Lat Purser Apartments (old Cannon Roofing site)

[westsider28 1138]

Thought this deserved its own thread.  At their meeting this evening, the DRB gave preliminary approval to this project.  It will be part of the My Niche brand, and it's designed by FMK Architects (Lat Purser has used them on other projects).  The building is planned as 132 units, 3-floors on Kennedy and 4-floors on Union (due to site slope), and will have stoop entrances for all ground-floor units.  The parking going toward the Henry corner isn't ideal, but focusing on the Kennedy corner is the right move.  All-in-all, it looks like a solid development.  If all goes well, they hope to start construction by May 2021.  Screenshots from Zoom:

[Spartanburg Dude 93]

Awesome, this will be a big help to an area of downtown that well... needs some help! Looking forward to seeing this rise!

[roads-scholar 164]

4 hours ago, Spartanburg Dude said:

Awesome, this will be a big help to an area of downtown that well... needs some help! Looking forward to seeing this rise!

Agree.  This project could be the catalyst that helps revitalize the Union Street corridor and improve an ugly vacant and oddly shaped lot.  

Edited December 2, 2020 by roads-scholar

[sptgguy 66]

very much lookign forward to seeing this happen and to see the growth of multi family units in downtown. With the increase, I am hoping to see some of the prices drop a bit as the current pricing is a bit steep. 

[westsider28 1138]

Saw a sign on-site that said this project will be going before the DRB for final approval on March 2.

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Here's the DRB packet for Tuesday's request for final approval.  Some slight changes of colors and more details on cladding materials.  The City's consultant recommends approval.  We'll see how the meeting goes.  Some updated screenshots:

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The DRB granted final approval to this project tonight.  Looking forward to this one starting construction this spring/summer!

[Spartan 1580]

The street level could be A LOT better (ground floor units need to be at ground level), but overall it's not bad. I think apartments will do well in downtown. I also think that once these are full it will demonstrate a much stronger market for downtown living that will result in more momentum in terms of apartment construction. That, in turn, will make the existing condos more viable in the long run.

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10 minutes ago, Spartan said:

The street level could be A LOT better (ground floor units need to be at ground level), but overall it's not bad. I think apartments will do well in downtown. I also think that once these are full it will demonstrate a much stronger market for downtown living that will result in more momentum in terms of apartment construction. That, in turn, will make the existing condos more viable in the long run.

The Urban Code actually requires elevation (2 feet min) for ground-floor residential entrances (stoops).  I agree that momentum is building for downtown living.

[Spartan 1580]

On 3/3/2021 at 10:25 PM, westsider28 said:

The Urban Code actually requires elevation (2 feet min) for ground-floor residential entrances (stoops).  I agree that momentum is building for downtown living.

I am fully in favor of stoops, and I'm glad to see that the bottom floor has street access from each unit. I was looking at the first 2-3 renderings in that series you posted on Monday, and the walls are what jump out at me. The corner feels like a giant wall and what I assume is the Union St elevation feels like the wall gets a bit tall on the right side. IMO just feels like the whole back end could drop about 3-5 ft vertically and it would still work. Or you could raise it 2-3 feet and add a ground level on that end.

Oh, and what's up with that detention pond? Not a fan of that. I support green infrastructure and protecting watersheds, but detention ponds feel very suburban to me.

I realize it seems like I'm just complaining. I really do like this project, overall.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Spartan said:

I am fully in favor of stoops, and I'm glad to see that the bottom floor has street access from each unit. I was looking at the first 2-3 renderings in that series you posted on Monday, and the walls are what jump out at me. The corner feels like a giant wall and what I assume is the Union St elevation feels like the wall gets a bit tall on the right side. IMO just feels like the whole back end could drop about 3-5 ft vertically and it would still work. Or you could raise it 2-3 feet and add a ground level on that end.

Oh, and what's up with that detention pond? Not a fan of that. I support green infrastructure and protecting watersheds, but detention ponds feel very suburban to me.

I realize it seems like I'm just complaining. I really do like this project, overall.

Yeah, the wall at the Union-Kennedy corner does seem a bit tall.  It's tricky to get all parts of the building to work well when there are elevation changes.

As for the detention pond, I think the City needs to reevaluate their stormwater regulations, because I agree that it hinders good urbanism.  I get that the ponds reduce flow into the sewer system during heavy rain events and help filter the water, but I feel like I don't see them in any other city.  Maybe permeable pavement or several smaller bioswales could be an alternative.

[Spartan 1580]

16 hours ago, westsider28 said:

Yeah, the wall at the Union-Kennedy corner does seem a bit tall.  It's tricky to get all parts of the building to work well when there are elevation changes.

As for the detention pond, I think the City needs to reevaluate their stormwater regulations, because I agree that it hinders good urbanism.  I get that the ponds reduce flow into the sewer system during heavy rain events and help filter the water, but I feel like I don't see them in any other city.  Maybe permeable pavement or several smaller bioswales could be an alternative.

True. It comes with the territory with larger footprint buildings. This is a great example of where good urbanism runs into the obstacles of suburban development regulations.

 

[spartanburgh 147]

This project is now underway. The job site trailer and grader have arrived on scene and the silt fence is installed. This is one corner that 

will be greatly improved by the removal of the old foundations and a  new structure built.

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Site work underway.  General contractor is Concorde Construction, which it appears Lat Purser has used quite often in the past on projects in Charlotte and Rock Hill.

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According to a sign on-site, this will be called The Fitzgerald (because it's on Kennedy Street, get it? So clever, lol). 

The altered JFK quote is a bit lame, IMO.

[roads-scholar 164]

9 hours ago, westsider28 said:

According to a sign on-site, this will be called The Fitzgerald (because it's on Kennedy Street, get it? So clever, lol). 

The altered JFK quote is a bit lame, IMO.

At least they're not calling it "The John". 

[vicupstate 760]

1 hour ago, roads-scholar said:

At least they're not calling it "The John". 

Is Kennedy street actually named (or was renamed) for JFK, or are they just playing on the name?  

[Spartanburg Dude 93]

3 hours ago, roads-scholar said:

At least they're not calling it "The John". 

Love the tag line... Ask not what you can do for your apartment... lol

[roads-scholar 164]

2 hours ago, vicupstate said:

Is Kennedy street actually named (or was renamed) for JFK, or are they just playing on the name?  

Kennedy Street was around way before JFK became president. 

The street (and The Kennedy Room at Headquarters Library downtown) are named for  Dr. Lionel C. Kennedy who was born in Charleston, South Carolina in 1816. He was the son of Lionel Henry Kennedy, a lawyer who retired to Spartanburg in 1836 due to failing health. Kennedy graduated from the Medical College at Charleston in 1834 and began practicing in Spartanburg in 1837. During the Civil War he served as a surgeon for the 13th Regiment of South Carolina Volunteers. At the end of the war, Kennedy continued his practice in Spartanburg. He was a respected physician in the community and after his death in 1880, his widow, Mrs. Helen Fayssoux Kennedy, donated his office and collection of books to create the first free public library in Spartanburg.  Attribution:  Spartanburg County Public Libraries.  

[roads-scholar 164]

2 hours ago, roads-scholar said:

Kennedy Street was around way before JFK became president. 

The street (and The Kennedy Room at Headquarters Library downtown) are named for  Dr. Lionel C. Kennedy who was born in Charleston, South Carolina in 1816. He was the son of Lionel Henry Kennedy, a lawyer who retired to Spartanburg in 1836 due to failing health. Kennedy graduated from the Medical College at Charleston in 1834 and began practicing in Spartanburg in 1837. During the Civil War he served as a surgeon for the 13th Regiment of South Carolina Volunteers. At the end of the war, Kennedy continued his practice in Spartanburg. He was a respected physician in the community and after his death in 1880, his widow, Mrs. Helen Fayssoux Kennedy, donated his office and collection of books to create the first free public library in Spartanburg.  Attribution:  Spartanburg County Public Libraries.  

 

 

Note Kennedy Street on this 1910 street map,

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There was a groundbreaking ceremony today, where the fact that the project includes workforce housing (13 units or 10% of total) was touted.  Another nugget of info is that the developers hope to complete construction by Fall 2022.

[Spartan 1580]

On 7/14/2021 at 12:58 PM, roads-scholar said:

 

 

Note Kennedy Street on this 1910 street map,

I love this map. It explains a lot about Spartanburg's streets... for example - Kennedy St feels very different after you cross Union St because its wider, but the reason it's wider is because it used to end at Union St. Fun stuff!