Apple Campus in the RTP

[KJHburg]

Apple is indeed subleasing space from MetLife in their third building in Cary 200,000 sq ft of it until their RTP campus gets built.  The Triangle Biz Journal first reported this a few weeks back. 

Apple occupying temporary space in North Carolina as it builds $1B campus | AppleInsider

[KJHburg]

No signs of construction yet but BIG new NO trespassing signs on the Apple campus site.  I am sure they are in the design phase but I hear they are hiring like mad for this site and their temporary home in the MetLife campus in Cary.   Photo  of their temporary home and their site and a nearby neighbor of Credit Suisse.    The back side of the Apple campus is lakefront. 

[Durham_Transplant]

Out of curiosity I did a quick Google search to see what the timeline looked like for the Austin campus that NC was originally considered for. Looks like they agreed on the site in 2018 and are currently under construction with expected occupancy in 2022. So we are likely looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 2025 for the campus to be complete. Could be a bit longer since the site is basically a forest or a little bit shorter since the plan is for a smaller hub (3k in RTP vs baseline of 5k in Austin).

[KJHburg]

3 hours ago, Durham_Transplant said:

Out of curiosity I did a quick Google search to see what the timeline looked like for the Austin campus that NC was originally considered for. Looks like they agreed on the site in 2018 and are currently under construction with expected occupancy in 2022. So we are likely looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 2025 for the campus to be complete. Could be a bit longer since the site is basically a forest or a little bit shorter since the plan is for a smaller hub (3k in RTP vs baseline of 5k in Austin).

it take a long time for their 2nd Apple campus in Austin but they did already have one there about 1 mile away.  So I am sure they put their first hires in their existing buildings while planning the new campus.  

[KJHburg]

WRAL story about Apple and its impact already.

Apple making big impact in the Triangle before it even arrives | WRAL TechWire

Notice the big No Trespassing signs I told you about earlier in the month. 

[KJHburg]

Put Apple in the camp that wants most of its employees in offices.  Not only are they building their big campus in RTP they are shopping for even more office space in Cary so reports the TBJ.

""Nearly a year after announcing its massive Triangle hub, Apple is looking for as much as 150,000 square feet of additional temporary space in Cary, according to some executives in the commercial real estate industry in the Triangle.  That's on top of the MetLife space in Cary the tech giant is already planning to renovate.  Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL) declined to comment for this story.  As it builds out its hub in Research Triangle Park – one expected to eventually accommodate 3,000 jobs – the California company has wasted no time, pulling the trigger last year on improvements at its temporary home, 301 MetLife Way, a Class A office building at MetLife’s Cary campus. The MetLife building totals 219,000 square feet of Class A office space.""

My thoughts is that Apple in 5 years will employ way more than 3000 people in RTP.   They started like that in Austin and they are nearing 10,000 there.  

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2022/03/02/apple-looks-for-more-space-in-cary-triangle.html

[KJHburg]

Apple leases another building this time closer to its future RTP campus in Durham County.  Campus will be built on the Wake County side of the RTP. 

""Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL), which has been subleasing MetLife’s Building 3 in Cary, has turned to Imperial Center’s Innovation I building off Slater Road. The California-based tech company has leased the entire 140,000-square-foot, 4-story building, multiple real estate sources confirm, including space vacated by the former primary tenant, biotech firm Biogen (Nasdaq: BIIB) of Massachusetts, which is scaling back its Triangle footprint.""   that is 340,000 sq ft if anyone is counting of office space leased in both Cary and now in Durham County. 

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2022/08/09/apple-lease-durham-office-space-expansion.html

Edited August 10, 2022 by KJHburg

[Durham_Transplant]

It’s good to see both Apple and Google expanding here in advance of establishing permanent operations. Obviously they are finding the talent they need in the region. Haven’t heard anything further about the supposed Meta expansion here but certainly expect others to follow.

[KJHburg]

Construction or at least land development maybe starting soon according to the Triangle Biz Journal.

""More than a year after the explosive announcement that Apple would be bringing 3,000 jobs to Research Triangle Park, dirt has yet to move at the site – but that could soon change, recent filings show.

Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL) declined to comment and has been relatively quiet since the April 2021 announcement.  

Other than a trail of litter from nearby Little Road, the swath of pine-covered acreage it’s targeted for its campus looks undisturbed – even peaceful. On a recent afternoon, bird chips intermingled with the traffic noises of nearby Louis Stephens Road.

But that’s now.

Filings finally show signs of activity – however slight.

And insiders say that after months of speculation – including hiring at interim sites in Cary and in Durham – construction could soon begin at the planned hub, with dirt possibly moving as early as the end of the year. Apple declined to provide a timeline, but last month, an entity tied to the company, Acute Investments, applied for a Wake County permit to put a construction trailer “associated with grading and erosion control” at the site.

At an estimated cost of $80,000, it equates to pennies of the $552 million in construction alone that Apple has pledged to bring to Wake County.""

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2022/10/28/apple-research-triangle-park-raleigh-durham-jobs.html

[KJHburg]

Not sure why this Apple campus is so shrouded in mystery.  

"""Public records released by Wake County at the behest of a public records request show a slew of back-and-forth filings with regulators have been happening – from August until at least late October.

The filings, under the name Acute Investments – the entity tied to the land Apple has targeted for the project – are to get the necessary permissions surrounding wetland buffers and sediment control measures that will be required to protect the area, which is located in the Jordan Lake watershed.

They are in addition to what Triangle Business Journal previously reported regarding plans for a construction trailer at the site.

It's further indication that – despite an industry where much is changing due to remote working – Apple still intends to push forward with plans at RTP.

Apple did not respond to a request to comment on this story – and it’s clear that they’re keeping plans close to the vest.

In August, Acute Investments, through attorney Bruce Thompson, told the county it planned to submit “confidential business information,” including “trade secrets” as part of the regulatory process – and that it hoped to keep them from the public.""

from the Biz Journal today https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2023/01/03/permit-activity-is-picking-up-at-apple-site.html

[rancenc]

Major development proposed near the new Apple Campus.

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2023/02/07/cary-development-new-office-retail-apartments.html

[KJHburg]

Apple will soon be starting moving dirt on their RTP campus.

""Apple is moving ahead with plans for construction on its Research Triangle Park campus that could house more than 3,000 workers.

In January, WRAL News reported that Apple’s attorney had asked the county for confidentiality as plans moved forward.

An application shows plans for a 324,000-square-foot office, calling for professional space with buildings up to 73 feet tall, roughly 6 to 8 stories. Apple filed the site work plans on May 30 in order to start moving dirt.

Apple was previously awarded $1.2 billion in an incentive package from the state.""

https://wraltechwire.com/2023/06/08/apple-files-plans-for-324000-square-feet-of-office-space-at-rtp-campus/

[po-boy]

Great to see progress on this! I wonder if the building will be anything special. Even if not, this is Great for the region.

[KJHburg]

49 minutes ago, po-boy said:

Great to see progress on this! I wonder if the building will be anything special. Even if not, this is Great for the region.

this is their new Apple campus in Austin they will start with a building or two and keep expanding it as they grow their operation there.  

https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/01/11/apple-spending-240m-to-expand-its-austin-texas-campus

[DCMetroRaleigh]

So excited to see this begin construction , and glad it will feature a little altitude 

[Crucial_Infra]

4 hours ago, DCMetroRaleigh said:

So excited to see this begin construction , and glad it will feature a little altitude 

And this is just the beginning! But c’mon Apple, give us a bit more height. Seven stories is great but how we gonna compete with those skyscrapers down in Charlotte at only 73 feet! 

[KJHburg]

from the Biz Journal this morning:

""Site plans obtained by the Triangle Business Journal show the first phase of the huge project includes a 41-acre development with six buildings and a parking garage. The plans, filed with Wake County, show there will be more than 700,000 square feet of office space, 190,000 square feet of accessory space and close to 3,000 parking spaces.   The new documents show the largest of the six buildings will be for office use and total 241,899 square feet.  

The other two office buildings will total just over 230,000 square feet. The plans list three accessory buildings with sizes of 142,500 square feet, 12,300 square feet and just under 36,000 square feet.

The three office buildings and the largest accessory buildings have listed heights of 73 feet each – about 6-7 stories. The other accessory buildings have listed heights of 43 and 24 feet.

The plans list the max building height as 120 feet.""

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2023/06/30/apple-east-coast-campus-rtp-site-plans-buildings.html

[KJHburg]

Here is the WRAL Techwire story on the Apple campus.

https://wraltechwire.com/2023/06/30/apple-files-plans-for-324000-square-feet-of-office-space-at-rtp-campus/

[Crucial_Infra]

I wonder if Apple plans to petition to have a new interchange built nearby because as it is today, I don’t see a real direct path off of 540. The buildings will be mere feet from the highway but it looks like you’ll need to traverse a bunch of roads to get to the campus. I guess the plan is to exit 540 at NC-55 and circle back to Little Drive where I assume there’ll be a entrance to campus. 

Edited June 30, 2023 by Crucial_Infra

[KJHburg]

^^^I doubt it  as it is way too close to 885 interchange with 540.  only thing I think you could do is make an exit only ramp but I doubt they will do that.   It will be a major employer but Cisco right on the other side of that lake is even bigger employer now.  

[kermit]

TBJ finally realizes that the Apple Campus is just more of the same suburban office park that RTP really needs to move away from. This aint gonna help with the land use transformation desperately needed in the Park -- this is shortsighted.

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For its first phase of development on 41 acres, Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL) wants to build six buildings totaling almost 1 million square feet and a parking deck/area that can hold about 3,000 cars.... The buildings are likely to be 6 to 8 stories tall – very similar to some of the other big-company tenants in the park such as Cisco (Nasdaq: CSCO), IBM (NYSE: IBM) and Fidelity Investments. 

...

If Apple builds its AI research and development team in RTP, it likely will become the most valuable arm of the company within a decade. The question that remains, however, is whether the company can recruit enough engineers and programmers and ask them to drive to the park every day, since we do not have any public transportation. That’s a public policy issue that needs further discussion from our lawmakers, who are first in line to take credit when big companies make big job announcements.

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2023/07/06/apple-rtp-campus-expansion-iphones-ipads.html

[KJHburg]

Apple's campus are always very suburban in nature from their Austin campus to their Sunnyvale HQ so not sure why they would do something different here.  This is exactly what I would expect from them.  

[RALNATIVE]

8 hours ago, kermit said:

TBJ finally realizes that the Apple Campus is just more of the same suburban office park that RTP really needs to move away from. This aint gonna help with the land use transformation desperately needed in the Park -- this is shortsighted.

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2023/07/06/apple-rtp-campus-expansion-iphones-ipads.html

Who the $*^! cares? They are bringing 3,000 jobs with an average salary above $200K. Now if this was being planned for Charlotte i'm sure that you wouldn't have any issues with it.    

[Crucial_Infra]

I remember when the RTP census tract finally showed up on Twitter’s @evertract and the urbanists lost their minds. They’d never seen such an abomination but Apple saw that and was like “Yes please!”  
 

edit: yes I know this isn’t the tract apple is located in

 

Edited July 14, 2023 by Crucial_Infra

[nicholas]

On 7/6/2023 at 10:04 PM, RALNATIVE said:

Who the $*^! cares? They are bringing 3,000 jobs with an average salary above $200K. Now if this was being planned for Charlotte i'm sure that you wouldn't have any issues with it.    

Has any Raleigh user ever actually read a single post in the Charlotte forum or do yall just echo what you think Charlotte people post about?