Richmond Resort & Casino

[Shakman]

I agree with many of those RBS comments.  Anti-democracy when the people have already voted to end this yet our incompetent City leaders are trying to again shove this garbage down our throats.  One comment summed it perfectly; its as if the City leaders think Richmond voters made a mistake and are stupid so lets do it again.

Casinos in Atlantic City, what's left of them, never helped Atlantic City, NJ.  Take a walk beyond the Boardwalk.  I have.

MGM National Harbor has not done much to help Prince Georges County, MD.  Go beyond the boundaries of the National Harbor and it's the same old.

Horseshoe in Baltimore has done nothing for the City.

Those who benefited from Casinos are the management companies that run these places.  Just a legal way to skim the impoverished with the excuse of "we will provide jobs".  Amazing how much people complain about "big corporations hurting the poor" but stay silent about casinos doing similar.  

Edited January 26, 2022 by Shakman

[Downtowner]

1 hour ago, Shakman said:

I agree with many of those RBS comments.  Anti-democracy when the people have already voted to end this yet our incompetent City leaders are trying to again shove this garbage down our throats.  One comment summed it perfectly; its as if the City leaders think Richmond voters made a mistake and are stupid so lets do it again.

Casinos in Atlantic City, what's left of them, never helped Atlantic City, NJ.  Take a walk beyond the Boardwalk.  I have.

MGM National Harbor has not done much to help Prince Georges County, MD.  Go beyond the boundaries of the National Harbor and it's the same old.

Horseshoe in Baltimore has done nothing for the City.

Those who benefited from Casinos are the management companies that run these places.  Just a legal way to skim the impoverished with the excuse of "we will provide jobs".  Amazing how much people complain about "big corporations hurting the poor" but stay silent about casinos doing similar.  

I think they are trying to be sneaky in a off election year hoping it will pass with less voters voting. No Governor or President this year just congressional elections. So I think there thought is hoping for it to pass with less voters possibly voting this year. But in all honestly I think this year is just as important as any year in the past.

[whw53]

Maybe this is all a ploy to keep the activist parties distracted with that front as the Diamond District negotiations play out with the selected development team.

Edited January 26, 2022 by whw53

[Icetera]

1 hour ago, Shakman said:

I agree with many of those RBS comments.  Anti-democracy when the people have already voted to end this yet our incompetent City leaders are trying to again shove this garbage down our throats.  One comment summed it perfectly; its as if the City leaders think Richmond voters made a mistake and are stupid so lets do it again.

Casinos in Atlantic City, what's left of them, never helped Atlantic City, NJ.  Take a walk beyond the Boardwalk.  I have.

MGM National Harbor has not done much to help Prince Georges County, MD.  Go beyond the boundaries of the National Harbor and it's the same old.

Horseshoe in Baltimore has done nothing for the City.

Those who benefited from Casinos are the management companies that run these places.  Just a legal way to skim the impoverished with the excuse of "we will provide jobs".  Amazing how much people complain about "big corporations hurting the poor" but stay silent about casinos doing similar.  

With exception of the oversaturated Atlantic City (not comparable), which was dying anyway, how have the others really hurt their localities?  Either way the locality brought in more revenues that likely helped other areas, even if not the immediate location.  Either way jobs were created that otherwise would not have been.   Failed legislation and candidate election attempts are retried again and again.  How is rerunning a referendum any different?  Why are we even arguing over allowing a private enterprise to set up a business using private money?

[Virginian11]

9 hours ago, Icetera said:

With exception of the oversaturated Atlantic City (not comparable), which was dying anyway, how have the others really hurt their localities?  Either way the locality brought in more revenues that likely helped other areas, even if not the immediate location.  Either way jobs were created that otherwise would not have been.   Failed legislation and candidate election attempts are retried again and again.  How is rerunning a referendum any different?  Why are we even arguing over allowing a private enterprise to set up a business using private money?

Your post is spot on - your last sentence/question is THE EXACT item that boggles my mind.  Private enterprise with private money.   End of story - the mental gymnastics to talk ourselves out of this is actually impressive.  
 

The casino is coming to the metro no matter what - I sure as hell would rather have it within our city limits.  

Edited January 27, 2022 by Virginian11

[I miss RVA]

Our good friends over on the RVA Reddit site posted this ditty. I have to admit the skidding car made me laugh. 

Mind you - I'm not posting this to express an opinion on the matter - I just thought we all might enjoy a good laugh courtesy of of meme that's actually pretty clever.

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by I miss RVA

[wrldcoupe4]

Ironic that the tax revenue from a 100% privately funded casino would help fund all of these things. 

[ancientcarpenter]

2 hours ago, wrldcoupe4 said:

Ironic that the tax revenue from a 100% privately funded casino would help fund all of these things. 

 

Guarantee a grocery store in Manchester and you just got yourself a casino.  I'm in fan but I'll vote YES just so I can stop hearing Manchester residents complaining "... another 5-10 story apartment development and no grocery store!"

Edited January 28, 2022 by ancientcarpenter

[123fakestreet]

2 hours ago, wrldcoupe4 said:

Ironic that the tax revenue from a 100% privately funded casino would help fund all of these things. 

Saw that meme the other day when it was posted and that was my exact thought.

The counter meme is "NIMBYs whine about city being underfunded then kneecap anything that would increase revenue." Ignoring that the city doesn't decide where to put grocery stores or affordable housing, and efforts they make to encourage affordable housing (Navy Hill) are also kneecapped by the same NIMBYs.

Edited January 28, 2022 by 123fakestreet

[I miss RVA]

3 hours ago, ancientcarpenter said:

 

Guarantee a grocery store in Manchester and you just got yourself a casino.  I'm in fan but I'll vote YES just so I can stop hearing Manchester residents complaining "... another 5-10 story apartment development and no grocery store!"

I agree with you 100% on this, Carpenter. Hey, I'm in Chicago, but I'll vote YES by proxy if we can find a way for it to be legal. 

[DowntownCoruscant]

The Senate bill to permit Petersburg to hold a casino referendum didn’t make it out of committee.

[I miss RVA]

44 minutes ago, DowntownCoruscant said:

The Senate bill to permit Petersburg to hold a casino referendum didn’t make it out of committee.

Just curious:  Anyone surprised? It was a longshot to begin with.

Edited February 11, 2022 by I miss RVA

[ancientcarpenter]

43 minutes ago, DowntownCoruscant said:

The Senate bill to permit Petersburg to hold a casino referendum didn’t make it out of committee.

This time. Watch what happens if RVA votes casino down this fall. 

[I miss RVA]

9 minutes ago, ancientcarpenter said:

This time. Watch what happens if RVA votes casino down this fall. 

If it goes 0-for-2 in RVA, do you think it would pick up any more votes for Petersburg if it's re-introduced next session?

Edited February 11, 2022 by I miss RVA

[ancientcarpenter]

11 hours ago, I miss RVA said:

If it goes 0-for-2 in RVA, do you think it would pick up any more votes for Petersburg if it's re-introduced next session?

Absolutely. Petersburg demographics are as follows: 

• Black or African American: 76.67%
• White: 17.45%
• Other race: 2.33%

One Casino is experienced (and very willing) to use all the tools at their disposal to target this demographic. They not only have done it already with RVA's "minority" demographic but it's easy pickings for them as they have the entire infrastructure for it (radio, news, celebrities, etc.) that have already been targeting this demographic for decades and decades. For One it will be as easy as just flipping a switch... and after two rounds of RVA advertising for the casino, I'm sure they've learned a thing or two about efficiencies! 

 

edit: I completely read your question wrong ha! I was wondering why you would have asked that.

Will it be brought back up in the Senate? Absolutely. Joe Morrissey is literally the gatekeeper to the Democrat wall against the GOP House and GOP Governor. He can make very sensitive moves that could rock the entire assembly b/c of the 21-19 Dem majority in the Senate. I'm sure a lot of conversations in the killing of this bill revolved around leadership asking Joe to stay low on this until RVA gets a second vote this fall... after that, all gloves are off and I'm sure the Dems would be more than happy to support him on it. 

Edited February 11, 2022 by ancientcarpenter

[I miss RVA]

3 hours ago, ancientcarpenter said:

Absolutely. Petersburg demographics are as follows: 

• Black or African American: 76.67%
• White: 17.45%
• Other race: 2.33%

One Casino is experienced (and very willing) to use all the tools at their disposal to target this demographic. They not only have done it already with RVA's "minority" demographic but it's easy pickings for them as they have the entire infrastructure for it (radio, news, celebrities, etc.) that have already been targeting this demographic for decades and decades. For One it will be as easy as just flipping a switch... and after two rounds of RVA advertising for the casino, I'm sure they've learned a thing or two about efficiencies! 

 

edit: I completely read your question wrong ha! I was wondering why you would have asked that.

Will it be brought back up in the Senate? Absolutely. Joe Morrissey is literally the gatekeeper to the Democrat wall against the GOP House and GOP Governor. He can make very sensitive moves that could rock the entire assembly b/c of the 21-19 Dem majority in the Senate. I'm sure a lot of conversations in the killing of this bill revolved around leadership asking Joe to stay low on this until RVA gets a second vote this fall... after that, all gloves are off and I'm sure the Dems would be more than happy to support him on it. 

Yes- I meant would it pick up any more votes in committee. I forget there's a Democratic majority in the Senate and that the Assembly is split. Not that I think a new referendum will turn out any differently in RVA this year vs last, but I will be curious to see if having a second crack at this changes the Stoney administration's focus and calculus on their big-ticket projects (Diamond District, City Center) in 2022. I hope and pray to God it doesn't. We need a serious, concentrated and well-designed/thought out push for those two redevelopments.

[ancientcarpenter]

9 hours ago, I miss RVA said:

Yes- I meant would it pick up any more votes in committee. I forget there's a Democratic majority in the Senate and that the Assembly is split. Not that I think a new referendum will turn out any differently in RVA this year vs last, but I will be curious to see if having a second crack at this changes the Stoney administration's focus and calculus on their big-ticket projects (Diamond District, City Center) in 2022. I hope and pray to God it doesn't. We need a serious, concentrated and well-designed/thought out push for those two redevelopments.

I was a NO vote but am a YES vote now if they put it back on ballot. Looks like that portion of the region is getting a casino one way or another...I'd much rather RVA get the perks than Petersburg!

[wrldcoupe4]

There we go!!!!!!!

[I miss RVA]

I heard that! 

[DowntownCoruscant]

There was a rumor going around yesterday that RVA casino take two legislation also died in committee, but I haven’t seen that reported anywhere.

[Brent114]

As much as I wanted to see the casino get built, putting it back on the ballot so soon seems really condescending. The voters spoke, decisively.  I’m not happy with the “no” vote  (especially considering that the people that actually live near the site voted overwhelmingly in favor of it) but I don’t see a new vote going differently.  If anything the votes against will be even greater.  No one likes to be told that they made a silly choice. 

[I miss RVA]

6 hours ago, DowntownCoruscant said:

There was a rumor going around yesterday that RVA casino take two legislation also died in committee, but I haven’t seen that reported anywhere.

I hadn't heard that rumor -- but you've got to figure THAT kind of new would be plastered all over the front page of the RT-D.

[DowntownCoruscant]

3 minutes ago, I miss RVA said:

I hadn't heard that rumor -- but you've got to figure THAT kind of new would be plastered all over the front page of the RT-D.

Crossed wires, it seems. It was the opposite, i.e., the Petersburg push.
 

https://www.wric.com/news/politics/capitol-connection/bill-seeking-to-block-second-casino-attempt-in-richmond-killed-in-committee/

[I miss RVA]

State budget amendment would postpone Richmond casino reduxferendum 'til 2023.

From Richmond BizSense:

https://richmondbizsense.com/2022/03/02/state-budget-amendment-would-prevent-richmond-casino-vote-until-2023/

[wrldcoupe4]

Bet that kills it.