500 2nd Ave. South, 39 story residential; 29 story hotel; 32 story residential on full 3.4 acre block (Cumulus Radio site)

[smeagolsfree]

The developer was brought up by Titanhog as speculation.

[MLBrumby]

Frankly it doesn't seem to me that the 2nd/Peabody project was radically modified in height because of complaints from CV residents.  I think the change was prompted by not having a corporate anchor for the office building (Pinnacle decided to go to NY).   Of course it could have changed because of a powerful resident of CV or an adjacent building.  I realize that often there's a powerful 'patron' of a key politician who lives in one of these buildings. Not saying it's the case here, but one can wonder if a key members of the planning commission is beholden to someone who lives in City View.  It's not unusual in politics, especially on a local level like this.

[Bos2Nash]

1 hour ago, MLBrumby said:

Frankly it doesn't seem to me that the 2nd/Peabody project was radically modified in height because of complaints from CV residents.  I think the change was prompted by not having a corporate anchor for the office building (Pinnacle decided to go to NY).   Of course it could have changed because of a powerful resident of CV or an adjacent building.  I realize that often there's a powerful 'patron' of a key politician who lives in one of these buildings. Not saying it's the case here, but one can wonder if a key members of the planning commission is beholden to someone who lives in City View.  It's not unusual in politics, especially on a local level like this.

Not to weigh to deeply into that conversation, but I do not really think this to be the case on 2nd and Peabody. Planning has a numbers of tools and guidelines that they are restricted by. 2nd and Peabody went from 618 foot tall Office/Hotel down to 433 foot Residential as it was probably discussed in planning that it would be more easily achievable to gain such a height modification per the current CCM. While the Downtown Code does dictate most height, the Community Character Manual (CCM) is what drives alot of context. 2nd and Peabody would've needed to re-draw the boundary lines in the CCM (as discussed on that thread) to make the original proposal remotely plausible. The revised proposal was most likely discussed with Planning in more detail to help achieve certain things. 

This site will probably have a bit more scrutiny because it is that much closer to the developments. 2nd and Peabody is going to have the benefit (and hardship) of being the first one in, as well as having parcels on either side of them that are ripe for redevelopment. Because of this though, I see this parcel being shorter than 2nd and Peabody but taller than City Lights. If I had to take a guess, I would say we will probably seeing something closer to the Hotel height of 2nd and Peabody at 234'. So if I had to guess we will be looking for a proposal raging from 250'to 325' tall. Complete and utter guess too.

[downtownresident]

Hot off the Development Tracker, the buyer has filed for an Overall Height Modification for the property. No plans uploaded yet, so no rendering. Hopefully they are uploaded in the coming days. 
 

The description: 

“A request for a modification for overall building height, for property located at 0 & 500 2nd Avenue South, Nashville, TN 37210, zoned DTC within the Rutledge Hill subdistrict (3.29 acres), to permit a 45-story residential building, a 23-story hotel, and a 16-story residential building with ground floor active uses, requested by Larry Powers, Centrum Realty & Development, applicant; CRD 2nd Avenue Owner LLC, owner.”

 

Heres a link to the E-Permits site: https://epermits.nashville.gov/#/permit/4023340

[smeagolsfree]

We have been waiting on several of these D Tracker items to show up. My guess it may go live this morning so stay tuned. There are more hits likely to come this week. Taylor and Myself are watching this stuff very closely.

We do know there is one more big one this week, and we have ideas as to what it is but there are probably three guesses. We dont want to say yet in case we are wrong and get surprised out of the blue.

[titanhog]

1 hour ago, downtownresident said:

a 45-story residential building,

City Lights:

[smeagolsfree]

I think they are SOL as the old saying goes. They pretty much lost have lost the battle at 2nd & Peabody as that will be approved IMO. This is just another rock thrown into the window and there will be more. 

They will realize you can't fight City Hall or planning in this case as downtown continues to grow and will continue to have growth pains. This is just the start of more and more residential projects that will happen south of broad. There are a number of parcels that surround their building that can be and will be developed very soon. I can put them on the map if you folks want me too. As a matter of fact I knew of one development before the pandemic that was proposed for the Scott Sales lots that would have been a minimum of 6 stories and that would have been office, so those buildings would have blocked their views on the east and north side. 

[Brichar4]

Does anyone know how tall the TV tower that sits on the property now is? Curious for a visual reference of possible heights. 

[smeagolsfree]

I have been looking for the height without success. Emporis has some but not all.

Also as far as the height variance, Since they have already purchased the property, this is a test the waters presentation to see what happens before they go to plan B.

[smeagolsfree]

Gensler is the architect.

[Brichar4]

That thing looks like it could be pretty tall, always hard to tell proportionally in those style of renders! Thanks for finding! 

[nashwatcher]

5 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Gensler is the architect.

That is beautiful!

[smeagolsfree]

More images

[nashvylle]

As far as Nashville goes.... It has a crown!!!

[Rick Dalton]

Please make this happen

[Armacing]

Now if we can just get the Fairmont hotel resurrected (or something equally large in its place), then maybe - just maybe  - the City Lights crowd will wither under the intense pressure of the momentum generated by these rapid-fire proposals for multi-tower developments all around them.  Wishful thinking?  At some point it becomes obvious that you can't hold back an entire city just for the benefit of some mid-rise Nimbys.

Edited August 11, 2021 by Armacing

[Luvemtall]

Congress Group needs to buy the Frank May property and build the original 2nd&Peabody project there, but the office building needs to break the 700’ barrier. 

[downtownresident]

7 minutes ago, Armacing said:

Now if we can just get the Fairmont hotel resurrected (or something equally large in its place), then maybe - just maybe  - the City Lights crowd will wither under the intense pressure of the momentum generated by these rapid-fire proposals for multi-tower developments all around them.  Wishful thinking?  At some point it becomes obvious that you can't hold back an entire city just for the benefit of some mid-rise Nimbys.

Something is brewing at the Fairmont site. The front three parcels are being consolidated. 
 

The only way the neighborhood is going to get the open space that these proposals include is if developers are allowed to build tall. Otherwise you’ll see full block midrises like you see closer to the interstate. 

[Digital Dust]

This is nice. Really glad they included some green space! Didn't expect it.

[MLBrumby]

Looks like something that could in Austin. 

[Rick Dalton]

What are the odds this proposal is actually approved and built?

[downtownresident]

7 minutes ago, natethegreat said:

What are the odds this proposal is actually approved and built?

I think 45 stories is a stretch, especially at that corner, but the residential, hotel, and open space uses are all called for by the overriding neighborhood policy. 

[Luvemtall]

7 minutes ago, downtownresident said:

I think 45 stories is a stretch, especially at that corner, but the residential, hotel, and open space uses are all called for by the overriding neighborhood policy. 

Can it be possible? If they click a bunch of the right boxes .. ie .. Leed , underground parking, green space etc. 

[Bos2Nash]

Gensler is definitely a high-powered architecture firm (Largest in the world actually with over 2,500 registered architects)! Glad to see their involvement with a high-profile design.

55 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Gensler is the architect.

46 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Love the high-rise design. Material Palette is nice, mix of steel and masonry. I can't image brick going up beyond the amenity deck, so that may transition to metal panel up high. These are clearly concept renderings and will adjust as things progress. I use the "Amenity Beacon" as an example as there is clearly no structure being shown as there will most certainly be primary columns that cut through that space.

53 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Don't like this at all! The stacked boxes are boring and over done (IMO). The pedestal looks very closed off.  Just makes me think of this intersection by the capital...

56 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Love all the open space! This space along with the 2nd and Peabody space needed to speak to one another so one did not become an island. It has the potential to drive connections down into downtown and further out into Rutledge Hill and beyond.

As @downtownresident, to achieve so much open space, the massing was going to be taller as the developers will still be looking for ROI while making an attractive development. What is with both this and 2nd and Peabody's love of water integration? Adds quite the dynamic of cost and structure below to cary and pump all that water around.

1 hour ago, smeagolsfree said:

Really not a fan of this site orientation though. The high-rise should be up against Peabody Street (and I would expect pushback from planning and the neighborhood on it) as that is at least up against the approved taller buildings. Plus putting 45 stories next to 2 and 3 story townhomes can very easily create a hostile environment. Personally I would've put the 17 stories on Lea as it creates some height, but is a better transition to the lower height structures. Put the hotel along Rutledge again as a transition building from City Lights, Rolling Mill Hill areas. Place the high-rise at the corner of 2nd and Peabody or entirely along Peabody. I don't believe 45 stories will last, that is 9 stories TALLER than tallest portion of 2nd and Peabody and 12 stories taller than the building it would be adjacent too at 2nd and Peabody. I think it would shrink down a bit.

[Bos2Nash]

Here is a quick photoshop of the two properties side-by-side