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R-S has started this new thread because:

  • the new infrastructure bill(s) working their way through Congress  and the possibility this money will filter into Spartanburg.
  • population growth that is already straining our existing  and aging transportation infrastructure .

Any transportation and infrastructure topic is welcome here.  

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Hey all,  R-S has started this new thread because: the new infrastructure bill(s) working their way through Congress  and the possibility this money will filter into Spartanburg. p

My first road and highway improvement "wish": Widen I-26 from US-176 to SC-296.  Probably not on SCDOT's hi priority list but traffic is increasingly straining the early 1960's design.  Bridge wi

I'm on SPATS policy for (probably) the next couple of years, so as I get documents produced for that transportation-related committee, I'll try to share some of them.  One of my friends in the transportation world speculated that there ought to be some interesting action coming in transportation infrastructure over the next few years.  

I did learn - and I may be late to the party here - that the I-85/US 290 intersection is going to be rebuilt as a diverging diamond intersection over the next few years - and will be the second one in the state.  

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My first road and highway improvement "wish":

Widen I-26 from US-176 to SC-296.  Probably not on SCDOT's hi priority list but traffic is increasingly straining the early 1960's design.  Bridge widths are narrow and the interchanges at US-176 and New Cut Road are inadequate.  

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On 8/16/2021 at 5:39 PM, roads-scholar said:

My first road and highway improvement "wish":

Widen I-26 from US-176 to SC-296.  Probably not on SCDOT's hi priority list but traffic is increasingly straining the early 1960's design.  Bridge widths are narrow and the interchanges at US-176 and New Cut Road are inadequate.  

I just looked back at one of the charts I got handed a few weeks back, and in the long-range funding spreadsheet, I see funds allocated in Fiscal Year 2027 for widening I-26 from US 176 (exit 15) to SC 296 (exit 22).  So it's at least on the list.  

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1 hour ago, Historyguy said:

I just looked back at one of the charts I got handed a few weeks back, and in the long-range funding spreadsheet, I see funds allocated in Fiscal Year 2027 for widening I-26 from US 176 (exit 15) to SC 296 (exit 22).  So it's at least on the list.  

I think I like you History Guy!  

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On 8/16/2021 at 5:39 PM, roads-scholar said:

My first road and highway improvement "wish":

Widen I-26 from US-176 to SC-296.  Probably not on SCDOT's hi priority list but traffic is increasingly straining the early 1960's design.  Bridge widths are narrow and the interchanges at US-176 and New Cut Road are inadequate.  

What if Interstate 26 is being widened to six lanes from Asheville to Charleston?

Exit 15 (United States Route 176/Asheville Highway) needs traffic signalization on Asheville Highway.  Increased traffic and being unable to make left turns within considerable time necessitate the need.

Is there enough room to widen Interstate 26 under the Interstate 85 overpass?

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As far as relatively simple, contained, and straight-forward improvements go, I'd like to see new exits on I-26 at Clark Road in Boiling Springs (to relieve pressure on Hwy-9) and I-26 at Old Georgia Road near Roebuck (to relieve pressure on East Blackstock and Anderson Mill). 

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48 minutes ago, westsider28 said:

As far as relatively simple, contained, and straight-forward improvements go, I'd like to see new exits on I-26 at Clark Road in Boiling Springs (to relieve pressure on Hwy-9) and I-26 at Old Georgia Road near Roebuck (to relieve pressure on East Blackstock and Anderson Mill). 

About two decades ago there was a movement to build an interchange at Old Georgia Road and I-26 but NIMBYS made a lot of noise and the effort was dropped.  

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18 hours ago, roads-scholar said:

About two decades ago there was a movement to build an interchange at Old Georgia Road and I-26 but NIMBYS made a lot of noise and the effort was dropped.  

A lot has changed since then.  It's time to revisit.

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Honestly the biggest issue I see in Spartanburg County is a lack of interest in regulations that will expand the street network over time, and a lack of interest in public funding of practical improvements. All of the issues most people complain about (new traffic light at X intersection, traffic congestion on X street) are symptoms of a much larger issue - bad planning.

Spartanburg County, and SC in general, are growing in the Atlanta/Charlotte model of widening roads to solve congestion. To be fair, some roads do need to be widened as they are converted form rural country roads to function urban streets (with curbs, sidewalks, turning lanes, etc). But the next layer is to look at the network of streets and how they function. At what point is widening no longer a solution? Have you been on Blackstock Road lately? Or Maybe Woodruff Rd in Greenville is a better example. Harbison in Columbia. Ashley Phosphate in Charleston. These are massive roads with congestion for ages, and widening isn't really a practical solution for a whole host of reasons. There is only so much that "signal timing" and "widening" can fix. What happens when those aren't options anymore?

Not only do you need to have a network of thoroughfares, you also need a network of non-thoroughfare (aka local) streets so that everyone doesn't need to take the same street to get around. There's a reason that every city that ever existed prior to 1950 was comprised of a grid of streets, including Spartanburg. 

There are two areas where these issues can be addressed: 1) public sector and 2) private sector. SPATS covers the public sector. They need to map out future thoroughfare connections and then find ways to work with SCDOT and USDOT grants to fund their construction. If you aren't buying and reserving ROW for future thoroughfare connections, there will eventually come a point where construction in not feasible. This is something that SPATS can be a part of, and IMO should push for/lead.

The private sector should be required to build street grids that are extendable into adjacent developments as they get built. Building a grid of streets with connections reduced the need to travel on the primary thoroughfare, and creates nicer environments to walk and bike. They already build streets, so the requirement only changes their alignment so that the next developer who comes in can connect and extend the streets.

Both of these should be addressed and incorporated at the SPATS and County Comprehensive Planning level. Set the vision and policy you want to see, then set up the regulatory and public funding strategy to implement it. Simple, right? lol.

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Has anyone besides me noticed the appalling deterioration of SCDOT's "big green signs" on our interstates and highways/streets approaching the interstates?   Peeling lettering is what concerns me.  I've written SCDOT but have received only "canned" replies.  

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