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Hey folks,

 

This is sort of a Coffee House type subject, but as we say here, "that's where threads go do die".

This give you guys a place to makes some predictions, speculate about where you think some things might happen and what might happen in the near or distant future. We sort of do that on a yearly basis at the first of the year and we can still do that. 

You guys can ask questions, pose predictions, etc., and discuss pro or con.

But this one is a little different and I will start it off with some questions??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Where will the first 20 story outside the big loop in Davidson County be? what I mean by Loop is inside the inner interstate loop and inside the 440 loop. So it will have to be out side of that ring.

Next , Which County or city that rings Nashville will get the first high-rise 20 stories or above?

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So, I will say that I think the Gulch is about to get bigger. I am going to be cryptic here, but I can explain more at the meet. So this is an incentive to show up. But a major change could be in the

As far as 20 story outside the 440 loop, I could see one in Green Hills, or maybe the Elm Hill Pike area out by the former Bridgestone building. Maybe Metrocenter, or along the downtown loop next to D

I am in on all of the above predictions, but I will raise you one on the multi-tower development and say 3.

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2 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

Hey folks,

Where will the first 20 story outside the big loop in Davidson County be? what I mean by Loop is inside the inner interstate loop and inside the 440 loop. So it will have to be out side of that ring.

Next , Which County or city that rings Nashville will get the first high-rise 20 stories or above?

1.maybe near or at Green Hills Mall 

2, for sure Williamson County and possibly Franklin in terms of high rise apartment tower but could be an apartment tower.  The income, the demand, the office parks are all there to make this happen.  

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37 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

1.maybe near or at Green Hills Mall 

2, for sure Williamson County and possibly Franklin in terms of high rise apartment tower but could be an apartment tower.  The income, the demand, the office parks are all there to make this happen.  

From my understanding, Williamson has strict limits on height to keep the "rolling hills" feel.  At one point it was 11 stories.  Not sure where it is now but don't count on 20+ stories in the Cool Springs area.

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3 minutes ago, TheRaglander said:

From my understanding, Williamson has strict limits on height so keep the rolling hills feel.  At one point it was 11 stories.  Not sure where it is now but don't count on 20+ stories in the Cool Springs area.

did not know that so that may be shot then I would say it would a long time as the tallest office buildings and apartment towers we have in suburban Charlotte as in some of the best submarkets.  Williamson County is probably the best submarket that could support that but if they dont allow then not sure where then.   Unless they change their minds in the future. 

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Just now, KJHburg said:

did not know that so that may be shot then I would say it would a long time as the tallest office buildings and apartment towers we have in suburban Charlotte as in some of the best submarkets.  Williamson County is probably the best submarket that could support that but if they dont allow then not sure where then.   Unless they change their minds in the future. 

I honestly believe Cool Springs would have been like a Buckhead, GA if the planners allowed it with lots of big towers for office and residential.  Apartments were very scarce in Franklin until just recently.  

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We just had our first high rise apartment tower 16 stories completed in Ballantyne which is a premier suburban area like Cool Springs.  It has about 4 million sq ft of office space nearby and like I said this is our first high rise tower that far out of the urban core.  Towerview at Ballantyne | Luxury Apartments in Ballantyne, NC   High rise apartments are not cheap anywhere that is why they are mostly in the urban core but this is truly a suburban tower but it near luxury homes country clubs etc. 

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That’s why I had to say 20 because we have upwards of 12 to 15 stories already in Green Hills and Cool Springs, not to mention several taller apartment buildings spread out around Metro that are over 10. I have to look to see the height of those too but some are close to maybe 15 stories.

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I think there could be a chance that the next group of high-rises could be in Wilson County. With all of the attention they are getting it may only be a matter of time before they get high-rise condo or apartment building. 

There could also be a office park at some point in Wilson with all of the recent developments there. It could be be Cool Springs. 2.0, but Wilson seems to be a little more progressive that Williamson.

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32 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Vertis Green Hills is 18, so that is the tallest outside the core.

The answer is green hills if it gets through zoning unscathed. Cool springs in 5-10 years. There is so much undeveloped land out there still, not sure it makes a lot of sense to spend to go higher at this point.

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5 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

Hey folks,

 

This is sort of a Coffee House type subject, but as we say here, "that's where threads go do die".

This give you guys a place to makes some predictions, speculate about where you think some things might happen and what might happen in the near or distant future. We sort of do that on a yearly basis at the first of the year and we can still do that. 

You guys can ask questions, pose predictions, etc., and discuss pro or con.

But this one is a little different and I will start it off with some questions??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Where will the first 20 story outside the big loop in Davidson County be? what I mean by Loop is inside the inner interstate loop and inside the 440 loop. So it will have to be out side of that ring.

Next , Which County or city that rings Nashville will get the first high-rise 20 stories or above?

Murfreesboro, it is quickly becoming a major city. Land prices are skyrocketing and it seems logical that for ROI developers will need to start going vertical.

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I actually like the City Center in M’boro…as far as design.  But it’s only 15.  I could see M’Boro getting a 20 story somewhere along Medical Center Parkway.  Just depends on how badly they want to push corporate relocations.

They really need to build some more “exclusive” residences in Rutherford County, though.  More in the $2 Million+ range.

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14 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

I think there could be a chance that the next group of high-rises could be in Wilson County. With all of the attention they are getting it may only be a matter of time before they get high-rise condo or apartment building. 

There could also be a office park at some point in Wilson with all of the recent developments there. It could be be Cool Springs. 2.0, but Wilson seems to be a little more progressive that Williamson.

One can only hope! I can definitely see your point on this one, the I-40 corridor is ripe for office and residential/ mix use development. Was there not talk about a office park in Lebanon at the I-40 & I-840 interchange next to the new hotels that recently opened? I think it was proposed by the same developers of the Galleria and office buildings in Cool Springs . And I believe that they are looking at office development at Wilson Farms at 109 in Lebanon. It’s easy access to BNA and downtown makes it a no brainer , plus Lebanon Airport would be a great executive/ corporate jet alternative.

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1 minute ago, Luvemtall said:

One can only hope! I can definitely see your point on this one, the I-40 corridor is ripe for office and residential/ mix use development. Was there not talk about a office park in Lebanon at the I-40 & I-840 interchange next to the new hotels that recently opened? I think it was proposed by the same developers of the Galleria and office buildings in Cool Springs . And I believe that they are looking at office development at Wilson Farms at 109 in Lebanon. It’s easy access to BNA and downtown makes it a no brainer , plus Lebanon Airport would be a great executive/ corporate jet alternative.

That one slips my memory as I have enough trouble remembering what happens in Davidson County anymore much less anywhere else. Maybe someone else can remember.

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51 minutes ago, nashville born said:

Dang it.  Forgot about that historic district restriction.  Okay, I'm not one to be married to a prediction, so I'll alter my number 2.  to the lot at 7th and Union for the new Nashville tallest!

That 7th & Union property is part of the Tennessee Tower campus. Unlikely to be offered up for development.

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7 hours ago, jmtunafish said:

Without revealing too much, I work for the state department of education, and I can tell you that a huge problem that Lebanon has is its public schools.  They are abysmal.  Wilson County likes to tout the quality of its schools, but their scores are propped up by Mt Juliet, and it's not even close.  Take MJ out of the equation, and Wilson County's scores would be among the bottom third in the state.  Williamson has arguably Tennessee's best public school system which is a big factor in its ability to attract corporate relocations with ease.  Williamson also has some excellent private schools and is close to some of Davidson's more prestigious private schools.  There's no equivalent in Wilson County.  Mt Juliet could see some of that corporate growth, but until Lebanon does something about its lousy public schools, it'll probably continue to be relegated to lower-wage distribution and factory jobs.  Not that there's anything wrong with that--the world needs distribution centers and factories--I just don't think it's very realistic for us to think that Lebanon will become another CoolSprings anytime soon. 

I promise I'm not trying to be argumentative or offensive, and I hope I didn't come across that way.

Good valid points. But two things, 1) Lebanon city has its own school system, so the rest of Wilson including Mt Juliet are in the county system . 2) I do believe schools are a very important factor, but I also believe it’s not the only! . A lot of people don’t even look at schools and who’s to say if class A office is built in or around Lebanon/ Wilson County that the folks working there would even live there. Plus it takes a lot of good taxpayers money to have good schools , which Williamson has in spades. If more class A office / mix use is built and good housing the tax burden will be less then it is , so more can go to a better school system

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2 hours ago, Luvemtall said:

Good valid points. But two things, 1) Lebanon city has its own school system, so the rest of Wilson including Mt Juliet are in the county system . 2) I do believe schools are a very important factor, but I also believe it’s not the only! . A lot of people don’t even look at schools and who’s to say if class A office is built in or around Lebanon/ Wilson County that the folks working there would even live there. Plus it takes a lot of good taxpayers money to have good schools , which Williamson has in spades. If more class A office / mix use is built and good housing the tax burden will be less then it is , so more can go to a better school system

Lebanon's city schools are K-8.  Lebanon HS is run by Wilson County and drags the scores down for the whole county, at least at the high school level.  I've talked to teachers and administrators at LHS who are frustrated that LSSD doesn't do a better job preparing students for high school.  I suspect both entities should share the blame.

If/When CoolSprings gets built out or too expensive, I think Rutherford will be the next to see more corporate relocations and Class A office parks.  Hendersonville and Gallatin are probably not far from that, either.

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