Pearl District - Atrium/Wake Forest School of Medicine

[RANYC]

10 minutes ago, TheOneRJ said:

It sounds like Four Seasons has already signed the contract and is just keeping quiet yet still no signs of a Charlotte hotel.

You mean, no signs of Charlotte ponying up $125 million

[KJHburg]

OFF Topic

Duuuval would like a word with some of you Panthers fans.  The Jags went further in the playoffs than your  Cats. 

I like this Pearl district and the Med school and this will do wonders for Charlotte and diversifying our economic base.  I even heard rumors of a large hotel there no joke .  Jax is a medical center for sure as they have a branch of the Mayo Clinic there and it is huge.  Plus they already have a med school there the Univ. of Florida Jacksonville Medical school.  They have a 110 acre UF Health campus. 

But our French surgical training school for all of North America will generate a lot of hotel nights.

https://atriumhealth.org/about-us/newsroom/news/2022/03/global-surgical-training-institute-to-establish-us-headquarters-in-charlotte

 

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by KJHburg

[RANYC]

22 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

OFF Topic

Duuuval would like a word with some of you Panthers fans.  The Jags went further in the playoffs than your  Cats. 

I like this Pearl district and the Med school and this will do wonders for Charlotte and diversifying our economic base.  I even heard rumors of a large hotel there no joke .  Jax is a medical center for sure as they have a branch of the Mayo Clinic there and it is huge.  Plus they already have a med school there the Univ. of Florida Jacksonville Medical school.  They have a 110 acre UF Health campus. 

But our French surgical training school for all of North America will generate a lot of hotel nights.

https://atriumhealth.org/about-us/newsroom/news/2022/03/global-surgical-training-institute-to-establish-us-headquarters-in-charlotte

 

 

You sure about that?  This news headline appears to suggest otherwise?  Perhaps the UF Medical School in Jax is similar to what we're creating here - more a branch of a med school HQ.

What's more compelling about what we're doing is funding and building a research and innovation infrastructure

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/11/30/jacksonville-university-announces-areas-first-4-year-medical-school/

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by RANYC

[KJHburg]

7 minutes ago, RANYC said:

You sure about that?  This news headline appears to suggest otherwise?  Perhaps the UF Medical School in Jax is similar to what we're creating here - more a branch of a med school HQ.

What's more compelling about what we're doing is funding and building a research and innovation infrastructure

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/11/30/jacksonville-university-announces-areas-first-4-year-medical-school/

 

I am not sure but this is where I saw that

https://med.jax.ufl.edu/about/documents/fact_sheet.pdf

maybe it is like what Atrium had with UNC Chapel Hill med school the residency for 3rd and 4th year students.  Not sure.

anyway this Pearl is a game changer along with the new Eli Lilly pharmaceutical plant in Concord making this area more desirable for life sciences which traditionally landed in the Raleigh Durham Cary area.  After the Lilly announcement Cabarrus EDC said their phones exploded with interest of other life sciences companies interested in this region.  

 

[Hushpuppy321]

Another Rendering of the main Phase 1 building starting construction.

[Tyrone Wiggum]

Something Jacksonville has that Charlotte may never be able to duplicate for medical students: the smell of raw sewage in the morning, permeating the entire city.  Every M2 is gonna deal with sepsis or a perfed bowel, and what better way to get them ready than a city that smells like burning soiled diapers.

Mierda, Jacksonville!

[RANYC]

Not meaning to turn this into a bash Jax thread, but it’s important to draw clear distinctions to better understand the scale of what’s being built here and what our public dollars are helping to fund.  
 

My understanding is that UF Medical Jacksonville is not a 4-year medical university.  It is an urban campus with instruction and clinical rotations for 3rd year students from Gainesville.

It is a 110-acre campus, but if anyone has ridden over in that part of Jacksonville, you’ll know it is nothing short of a poorly designed urban wasteland.  Hardly walkable, not well maintained, and trauma appears to be playing out in more places than just the ER.  Not even mentionable in the same breath as what I’m seeing in the video clip of what the Pearl District is supposed to look like.

While Jax is subsidizing luxury apartment rentals and 4-seasons penthouses in its urban core along the River, Charlotte and the county are subsidizing a research, problem-solving, and medical ecosystem for working, living, and playing.  Far superior priorities and incomparable to anything I’m seeing in Jax’s center city.

Edited January 27, 2023 by RANYC

[JacksonH]

I have never been to Jacksonville, so I personally know nothing about it.  However, my niece used to live there.  Based on what I have heard from her and from others who have spent time there, to put it delicately, the quality of its culture and intellect of its citizens is not impressive.

Edited January 27, 2023 by JacksonH

[15895]

I hate how arrogant and snobby people from NY, DC, Boston, SF & Seattle are too! 

Oh wait. That’s just y’all being high & mighty. Carry on.  : p

(I still don’t know how to use the KJ blue font so just pretend mine is in KJ Blue) 

Edited January 28, 2023 by AirNostrumMAD

[KJHburg]

quick walk through the Pearl today.  Pile drivers are at the site of the first 2 buildings.  Here is a site plan sort of courtesy of @CLT Development

Development is going on in Parcels A, G and B it seems.  

Edited January 29, 2023 by KJHburg

[FLOSC843]

Nice, so work is set to start simultaneously on  two of the three parcels named. It will be pretty cool seeing continuous development along the morehead corridor from 277. 

[Reverie39]

Seems to me that given what already exists and the massive amount of growth about to happen, central Charlotte would really benefit from a Morehead streetcar. There is at least some level of density for a pretty vast stretch of that road. I could see a very useful streetcar starting at the intersection with Wilkinson, traveling through the apartment complexes west of Uptown, stopping by the Panthers stadium (maybe a future transfer to Silver Line?), then making several stops in the soon-to-be incredibly dense corridor through South End/Dilworth/Pearl District.  Finally it could terminate at the Atrium hospital or at Providence. I am no expert but I feel like such a streetcar would be pretty heavily used as Morehead runs right through the heart of Charlotte's exciting new developments. 

But I have no idea if this is even feasible. Given street widths, logistics, whatnot. Anyone know if it's something the city should actually be looking into?

[kermit]

On 2/1/2023 at 10:51 PM, Reverie39 said:

…..But I have no idea if this is even feasible. Given street widths, logistics, whatnot. Anyone know if it's something the city should actually be looking into?

It is certainly feasible in the sense that streetcars have operated on Morehead (between Tryon and Dilworth rd) in the past.

Edited February 6, 2023 by kermit

[JRCLT]

It is certainly feasible in the sense that streetcars have operated on Morehead in the past.
http://content.invisioncic.com/x329420/monthly_2023_02/image.jpeg.aac264612a6660063b7cafbb466079fc.jpeg

Or BRT… that can be upgraded to dedicated lane streetcars!

[Reverie39]

14 hours ago, kermit said:

It is certainly feasible in the sense that streetcars have operated on Morehead in the past.

It is truly a shame how many American streetcar tracks were torn up in the 20th century. Given its prior existence and the new development, a Morehead streetcar seems like a no-brainer to me. CityLinx Green Line?

[videtur quam contuor]

It may be under there, somewhere. The East Boulevard tracks were exposed during the improvements 15 or so years ago that turned the 4 lane stroad to the street it is today. A set of the old rails were installed on the island at Euclid and East with a marker. So many trucks and other vehicles jumped the island and damaged the display as well as themselves they removed the rails.*

It would not be sufficient for current operations of course. This is an historical note only.

*Why we cannot have nice things, etc.

Edited February 2, 2023 by tarhoosier

[JRCLT]

It is truly a shame how many American streetcar tracks were torn up in the 20th century. Given its prior existence and the new development, a Morehead streetcar seems like a no-brainer to me. CityLinx Green Line?

When Car came to the spotlight…it came with a bulldozer and with support by dollars. It gouged out any developing and existing transit in the early development of cities, all for the profit of our high and mighty overlords in the oil and automotive industries!

I’ve been plotting this line for months maybe Morehead-mint-Graham? When I have free time I just theorize where to plop a line in Charlotte.

[TheMightyBK]

How great would it be for the Gold Line streetcar to be on a circular route thru Midtown, up Morehead, under 277 by the stadium, then to Trade?  Sigh…

[Windsurfer]

On 2/2/2023 at 12:35 PM, tarhoosier said:

It may be under there, somewhere. The East Boulevard tracks were exposed during the improvements 15 or so years ago that turned the 4 lane stroad to the street it is today. A set of the old rails were installed on the island at Euclid and East with a marker. So many trucks and other vehicles jumped the island and damaged the display as well as themselves they removed the rails.*

It would not be sufficient for current operations of course. This is an historical note only.

*Why we cannot have nice things, etc.

It could've been feasible had we not done the "diet",  no?

[videtur quam contuor]

The original Charlotte Trolley had a path that went South on South to East and turned east to a terminus near the current Park Avenue and Dilworth West block. If one drives east on that stretch of street one sees East Blvd suddenly narrow from a wide, horse carriage plus double rail vehicle width to a much narrower width and that is the sign that the trolley went no further. The terminus was the new  (at the time) Latta Park in Dilworth which had pleasant attractions that could attract riders on weekends to this suburban location. There was also a ball field quite close to that location.  It was not just feasible then but necessary to encourage operations on Sundays and other days for fares to support the costs. One express purpose of the trolley was for real estate development. A much longer post would address that.

I see not how this could be accomplished now. 

If you are asking about the Morehead route that is another question. I doubt the willingness of Morehead property owners of today to experience the amount of time and incovenience a rail extension would require.

[Windsurfer]

1 hour ago, tarhoosier said:

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I see not how this could be accomplished now. 

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Why not ?  Re-open up the side lanes as they were and run the line down the center as it was.  What's the difference between that and the way it originally was? I guess South Blvd, would be the bottle neck unless you had it end at the East-West station where you could just transfer.

[kermit]

27 minutes ago, Windsurfer said:

Why not ?  Re-open up the side lanes as they were and run the line down the center as it was.  What's the difference between that and the way it originally was? I guess South Blvd, would be the bottle neck unless you had it end at the East-West station where you could just transfer.

Yea, no need to run a revived Dilworth streetcar up South blvd again since that parallels the Blue Line. In my fantasy world it would run down East to West blvd to Remont, then head to West Morehead, and then cut through Wesley Heights to run back into uptown using the old P&N to (roughly) Gateway station. Its honestly not a huge project and both East and West (mostly West) would seriously benefit from some traffic calming.  

[oops, we were talking about the Pearl District... my bad...]

I am not crazy about this map due to lousy figure to ground relationship but it may be the best we can do:

Edited February 4, 2023 by kermit

[Zeitgeist_4131]

Here’s you a little better 1935 map (if you click the image, you can zoom in with a  good amount of detail):

 

 

Edited February 6, 2023 by Zeitgeist_4131

[rancenc]

New medical facility proposed for Charlotte but the location of the planned facility is not mentioned so I thought I would just post here.

https://independenttribune.com/news/state-and-regional/out-of-state-hospital-looks-to-build-new-psychiatric-facility-in-charlotte/article_040e90ce-c625-52a0-bebb-daac1a48394e.html#tracking-source=home-the-latest

 

[DonkeyKong]

Looks like a Tower Crane is up at this site.