500 2nd Ave. South, 39 story residential; 29 story hotel; 32 story residential on full 3.4 acre block (Cumulus Radio site)

[Rick Dalton]

1 minute ago, Bos2Nash said:

Here is a quick photoshop of the two properties side-by-side

Make it happen 

[downtownresident]

2 minutes ago, Bos2Nash said:

Here is a quick photoshop of the two properties side-by-side

If I remember correctly, those townhomes are non-historic, and will likely be redeveloped at some point. With some additional policy you could step down to Rutledge hill within that block. 
 

I do think putting the tall boy on that corner limits the impact to City Lights, which lets be honest, will be the loudest group in this area. 

[smeagolsfree]

15 minutes ago, Bos2Nash said:

Here is a quick photoshop of the two properties side-by-side

Well the view of City Lights will be blocked either way, and the shadow if the 45 will block the afternoon sun on the pool, so I do not understand why the 45 is not on Peabody.

[Bos2Nash]

3 minutes ago, downtownresident said:

If I remember correctly, those townhomes are non-historic, and will likely be redeveloped at some point. With some additional policy you could step down to Rutledge hill within that block. 

While the condos are not historic, they are recent construction and tearing them down is really not a sustainable approach to development. So if I were part of planning I would say we shouldn't expect them to be redeveloped for another 20 years. 

Also, the condos aren't historic, but the parcels facing Rutledge Street are part of a National Historic Landmark District. Looking at the way the design team "stopped" the 45 story tower, it almost aligns with the condos and stops at the historic district boundary. But being realistic, to transition from 45 stories, we would come down to 30 or 25 (gasp!) and then that is even more closely butted up to a 2-story historic structure. Just would create a very weird dynamic.

[markhollin]

Another rendering and some more info.

- 45 story residential tower

- 23 story hotel (although diagram states 21 stories)

- 16 story residential tower w/ ground floor commercial space (although diagram states 17 stories)

- Gensler  is the architect; Hoerr Schaudt is the landscape designer

- Centrum will go before Metro Planning Sept. 9 to seek modifications on downtown code for height.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/three-building-project-eyed-for-sobro-radio-tower-site/article_63282870-fab2-11eb-b32b-0f19f099eca5.html

 

[Bos2Nash]

16 minutes ago, downtownresident said:

I do think putting the tall boy on that corner limits the impact to City Lights, which lets be honest, will be the loudest group in this area.

8 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Well the view of City Lights will be blocked either way

FWIW the design does a good job at creating a new view for City Lights. The open space gives a very nice view for the residents along Rutledge to look down into. 

[downtownresident]

Just now, Bos2Nash said:

FWIW the design does a good job at creating a new view for City Lights. The open space gives a very nice view for the residents along Rutledge to look down into. 

And a nice open space/plaza right across the street. 

[smeagolsfree]

At least they will have a new park!

 

LOL Great Minds think alike as we posted at the same time.

My guess as I told Taylor is this will be a first run thru and then they may have to come down in height with their plan B.

[Bos2Nash]

If we are being honest, the real fight for City Lights will come when the subway/gas station, Crema, JE Dunn parking lot parcels get consolidated and developed into a new project. They are just gonna love that one haha!

[Luvemtall]

Ok..ok.. my brain is warping! Trying to get a image of all that is happening. We got this ,2nd&Peabody , Fairmount site , and the trolley barn project hopefully coming. Then the whole happenings around the NY area.. Pinnacle tower, Amazon , Highwoods, Gibson, Flank, Tony G’s two . Then Midtown with multiple projects, plus the possibilities with Reed and Beaman sites... and then the East Bank! Oracle, RMR , Titans Neighborhood... OMG !!! 

Oh yeah, I forgot all that’s going on in pietown / division street area!!! Mind blown 

[smeagolsfree]

I made a comment at the meet Saturday that I had made to William a while back. It is possible by this time next year or so we could have a sea of tower cranes and ground cranes stretching from I24 on the north on both sides of the river, into SoBro, east and west sides with these projects, along with all that will be happening around the KVB round about, to the South Gulch projects and all of Nashville Yards and surrounding projects there. 

I do not want to think about how many cranes that could be. That is not mentioning anything on the West side of the interstate which there will be some there too.

[chris holman]

If you look at the direction of the shadow from city lights in this pic it appears none of the other towers shadows would not affect city lights. I not sure what time this pic was captured 

Edited August 11, 2021 by chris holman

[nashvylle]

@Bos2Nash won't these proposals just be rejected right away from metro planning division because they are too tall (IE just like Congress Group's original 2nd and Peabody)?

[smeagolsfree]

Not Craig here, but we talked about this Saturday as we knew they would go over the height limit. We figured this was already in Planning's hand adn there was an agreement already in place for plan B, but they will run plan A up the flag pole to see what happens.

You don't just pay 34 million for land without some type of promise in place.

[MLBrumby]

I suppose the green space across the middle of the block is a bargaining chip; as if this plan is denied, they'll return with a "full chunk" of a building that will block everything from City View and other surrounding properties.  

[nashville born]

3 hours ago, Bos2Nash said:

Gensler is definitely a high-powered architecture firm (Largest in the world actually with over 2,500 registered architects)! Glad to see their involvement with a high-profile design.

 

Really not a fan of this site orientation though. The high-rise should be up against Peabody Street (and I would expect pushback from planning and the neighborhood on it) as that is at least up against the approved taller buildings. Plus putting 45 stories next to 2 and 3 story townhomes can very easily create a hostile environment. Personally I would've put the 17 stories on Lea as it creates some height, but is a better transition to the lower height structures. Put the hotel along Rutledge again as a transition building from City Lights, Rolling Mill Hill areas. Place the high-rise at the corner of 2nd and Peabody or entirely along Peabody. I don't believe 45 stories will last, that is 9 stories TALLER than tallest portion of 2nd and Peabody and 12 stories taller than the building it would be adjacent too at 2nd and Peabody. I think it would shrink down a bit.

To the point about Gensler, I didn't know that and yet, when reading the NP article, I was super excited to see some big boy city players (Chicago, San Fran) in the mix as it made me think there is a good chance something actually gets built...sorta like with Boston's Congress Group.  

As for the site orientation, I laughed to myself when I saw the tallest building placed RIGHT NEXT to City Lights.  Just sort of laughed as if the developers were saying, in your face (literally and figuratively).  Yet, after reading Bos2's comment, I started thinking that perhaps the orientation is a deliberate ploy.  Downtown makes a good point about 45 stories being a stretch, yet as Smeags said, this is likely a trial balloon.  I'm pretty sure they are aware of the issues Congress Group encountered.   Back to my ploy point.  Maybe they lead with the 45'er being right next to City Lights so they can come back after receiving pushback and make a concession offer of putting it right where Bos suggests, in the NW corner of the lot.   It's a fairly effective mental/negotiating tactic used by many..  I'm willing to pay a max of $50, yet I lead with $30.  You balk and I incrementally inch higher.  If we settle at $40, $45, or $50, you're happy because you perceive I compromised/conceded.  Hope that's the case here and the height (whatever the end figure is) becomes a non-issue.

Earlier, I posted it would be a shame to have this site go out with a whimper.  If we get anything close to this proposal, words eaten (gladly)!!!  

 

3 hours ago, Bos2Nash said:

Here is a quick photoshop of the two properties side-by-side

Wow.  If only...

In the words of Dan Hartman,  "I can dream about you...if I can't hold you tonight."

[Bos2Nash]

1 hour ago, nashvylle said:

@Bos2Nash won't these proposals just be rejected right away from metro planning division because they are too tall (IE just like Congress Group's original 2nd and Peabody)?

Technically the process isn't that simple. Planning has an appointed official on the Design Review Committee (DRC) and the committee is responsible with approving/denying any modification that is larger than a 20% deviation from the standards. On overall height modification the Executive Director has jurisdiction to see if the development makes reasonable attempts at building height. The ED's decision can be appealed to the DRC.

Here is the makeup of the DRC

1 hour ago, MLBrumby said:

I suppose the green space across the middle of the block is a bargaining chip; as if this plan is denied, they'll return with a "full chunk" of a building that will block everything from City View and other surrounding properties.  

The open space is most likely part of their Bonus Height application, so it it is part of their "reasonable effort" for building height modification to planning. Removing that probably wouldn't be a result of height denial, but would certainly result in a height modification denial from the ED and DRC

As Ron mentioned, conversations were had behind closed doors prior to these images even getting a whiff of the open air. Community meetings will still need to occur and the process will still need to take place. 45 Stories is far from a done deal and I don't even believe they will get 45 stories (personally)

[Bos2Nash]

1 hour ago, nashville born said:

To the point about Gensler, I didn't know that and yet, when reading the NP article, I was super excited to see some big boy city players (Chicago, San Fran) in the mix as it made me think there is a good chance something actually gets built...sorta like with Boston's Congress Group.  

As for the site orientation, I laughed to myself when I saw the tallest building placed RIGHT NEXT to City Lights.  Just sort of laughed as if the developers were saying, in your face (literally and figuratively).  Yet, after reading Bos2's comment, I started thinking that perhaps the orientation is a deliberate ploy.  Downtown makes a good point about 45 stories being a stretch, yet as Smeags said, this is likely a trial balloon.  I'm pretty sure they are aware of the issues Congress Group encountered.   Back to my ploy point.  Maybe they lead with the 45'er being right next to City Lights so they can come back after receiving pushback and make a concession offer of putting it right where Bos suggests, in the NW corner of the lot.   It's a fairly effective mental/negotiating tactic used by many..  I'm willing to pay a max of $50, yet I lead with $30.  You balk and I incrementally inch higher.  If we settle at $40, $45, or $50, you're happy because you perceive I compromised/conceded.  Hope that's the case here and the height (whatever the end figure is) becomes a non-issue.

Earlier, I posted it would be a shame to have this site go out with a whimper.  If we get anything close to this proposal, words eaten (gladly)!!!  

I had to double check as Gensler has been involved in 5th and Broadway (Design Architect with Gresham Smith as Local) and the Aertson Hotel. So glad that they are coming back with more punch. Their designs have a way of changing cityscapes (and their fees do too. They average 1.0 to 1.15 billion in fees annually).

The package will certainly be fined as the development team goes before Planning on 09/09. I will be curious to see what that package looks like and how "developed" the proposal is. Depending on their conversations re-arraning the site is always in the cards. Just look at the 2nd and Peabody change as we went from two tall boys to three, much better designed, but shorter towers. All about the process.

[Armacing]

1 hour ago, MLBrumby said:

I suppose the green space across the middle of the block is a bargaining chip; as if this plan is denied, they'll return with a "full chunk" of a building that will block everything from City View and other surrounding properties.  

That would be awesome!  We need City Lights to have their view 100% blocked so they no longer get to have a say about anything related to building height.

[BnaBreaker]

[satalac]

1 hour ago, BnaBreaker said:

I mean, if we all chip in for a billboard...

[Brichar4]

If anyone else was curious, for what these projects could look like height wise compared to the current skyline. I have rough estimated the current TV Tower on the property to be anywhere around 395 - 410 feet. So this property could be a major skyline addition from the south and east side even if not the full 45 floors. 

[rolly]

I'm still sticker-shocked over the $34M dollars for this site. Wowzers! 

[smeagolsfree]

3 hours ago, rolly said:

I'm still sticker-shocked over the $34M dollars for this site. Wowzers! 

I told you the had to go big for a big ROI!

[PillowTalk4]

I hope it gets built with the tallest building at 45 stories.   However, after seeing the radio/tv tower there, I was wondering, why not put something like this there...

 

Hey, if it towers over everything in Tokyo, why not Nashville?  And, because of the height and open structure, it wouldn't block the view for those City Lights people...