Nissan Stadium renovations and Titans Neighborhood, 100 acres, residential, office, retail/restaurant, hotels, riverfront park, green space

[downtownresident 6076]

This is a big enough project that it deserves is own category outside of the Sports and Athletic  Facilities thread. I have moved all the starting posts regarding this over here.

More at The Tennessean here:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/17/titans-nashville-nissan-stadium-upgrades/3915118001/


Some key quotes: 

“Nissan Stadium is poised for major renovations in the coming years, including a 100-acre mixed-used development that would bring a new entertainment hub and housing options to its campus. 

Mayor John Cooper and the Titans, in talks for a stadium deal since spring, are going public this week with the discussion as they say they're ready for community input. 

Dubbed the "East Bank neighborhood project," the stadium project is designed to act as a catalyst for the city’s bigger vision for East Bank of the Cumberland River and further bond the franchise to Nashville.”

“Think Wrigley Field's Wrigleyville. The concept includes riverfront parks, green space, housing, offices, retail and restaurants – and possibly one or two hotels. 

Financial details are slim, but it will take state legislation to make it happen. Cooper and Titans officials said the development will be privately funded and will generate millions in new tax revenue annually to fund stadium upgrades – mitigating the city's financial burden. 

It's unclear what the city's obligation would be in the project, though related-infrastructure work for the East Bank is expected as part of the effort to revitalize some 150 acres along the Cumberland River from Jefferson Street to Shelby Bottoms. 

“The plan for a vibrant neighborhood along our city’s East Bank, bringing people closer to parks and creating opportunities for local businesses, is a huge opportunity for our community,” Cooper said. “I am committed to a solution that best fits the needs of Nashville, and I know the Titans share that same commitment."”

 

“A group of investors has been floating plans to bring Major League Baseball to Nashville. But so far nothing has stuck, especially as the group is looking to locate near Nissan Stadium and the Cumberland River Park. 

Both the Titans and the administration made clear that baseball is not included in plans for the stadium project.”

This screen shot from Smeagolfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in teal at the center of the frame:
 

 

[nashvylle 7291]

John Cooper being involved in the conversations since the spring and going public with the Titans is great. 

[jkc2j 121]

Wonder what this means for Oracle at River North?

Edited December 18, 2020 by jkc2j

[downtownresident 6076]

3 minutes ago, jkc2j said:

Wonder what this means for Oracle at River North?

Just enhances the value of the River North site for them, I’d imagine. 

[Titans10 1381]

I wonder the time table is like with this project with our hopes of hosting World Cup matches I’m sure FIFA would want the renovations complete and a renovated stadium would really help our chances. 
 

I hope this is a good plan for the city, with the financial issues the city has and the global pandemic, announcing a bad financial plan right now would be a really bad look. 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Titans10

[MLBrumby 9653]

Anything to enable Nashville to host a Super Bowl? 

[smeagolsfree 20304]

I think the Wrigley Field concept is an over statement as that area took a 100 years to build up and is a true neighborhood with character. Nissan stadium is not Wrigley Field and you can't watch a game from the rooftops of surrounding homes as there are bleachers built there.

I think that statment is a pile of BS. 

In order for the Titans and Metro to get a true ROI it will end up being the standard midrise highrise concepts that are around other modern stadiums. The area around Wrigley is a true old school neighborhood. 

They basically said in the article the real estate price is increasing exponentially around the stadium , so it will be a major project. 

We are also looking at a 20 year build out, and also 20 years worth of upgrades so there will not be a new stadium. The article also said MLB was not brought up.

We now have enough mixed use projects to carry Nashville thru 2050!

[titanhog 16251]

So…as a football stadium, what will they do for parking?  They’ll obviously leave some of it surface lots…but I’m assuming some will be garage parking?

[smeagolsfree 20304]

As with any mixed use project, parking will have to be incorporated into the project to accommodate game day attendance. Underground and pedestal parking would have to be built underneath the new structures, thus anything that resembles a nice quite neighborhood is not there, especially if you are gong to have a entertainment district.

If I were the MLB group I think I would be trying to pool resource's  to incorporate a MLB stadium and their mixed use plan with what the Titans want to do. spread the risk to as many people as possible. That would be a win win for both groups and Metro.

[PaulChinetti 6194]

I’d like to see some numbers of people who actually drive and park at the stadium. Just from my experience with parking, I think it could be scaled way back. 

[henburg 1254]

1 hour ago, PaulChinetti said:

I’d like to see some numbers of people who actually drive and park at the stadium. Just from my experience with parking, I think it could be scaled way back. 

I was going to say the exact same thing, everybody I've known finds a lot downtown and makes the walk over the pedestrian bridge, it's usually easier to get out that way.

 

12 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

If I were the MLB group I think I would be trying to pool resource's  to incorporate a MLB stadium and their mixed use plan with what the Titans want to do. spread the risk to as many people as possible. That would be a win win for both groups and Metro.

That's a great point. I'm kind of surprised that they haven't had any kinds of conversations like that already, but going public with this may be the first step toward an agreement. I think that it's clear that the MLB's vision of being right at the foot of the pedestrian bridge is a no-go, but there's more than enough space for them to be incorporated and actually keep the area activated for more of the year. 

[nashvylle 7291]

Some great quotes from Amy Adams Strunk in this NashvillePost article:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/sports/sports-business/article/21145083/titans-mayor-cooper-discussing-a-lease-extension-stadium-upgrades

“Today is a big day for the Tennessee Titans organization, as we look to the future of Nissan Stadium and surrounding area,” Titans controlling owner Amy Adams Strunk said in a statement. “Our biggest priority throughout this process has been to envision a space that Nashvillians would be proud of, built with the community in mind."

“The idea of our stadium in a neighborhood where locals can live, work and enjoy, is something we’ve been focused on for a long time,” Adams Strunk continued. “Not only will the project serve generations of Nashvillians to come, but it will generate the revenue needed to provide Metro with substantial financial relief. We’re so appreciative of Mayor Cooper’s enthusiasm for this project.”

Of note-

The reported stadium upgrades would include a new scoreboard, new video displays, improvement of the technology across the stadium, an update to mechanical and electrical systems, new plumbing, plus new fan experiences and amenities such as premium seating and club areas

I am surprised that any sort of roof similar to Miami's Hard Rock Stadium are not included, or at least not mentioned. Amy Adams Strunk has mentioned that renovation several times in the past. 

[smeagolsfree 20304]

A 2017 study on the aging stadium found a need for nearly $300 million in improvements over the next 20 years, from upgrading old technology, scoreboard and video displays to fixing the mechanical, electrical and plumbing systems. 

 

300 million can go a long way. Lets see what it will include. That is the 2017 number and I will bet it is bigger now.

[Titans10 1381]

Canopy covering both the sidelines with expanded concourses on all three levels would be amazing, more food and beverage options.  Look at pictures of the Seahawks stadium, that’s what we should be shooting for. 
 

After going to Mercedes Benz in Atlanta last year you realize how bare bones Nissan stadium is. 

[PaulChinetti 6194]

The Titans could take a page or even the book from the Preds in game entertainment. 

A single working TV on the concourse in the upper level would be nice. Also a working tv that wasn't tiny, old as hell, and so dark that when they did work they were worthless. 

[titanhog 16251]

2 hours ago, henburg said:

That's a great point. I'm kind of surprised that they haven't had any kinds of conversations like that already, but going public with this may be the first step toward an agreement. I think that it's clear that the MLB's vision of being right at the foot of the pedestrian bridge is a no-go, but there's more than enough space for them to be incorporated and actually keep the area activated for more of the year. 

To me…it would be smart for the MLB guys to bring Adams on board as part owner if they get a team and turn that entire area into a sports complex (football and baseball stadium) with maybe 6-7 mixed used towers…lots of entertainments options, etc.  Could be a truly special part of the city…and having baseball could help drive that area to pull in way more $$ in the spring and summer when football isn’t going on.  Would be a shame to attempt to make that area an all-year entertainment area with just football alone.

[henburg 1254]

1 hour ago, Titans10 said:

Canopy covering both the sidelines with expanded concourses on all three levels would be amazing, more food and beverage options.  Look at pictures of the Seahawks stadium, that’s what we should be shooting for. 
 

After going to Mercedes Benz in Atlanta last year you realize how bare bones Nissan stadium is. 

The Seahawks stadium feels like a great model, as it is one of the few located so close to downtown like Nissan Stadium and they have incorporated surrounding developments nicely in recent years-

It also showcases the partial roof, which is a must-have in my opinion. I like that we have an open-air stadium with natural grass, but this solution would at least shield most fans from the elements and still keep that environment.

[nashvylle 7291]

 

8 minutes ago, henburg said:

The Seahawks stadium feels like a great model, as it is one of the few located so close to downtown like Nissan Stadium and they have incorporated surrounding developments nicely in recent years-

 

54 minutes ago, titanhog said:

To me…it would be smart for the MLB guys to bring Adams on board as part owner if they get a team and turn that entire area into a sports complex (football and baseball stadium) with maybe 6-7 mixed used towers…lots of entertainments options, etc.  Could be a truly special part of the city…and having baseball could help drive that area to pull in way more $$ in the spring and summer when football isn’t going on.  Would be a shame to attempt to make that area an all-year entertainment area with just football alone.

Seattle is a good example of what a NFL and MLB stadium sports complex could look like. 

Edited December 18, 2020 by nashvylle

[DMilner 547]

Modeling it after Hard Rock would be a home run. I grew up in south Florida and my dad went to Miami, so we typically go down once or twice a year for a game. You wouldn’t believe it was the same stadium if you had been before the renovations. 

[markhollin 102756]

Another interesting aspect buried in The Tennessean article:

Another factor is the city's aging Davidson County Juvenile Detention Center, which sits on the edge of the Titans' campus. It's long been on the city's capital improvements plan but has not been funded. It'll likely be relocated as part of the overall project. 

[bigeasy 1811]

5 hours ago, PaulChinetti said:

I’d like to see some numbers of people who actually drive and park at the stadium. Just from my experience with parking, I think it could be scaled way back. 

My family has parked at the stadium since the beginning. They have a core group of 20-40 people  each game that tailgate. Granted they all opted out this year.  It would upset quite a few of them if they lost the ability to park on site but I think some of them enjoy the tailgating more.  I don't go to any games but I typically ride my bike downtown for a game or two a year. After going to the same spot for the last 20+ years it is very easy to spot the difference in the parking lot. It used to be a madhouse finding a spot and almost no room to stretch. Now there is basically no rules to how much space you take up for tents, chairs, etc

[tragenvol 636]

Short-sided if it doesn't include some way to enclose the stadium for hosting potential Final Fours and Super Bowls...am I the only person who feels this way?

3 hours ago, titanhog said:

To me…it would be smart for the MLB guys to bring Adams on board as part owner if they get a team and turn that entire area into a sports complex (football and baseball stadium)

Not sure what she or the Adams family bring to the table other than a would be blessing for an MLB site...the Adams family is one of the "poorest" ownership groups in the NFL.

[MLBrumby 9653]

Certainly the tightest fisted.

[titanhog 16251]

33 minutes ago, tragenvol said:

Short-sided if it doesn't include some way to enclose the stadium for hosting potential Final Fours and Super Bowls...am I the only person who feels this way?

Not sure what she or the Adams family bring to the table other than a would be blessing for an MLB site...the Adams family is one of the "poorest" ownership groups in the NFL.

What it would bring is the possibility of an MLB stadium next to the CBD.  That’s all I’m concerned about.   Without getting the Titans and mayor on board, they’ll definitely have to build somewhere else…and land large enough to do that close to the CBD is minimal.

[samsonh 1158]

3 hours ago, titanhog said:

What it would bring is the possibility of an MLB stadium next to the CBD.  That’s all I’m concerned about.   Without getting the Titans and mayor on board, they’ll definitely have to build somewhere else…and land large enough to do that close to the CBD is minimal.

The mlb to Nashville to plan is not in any way serious. They have no substantial financial backer(which they need), and have lined up a few celebrity backers that quite clearly they have required no financial requirement from.
 

the continued talk of this is like talking about a 1000ft tower downtown!