne is likely running a survey.  The Ukrops are reported to have been a big donor to the anti-casino PAC.

Meanwhile Morrissey  is still pushing for Petersburg, with Mayor Parham's backing,  but that would most certainly require State action.

https://richmond.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/another-richmond-casino-referendum-a-survey-and-petition-are-circulating-to-do-just-that/article_015c817d-7453-5bd2-ae3a-41182317a2e8.html

Thanks for posting the run-down here.  Definitely something to keep our eye on.  This might get very interesting...or go nowhere at all.  Thanks again @Icetera!

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1 minute ago, Icetera said:

Looks like Trammel is running a petition for a potential new referendum while P2E/UrbanOne is likely running a survey.  The Ukrops are reported to have been a big donor to the anti-casino PAC.

Meanwhile Morrissey  is still pushing for Petersburg, with Mayor Parham's backing,  but that would most certainly require State action.

https://richmond.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/another-richmond-casino-referendum-a-survey-and-petition-are-circulating-to-do-just-that/article_015c817d-7453-5bd2-ae3a-41182317a2e8.html

It seemed like the opposite of what companies and advertising firms historically did in regard to the black community, either disregarding them or just having no idea how to engage with them. Only with the casino it was a black company that didn't know how to engage with white people.  They certainly spent enough on advertising, not like they weren't trying.  They either thought they could get this done purely relying on black voters, or just had no idea how to appeal to white people, and that clearly showed in the results of the referendum along racial lines.  

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