1015 S Main Street mixed use development

[vicupstate]

1015 S. Main Street

Latest application

[gman430]

Staff recommends approval with the following conditions:
1. Site plan approval is contingent upon building architecture approval. The DRB maintains the right to require minor site plan modifications that may result from review of the final building design.
2. Applicant is to work with staff and conduct an informal review by a 2-Member DRB Committee for the design specifics of the alleyway.
3. A landscape plan, completed by a licensed landscape architect, must be submitted for architectural review approval.
4. The 5th story of Building B should maintain a 20-foot step back from the façade wall of the first four (4) floors to maintain appropriate massing to adjacent structures.
5. A second loading and delivery zone should be provided on the southern end of the alleyway in order to provide enough space for moving and delivery trucks and to prevent any blockage of the alley’s travel lanes.
6. The northern portion of Building B and the private courtyard between Buildings A and B shall be flipped as a mirrored image to allow the courtyard to be adjacent to the alley.
7. A new Traffic Analysis Form shall be submitted for review to the Traffic Engineer at the same time as the architecture review.
8. This CA is considered a specific site development plan. As such, the CA issued for this project shall be subject to Land Management Ordinance Section 19-2.2.14 Lapse of approval/vested rights and the Vested Rights Act, Article 11, of Chapter 29, Title 6, of the Code of Laws of South Carolina, 1976 (S.C. Code §§ 6-29-1510 et seq.). The CA shall be valid for a period of two years from the date of approval by the Board. The Vested Right shall be granted up to five annual extensions upon a written request for an extension that must be received from the applicant at least sixty (60) days before expiration, unless any change or amendment to the land development ordinance or regulations of the City of Greenville’s Code of Ordinances were to be amended that would no longer allow execution of the site specific development plan. At any time during the two-year period or any subsequent Vested Rights extensions, the applicant may be granted a building permit from the City Building Official. Should the CA expire at any time prior to the application for a building permit, such permit shall not be issued until a current CA is provided.

Edited June 25, 2021 by gman430

[vicupstate]

On 6/25/2021 at 4:28 PM, gman430 said:

Staff recommends approval with the following conditions:
1. Site plan approval is contingent upon building architecture approval. The DRB maintains the right to require minor site plan modifications that may result from review of the final building design.
2. Applicant is to work with staff and conduct an informal review by a 2-Member DRB Committee for the design specifics of the alleyway.
3. A landscape plan, completed by a licensed landscape architect, must be submitted for architectural review approval.
4. The 5th story of Building B should maintain a 20-foot step back from the façade wall of the first four (4) floors to maintain appropriate massing to adjacent structures.
5. A second loading and delivery zone should be provided on the southern end of the alleyway in order to provide enough space for moving and delivery trucks and to prevent any blockage of the alley’s travel lanes.
6. The northern portion of Building B and the private courtyard between Buildings A and B shall be flipped as a mirrored image to allow the courtyard to be adjacent to the alley.
7. A new Traffic Analysis Form shall be submitted for review to the Traffic Engineer at the same time as the architecture review.
8. This CA is considered a specific site development plan. As such, the CA issued for this project shall be subject to Land Management Ordinance Section 19-2.2.14 Lapse of approval/vested rights and the Vested Rights Act, Article 11, of Chapter 29, Title 6, of the Code of Laws of South Carolina, 1976 (S.C. Code §§ 6-29-1510 et seq.). The CA shall be valid for a period of two years from the date of approval by the Board. The Vested Right shall be granted up to five annual extensions upon a written request for an extension that must be received from the applicant at least sixty (60) days before expiration, unless any change or amendment to the land development ordinance or regulations of the City of Greenville’s Code of Ordinances were to be amended that would no longer allow execution of the site specific development plan. At any time during the two-year period or any subsequent Vested Rights extensions, the applicant may be granted a building permit from the City Building Official. Should the CA expire at any time prior to the application for a building permit, such permit shall not be issued until a current CA is provided.

Site Plan/Massing plans approved with the above conditions but modifications to #4,5,6.

4. Can reduce setback to less than 20' but must show cause

5.  Not required to provide 2nd loading zone if one location can adequately serve both buildings

6. Courtyard is NOT required to be flipped provided landscaping plan is satisfactory to 'urban landscaping'.

Architectural plans will go to board tentatively for September's meeting. 

The architectural plans will be presented at a Community Meeting at the West End Community Center on July 19th.  

  

[gvegascple]

Other than the seasonal nature of baseball, this spot is pretty exciting for retail.  We could use more retail downtown to balance all the restaurants, bars, coffee shops and ice cream places.

[gman430]

1 hour ago, gvegascple said:

Other than the seasonal nature of baseball, this spot is pretty exciting for retail.  We could use more retail downtown to balance all the restaurants, bars, coffee shops and ice cream places.

Yeah. Just like how many of the retail spaces have been filled at the Homewood Suites directly across the street.

[gvegascple]

1 hour ago, gman430 said:

Yeah. Just like how many of the retail spaces have been filled at the Homewood Suites directly across the street.

Good point.  Maybe Covid played a factor? I think its weird that spot is empty. I was wondering if its supposed to be  restaurant to compliment the hotel and opening a restaurant is tricky now with labor shortages.  There was supposed to a restaurant in the old McDonalds building (now Cargo/TreheI) and that is stalled too.  I am still optimistic for more retail, maybe not another expensive women's boutique though so retail, just not upscale womens boutique, ice cream or coffee.  I am starting to sound like Steve Martin now, "all I need is this paddleball set, just this paddleball set, that's all I need...."Oh I need THIS...." 

Edited July 2, 2021 by gvegascple

[gman430]

http://greenvillesc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/8674?fileID=44553

[vicupstate]

1015 S. Main St. Revised

Architecture is much worse, IMO.  

 

 

This is next to 1021. I wish Stone would just sell Sun Cap their property.

1021 S. Main St.

[GvilleSC]

4 minutes ago, vicupstate said:

1015 S. Main St. Revised

Architecture is much worse, IMO.  

Tend to agree -- seems like they're taking cues from The Greene, which is not a positive. 

[hauntedheadnc]

15 hours ago, vicupstate said:

1015 S. Main St. Revised

Architecture is much worse, IMO.  

 

 

This is next to 1021. I wish Stone would just sell Sun Cap their property.

1021 S. Main St.

That really is quite meh... Architecture just really isn't Greenville's strong suit, which is a shame.  Greenville can't outdo Asheville with the flashy, authentic historic architecture but there's no reason it couldn't either pursue really dazzling modern architecture, or take a page from Spartanburg's book and build a lot of high-quality neo-traditional architecture.  Anything is better than this growing collection of "Charlotte Boring"-style beige boxes.  What really sucks is that the quality of Greenville's public spaces is the best in the region by far, but it just won't take it over the top with high-quality architecture too.

[motonenterprises]

2 hours ago, hauntedheadnc said:

That really is quite meh... Architecture just really isn't Greenville's strong suit, which is a shame.  Greenville can't outdo Asheville with the flashy, authentic historic architecture but there's no reason it couldn't either pursue really dazzling modern architecture, or take a page from Spartanburg's book and build a lot of high-quality neo-traditional architecture.  Anything is better than this growing collection of "Charlotte Boring"-style beige boxes.  What really sucks is that the quality of Greenville's public spaces is the best in the region by far, but it just won't take it over the top with high-quality architecture too.

But neither of those are building as much as Greenville is other than Charlotte. I'm just glad we're building.

[hauntedheadnc]

26 minutes ago, motonenterprises said:

But neither of those are building as much as Greenville is other than Charlotte. I'm just glad we're building.

Why?  Growth for its own sake is just cancer.  Greenville is desirable enough that it should be able to exercise some clout and get something of better quality than a bunch of ugly boxes.   I mean, look at Charlotte, since we're trying so hard to look like them: Charlotte is far and away the most mediocre large city in America.  It's a bunch of glass boxes and beige EIFS.  Why should that be any model to follow?

[GMoxley]

I like the new layout and massing of the building, but the architecture is definitely disappointing. They really need to channel the industrial feel of the westend more. Something like the architecture of the Canvas building  (across from BBT) would  work fantastically in the WestEnd...make it look like it's been there for a century. 

[motonenterprises]

2 hours ago, hauntedheadnc said:

Why?  Growth for its own sake is just cancer.  Greenville is desirable enough that it should be able to exercise some clout and get something of better quality than a bunch of ugly boxes.   I mean, look at Charlotte, since we're trying so hard to look like them: Charlotte is far and away the most mediocre large city in America.  It's a bunch of glass boxes and beige EIFS.  Why should that be any model to follow?

Well. That's why we have different cities to choose from. I like what's going on in Greenville. Would like to see something taller than the current tallest though.

[distortedlogic]

6 hours ago, hauntedheadnc said:

That really is quite meh... Architecture just really isn't Greenville's strong suit, which is a shame.  Greenville can't outdo Asheville with the flashy, authentic historic architecture but there's no reason it couldn't either pursue really dazzling modern architecture, or take a page from Spartanburg's book and build a lot of high-quality neo-traditional architecture.  Anything is better than this growing collection of "Charlotte Boring"-style beige boxes.  What really sucks is that the quality of Greenville's public spaces is the best in the region by far, but it just won't take it over the top with high-quality architecture too.

I agree it's pretty "meh," yet I think it is better than many of the other ones (low bar) around town, at least it's not just a shoebox.

44 minutes ago, motonenterprises said:

Well. That's why we have different cities to choose from. I like what's going on in Greenville. Would like to see something taller than the current tallest though.

We might as well face it, we'll be calling that brutalist eyesore our tallest forever.

[motonenterprises]

1 hour ago, distortedlogic said:

I agree it's pretty "meh," yet I think it is better than many of the other ones (low bar) around town, at least it's not just a shoebox.

We might as well face it, we'll be calling that brutalist eyesore our tallest forever.

I think eventually they'll break that ceiling. I also think this building will eventually get a facelift.

[apaladin]

So it went from 7-8 floors to 5?

[vicupstate]

^^ 

The number of floors hasn't changed.  It was always 5-6 based on topo and still is.  

[gman430]

There’s construction supplies (barricades, dumpster, porta potty) from Creative Builders starting to show up in the parking lot across from Fluor Field along Markley Street. Not sure if it’s for this project or not. 

Edited November 25, 2021 by gman430

[GvilleSC]

Modified application for this site will go before DRB in April: 

https://www.greenvillesc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/9410?fileID=51185

The parking garage has been enlarged to include public parking. The overall building massing is 6 stories toward Main, and 5 at Vardry. Commercial space will front Main and Markley. 

I like the nod to Shoeless Joe on the parking garage screening. 

Edited March 23, 2022 by GvilleSC

[distortedlogic]

I honestly can't tell the difference b/w this and 90% of the  other buildings going up; they all look the same. Maybe people said the same thing during other architectural periods but man this style is so pervasive in everything. Thank goodness for The Bohemian, the new Courthouse, and Bridgeway station!

[Horatio Nelson]

6 minutes ago, distortedlogic said:

I honestly can't tell the difference b/w this and 90% of the  other buildings going up; they all look the same. Maybe people said the same thing during other architectural periods but man this style is so pervasive in everything. Thank goodness for The Bohemian, the new Courthouse, and Bridgeway station!

This video goes into why a lot of apartments all look the same now.

 

[vicupstate]

On 3/23/2022 at 10:43 AM, GvilleSC said:

Modified application for this site will go before DRB in April: 

https://www.greenvillesc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/9410?fileID=51185

The parking garage has been enlarged to include public parking. The overall building massing is 6 stories toward Main, and 5 at Vardry. Commercial space will front Main and Markley. 

I like the nod to Shoeless Joe on the parking garage screening. 

The revisions were approved.  About 150 spaces added to the garage for public use.  The Shoeless Joe 'mural'  is a placeholder. It may be different and whatever they go with will need to be approved separately.  

[gman430]

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/1015-S-Main-St-Greenville-SC/25201482/

[gman430]

When is this going to start construction?