Queensbridge Collective (Uptown Cabaret site) - 3 towers

[deleted account]

1 hour ago, navigator319 said:

All of gateway is a slum including jwu and that church find a way to raze it a start blank check with the new station development.

I haven't posted here in 5+ years. It's been so long I had to sign up again.  I did that just to congratulate you on the single stupidest comment I have seen since Caterpillar was a regular poster. Way to go!

[Urban Cowboy]

15 minutes ago, JBS said:

I haven't posted here in 5+ years. It's been so long I had to sign up again.  I did that just to congratulate you on the single stupidest comment I have seen since Caterpillar was a regular poster. Way to go!

 

 

100% agree. Demolishing a college/culinary school and a black church?  .... Why not just say what you really mean? Unbelievable. 

Edited August 27, 2021 by Urban Cowboy

[a2theb]

13 hours ago, navigator319 said:

All of gateway is a slum including jwu and that church find a way to raze it a start blank check with the new station development.

The Trade side is okay but I find the 5th st side depressing (more specifically the corner of 5th and Cedar). Not sure what it is, just feels like there is no street level activation and typically devoid of pedestrians. Maybe its just the experiences I have had at Cedar St. Tavern that effect my overall view....

 

EDIT: Going to edit this before I get piled on. I DO NOT want to raze Gateway. They just need to find a way to improve the overall experience of spending time there. 

Edited August 27, 2021 by a2theb

[Windsurfer]

5 hours ago, a2theb said:

The Trade side is okay but I find the 5th st side depressing (more specifically the corner of 5th and Cedar). Not sure what it is, just feels like there is no street level activation and typically devoid of pedestrians. Maybe its just the experiences I have had at Cedar St. Tavern that effect my overall view....

 

EDIT: Going to edit this before I get piled on. I DO NOT want to raze Gateway. They just need to find a way to improve the overall experience of spending time there. 

About 25 -30 years ago I participated in a gathering put on by BOA for landowners in 3rd and 4th Ward. The purpose was to discuss plans and possibilities for West Trade. (Mostly it was just to hear BOA's plans)  BOA had a nice presentation about the area with maps and renderings. The guy running it was named "Jim Palermo"..and I feel bad for not remembering his last name very well, but he had been hired by Hugh MCcoll to develop uptown to BOA's specs.  About halfway through the presentation the old preacher of that church stood up and, basically yelled, "Hey! Where's my church?"   In all the renderings BOA had created, they deliberately left out the church. Presumably, they thought they were going to buy it and move the congregation. I don't think their plans went over very well and the church obviously dug in their heels. I kind of don't blame them.

Edited August 27, 2021 by Windsurfer
name correction

[navigator319]

Damn wish we had that down vote button back.

Fact remains the area is not desirable. And yes the church is part of crappy feeling of the area in the middle of what is supposedly downtown. JWU old buildings and just the general layout of what was built is all equally to blame.

People love to race bait for sure. That is irrelevant to they should cash out and do what the ski slope folks did in SP. By not doing such I believe they crappy members of a community. I can say the same exact for JWU.

Also JWU have closed Miami and Denver. Only left with CLT and PVD. They should also cash out all their land to a developer and get some modern class space and integrate better with uptown in the process.

The BofA complex, which they don’t own, is an abject failure in its intention and yes CK should start over and unlock the sites potential. Yes there is precedence for that scale.

So in short I’m 100% sticking to raze it all and build to 2022 scale and usage.

[tozmervo]

What are you people even talking about. What the hell is wrong with the Gateway area? 

[norm21499]

32 minutes ago, tozmervo said:

What are you people even talking about. What the hell is wrong with the Gateway area? 

That's what I'm trying to figure out too. 

[go_vertical]

Yeah, tearing it all down seems quite extreme. I don't think there is anything seriously wrong about the area but I also don't think it has done a very good job at creating a notable sence of place. I've never had business around there and I don't live nearby but of all the times I've passed through I never thought, "Hey, I'd like to hang out here". Blowing the whole damn thing up is ridiculous. I'm sure it serves its purpose ok for those that use it. 

[KJHburg]

anyway getting back to the project at hand I heard 3 towers 2 residential in the low 30s and office tower mid 40s in floors but what do I know I am on vacation! 

Edited August 28, 2021 by KJHburg

[norm21499]

3 hours ago, KJHburg said:

anyway getting back to the project at had I heard 3 towers 2 residential in the low 30s and office tower mid 40s in floors but what do I know I am on vacation! 

Mid 40's? Wow. Can anyone speculate on how tall a 45 floor tower might be?

[deleted account]

14 hours ago, navigator319 said:

Damn wish we had that down vote button back.

Fact remains the area is not desirable. And yes the church is part of crappy feeling of the area in the middle of what is supposedly downtown. JWU old buildings and just the general layout of what was built is all equally to blame.

People love to race bait for sure. That is irrelevant to they should cash out and do what the ski slope folks did in SP. By not doing such I believe they crappy members of a community. I can say the same exact for JWU.

Also JWU have closed Miami and Denver. Only left with CLT and PVD. They should also cash out all their land to a developer and get some modern class space and integrate better with uptown in the process.

The BofA complex, which they don’t own, is an abject failure in its intention and yes CK should start over and unlock the sites potential. Yes there is precedence for that scale.

So in short I’m 100% sticking to raze it all and build to 2022 scale and usage.

I'm now convinced that you are intentionally trolling and/or have never been to Gateway. J&W moved into their "old" buildings way back in...2004.  Gateway Village is actually a pretty decent piece of urban development, including a public park space integrated within the main complex, parking largely hidden behind (not under) apartments and retail. It's a work in progress like much of the city but what has been developed in the past 20 years there is mostly pretty good. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=gateway+village+charlotte&client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&prmd=nmixv&sxsrf=AOaemvLIVmNyQBosgjsszSiyPCyGBqCWyQ:1630152934125&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjZmsX02NPyAhUVVTABHWdOBJQQ_AUoA3oECAIQAw&biw=360&bih=612&dpr=3

https://www.google.com/search?q=johnson+and+wales+charlotte&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiJ74v22NPyAhXkUd8KHTYYCc4Q2-cCegQIABAC&oq=johnsoncharlotte&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQARgCMgQIABANMgQIABANMgYIABAHEB4yBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQBxAeOgcIIxDvAxAnOgQIABAYOgUIABDNAjoKCCMQ7wMQsAIQJzoFCCEQqwI6CAgAEA0QBRAeOggIABAIEA0QHjoGCAAQBRAeOgQIABBDOgcIABCxAxBDOggIABCABBCxAzoKCAAQsQMQgwEQQ1Dw5wNYmJwEYPyrBGgAcAB4AIABnwKIAf4VkgEHMTEuMTEuMpgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=6SgqYcnWFuSj_Qa2sKTwDA&bih=612&biw=360&client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&prmd=nmixv

As for the church, the forced razing and relocation of the Brooklyn neighborhood in the '60s and '70s remains the most egregious development offense in modern city history (narrowly edging the building of freeways through African American neighborhoods).  I'd chain myself to that church before I let someone knock it down.

Edited August 28, 2021 by JBS

[Matthew.Brendan]

10 hours ago, norm21499 said:

Mid 40's? Wow. Can anyone speculate on how tall a 45 floor tower might be?

About half the height of the current generation of towers going up in NYC

[KJHburg]

11 hours ago, norm21499 said:

Mid 40's? Wow. Can anyone speculate on how tall a 45 floor tower might be?

I think some of the levels are parking which compresses it a bit but I would say 500++ but maybe close to 600 for the office tower.   told yall this would be the new tallest outside of 277 loop.  Back to vacating....

[Desert Power]

3 hours ago, JBS said:

I'm now convinced that you are intentionally trolling and/or have never been to Gateway. J&W moved into their "old" buildings way back in...2004.  Gateway Village is actually a pretty decent piece of urban development, including a public park space integrated within the main complex, parking largely hidden behind (not under) apartments and retail. It's a work in progress like much of the city but what has been developed in the past 20 years there is mostly pretty good. 

 

Gateway is a really nice development, but the overall area was a bit dead in the evenings when I lived there ~9 years ago. More housing continues to pour-in, which helps that.

If something like it was built in empty Levine land today, we'd all applaud it.

 

[Diaz]

Mid 40's? Wow. Can anyone speculate on how tall a 45 floor tower might be?

I would think that would be easily over 500ft.
The new duke plaza is 40 floors and and with its “decorative” top will be like 609ft- 618ft.
Typical height between normal floors depending on construction methods is 12-14ft.


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[atlrvr]

There is no "decorative" top on this one 

I'd agree 45 stories, and probably just over 600'.

Don't believe the parking deck is under the office tower.... similar to Ally, but better screened and integrated.

 

[norm21499]

2 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

There is no "decorative" top on this one 

I'd agree 45 stories, and probably just over 600'.

Don't believe the parking deck is under the office tower.... similar to Ally, but better screened and integrated.

 

No decorative top? Well that really blows.....

[atlrvr]

https://riversideid.com/portfolio 

Just imagine a simplified blend of the 3 Chicago towers and you pretty much have it.

 

 

 

[Desert Power]

A 600' outside of 277 would really be something.

[norm21499]

South End is definitely forming a skyline, but I don't think any of the current or up coming buildings will have any cool lights at night. Hopefully I am wrong.

[kermit]

24 minutes ago, norm21499 said:

South End is definitely forming a skyline, but I don't think any of the current or up coming buildings will have any cool lights at night. Hopefully I am wrong.

The steel X's on the Lowe's tower are (dimly) lit in Lowe's Blue at night. I have only seen it from the rail trail, never noticed it from further away, but I aint out after dark much lately.

Edited August 28, 2021 by kermit

[Hushpuppy321]

18 hours ago, KJHburg said:

anyway getting back to the project at hand I heard 3 towers 2 residential in the low 30s and office tower mid 40s in floors but what do I know I am on vacation! 

Wow - if any of those did materialize I think it would definitely take some wind out of Legacy Unions Sails for future high rise residential or other office towers for quite some time.  I mean there’d need to be some  serious anchor tenants and/or Deep pocketed Multifamily Developers.

Edited August 28, 2021 by Hushpuppy321

[CharlotteWkndBuzz]

With these proposed towers mentioned on this site, in addition to, the whole morehead st corridor about to explode into it’s own little skyline, the case for a cap/park over 277 has to be strengthened I would imagine. It would be expensive endeavor but it would be amazing. 

[CLT704]

Any word on a tenant? You'd be pretty crazy to build a 40+ floor spec office tower in this environment. 

[kermit]

2 hours ago, Hushpuppy321 said:

Wow - if any of those did materialize I think it would definitely take some wind out of Legacy Unions Sails for future high rise residential or other office towers for quite some time.  I mean there’d need to be some  serious anchor tenants and/or Deep pocketed Multifamily Developers.

I suspect that, once opened, the medical school is going to create substantial residential demand in the neighborhood (including at LU).

1 hour ago, CLT704 said:

Any word on a tenant? You'd be pretty crazy to build a 40+ floor spec office tower in this environment. 

The rumor mill says that the tenant has plenty of money to pay for this, they fit very nicely into the uptown ecosystem, and they have nothing to do with the medical school.

Edited August 28, 2021 by kermit