Queensbridge Collective - 1 tower, maybe 2

[Guest]

Yes for the tech tower at 6th & Tryon

[Skyybutter]

15 hours ago, Matthew.Brendan said:

 

 Top tier design at play here. 
 

 

No doubt! These designs are something Charlotte has never seen. High hopes that this project forever raises the bar of architectural design for the city.... finally

13 hours ago, KJHburg said:

remember their initial comments about purchasing this land for development we are following our national clients to Charlotte.  Bank of America is one of their anchor tenants in Chicago but they have others and given Chicago's status a huge business center they know of others.  I have heard several companies from coast to coast they could be looking for a new HQ location.  

Sears... circa early 1990s.. that's all I'm sayin'.. ha!

[tozmervo]

13 hours ago, The Real Clayton said:

Pretty sure they have leases coming up in three buildings, 525 North Tryon, Gateway Center and Wake Forest University Charlotte Center, prob around 20 floors of space. And they pulled out of Bank of America Plaza, not the Corp Center. 

Perhaps stating the obvious, but draining tenants out of other areas of Uptown isn't necessarily a win. I'd like to think it helps push down square foot pricing in other areas to enable new businesses to access uptown space, but it doesn't seem like that's a happening. 

[Mid South NC]

#SouthEndRising

The growth in Charlotte‘s @southendt neighborhood has been unquestioned, but with the sheer volume of construction and development planned, it has gotten a little bit difficult to track. In this graphic I’ve tried to change that, and give you an idea of what is to come.

In 2019, favorable zoning regulations (TOD), opened the floodgates to high density development all throughout the neighborhood. Since then we’ve seen a wave of commercial and residential development sweep the neighborhood. What will result in the next five years, is a skyline will start to form in the neighborhood.

This graphic only shows part of the story. If you would like to learn more subscribe to @thecharlotteledger today. A big thanks to all the developers, architects, and friends that helped me put together this piece.

Photo by @mylesperhourphotography
Graphic by me

Cred. CLT Development 

Edited February 9, 2022 by Mid South NC

[Mid South NC]

19 minutes ago, Mid South NC said:

#SouthEndRising

The growth in Charlotte‘s @southendt neighborhood has been unquestioned, but with the sheer volume of construction and development planned, it has gotten a little bit difficult to track. In this graphic I’ve tried to change that, and give you an idea of what is to come.

In 2019, favorable zoning regulations (TOD), opened the floodgates to high density development all throughout the neighborhood. Since then we’ve seen a wave of commercial and residential development sweep the neighborhood. What will result in the next five years, is a skyline will start to form in the neighborhood.

This graphic only shows part of the story. If you would like to learn more subscribe to @thecharlotteledger today. A big thanks to all the developers, architects, and friends that helped me put together this piece.

Photo by @mylesperhourphotography
Graphic by me

Cred. CLT Development 

 

Just the addition of the 1111 S. Tryon complex would be welcome, but 21, twenty one! new towers rising in this area will at least double the width of the current skyline with the Riverside project acting as a bridge of sorts to link Southend with uptown! This is just a phenomenal addition to the QC! 

[Mid South NC]

You've got to love when up'ers scoop the media on big story's. 

Edited February 10, 2022 by Mid South NC

[Mgelbach]

Here's your "Before" Picture! I hope I can fit in the tower once its built from the same angle!

[Blue_Devil]

19 minutes ago, Mgelbach said:

Here's your "Before" Picture! I hope I can fit in the tower once its built from the same angle!

It is quite incredible how dense with towers uptown is. Beautiful shot

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

1 hour ago, Blue_Devil said:

It is quite incredible how dense with towers uptown is. Beautiful shot

Whats wild is we've passed Montreal's CBD with tower density.

[RANYC]

I saw a pic on twitter of downtown Houston in the 1970s.  The pic showed seas of newly-created surface parking where historic, low-rise downtown structures had been leveled.  These surface lots were created to accommodate a surge in parking demand as downtown went from a mixed-use neighborhood to an office destination for regional suburbanites, using their cars to get into the CBD and to these intense, vertical property uses.

South End has gone from a low-rise industrial area to a low-to-mid-rise mixed-use area, and will soon be a mixed-use high-rise district.  As new office construction in South End starts to beckon thousands of office workers from around the region, many of whom will drive into the neighborhood, is there a chance we'll start to see the creep of dedicated surface lots, similar to what happened decades ago in places like Houston and even in Uptown Charlotte?  Yes, a number of high-rises are built with embedded parking, but the property use intensity of skyscrapers filled with the auto-bound masses winds up driving demand for surrounding surface lots.  Are there design regulations to prevent that in South End?  Or is preferred parking scouting out spots?  For what it's worth, I can't imagine what preferred parking would flatten to create surface lots for a rising South End.

[15895]

34 minutes ago, CarolinaDaydreamin said:

Whats wild is we've passed Montreal's CBD with tower density.

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That's not even mentioning Montreal has 100x the vibrancy than anywhere in Charlotte. Their Metro stations are among the best looking in the world IMO.

 

 

@RANYC SouthEnd wont get surface lots like Houston or Charlotte in the 70's & 80's. That was very much a trend of it's time. 

Edited February 10, 2022 by AirNostrumMAD

[Skyybutter]

8 minutes ago, RANYC said:

I saw a pic on twitter of downtown Houston in the 1970s.  The pic showed seas of newly-created surface parking where historic, low-rise downtown structures had been leveled.  These surface lots were created to accommodate a surge in parking demand as downtown went from a mixed-use neighborhood to an office destination for regional suburbanites, using their cars to get into the CBD and to these intense, vertical property uses.

South End has gone from a low-rise industrial area to a low-to-mid-rise mixed-use area, and will soon be a mixed-use high-rise district.  As new office construction in South End starts to beckon thousands of office workers from around the region, many of whom will drive into the neighborhood, is there a chance we'll start to see the creep of dedicated surface lots, similar to what happened decades ago in places like Houston and even in Uptown Charlotte?  Yes, a number of high-rises are built with embedded parking, but the property use intensity of skyscrapers filled with the auto-bound masses winds up driving demand for surrounding surface lots.  Are there design regulations to prevent that in South End?  Or is preferred parking scouting out spots?  For what it's worth, I can't imagine what preferred parking would flatten to create surface lots for a rising South End.

Considering the roughly 25 miles of light rail in Mecklenburg County runs through Southend.. the answer better be a big Hell No! At this stage in the game undeveloped Uptown and Southend property is too valuable to remain undeveloped which is why we are seeing a resurgence of new construction. Paved lots will continue to disappear, especially Uptown. Southend may have a few 1/4 surface lots here and there when the dust settles. My 2 cents

9 minutes ago, AirNostrumMAD said:

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Their(Montreals) Metro stations are among the best looking in the world IMO.

 

The People are among the best looking AND best dressed in the world as well. Imo

What's the source saying Charlotte is more dense then Montreal? 

 

[J-Rob]

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[RANYC]

1 minute ago, Skyybutter said:

Considering the roughly 25 miles of light rail in Mecklenburg County runs through Southend.. the answer better be a big Hell No! At this stage in the game undeveloped Uptown and Southend property is too valuable to remain undeveloped which is why we are seeing a resurgence of new construction. Paved lots will continue to disappear, especially Uptown. Southend may have a few 1/4 surface lots here and there when the dust settles. My 2 cents

We're very lucky as a sunbelt city to see this kind of activity in our center city (even if it's not exactly Uptown...still the urban core IMO).

Places like Jacksonville would kill for the type of activity we've got happening.  And I love that even with grand announcements like Ballantyne Reimagined, it really isn't holding a flame to the organically urbanizing and densifying urban core, in neighborhoods like South-End and NODA and Plaza.  Yes, I view Ballantyne Reimagined as faux-urbanity in far-flung sprawl and far away from the ethnic and socioeconomic diversity that makes urban cores authentically urban...

The urban core competes with Ballantyne, but is winning the competition hand over foot.

[videtur quam contuor]

31 minutes ago, AirNostrumMAD said:

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That's not even mentioning Montreal has 100x the vibrancy than anywhere in Charlotte. Their Metro stations are among the best looking in the world IMO.

 

 

@RANYC SouthEnd wont get surface lots like Houston or Charlotte in the 70's & 80's. That was very much a trend of it's time. 

A comparison of Montréal to Charlotte is misplaced, though perhaps in good faith.

My first visit to Montréal was for the 1976 Olympics. I do not know what I expected from the visit but the reality was the city was so alive it was as though there was electricity coursing though it with people jumping and dancing. Beautiful women in the streets and parks, a Gay Village community (!), al fresco dining, crowded sidewalks, late night life everywhere with nearly no threat of danger other than the port area which at that time was out of tourist focus. People from all over the world visiting. Nearly new Metro service which was quiet and clean, smiling faces everywhere, a BIG election in the offing which promised changes for the Province and its own bubble of conversation with three major newspapers was on top of all the rest. I could not get enough of the experience. I promised myself I would return as soon as I could. I have been there another 20 or so times and it is always good.

As with other sensuous experiences in life, I may not remember every time so vividly but I certainly remember the FIRST time.

[Blue_Devil]

53 minutes ago, RANYC said:

I saw a pic on twitter of downtown Houston in the 1970s.  The pic showed seas of newly-created surface parking where historic, low-rise downtown structures had been leveled.  These surface lots were created to accommodate a surge in parking demand as downtown went from a mixed-use neighborhood to an office destination for regional suburbanites, using their cars to get into the CBD and to these intense, vertical property uses.

South End has gone from a low-rise industrial area to a low-to-mid-rise mixed-use area, and will soon be a mixed-use high-rise district.  As new office construction in South End starts to beckon thousands of office workers from around the region, many of whom will drive into the neighborhood, is there a chance we'll start to see the creep of dedicated surface lots, similar to what happened decades ago in places like Houston and even in Uptown Charlotte?  Yes, a number of high-rises are built with embedded parking, but the property use intensity of skyscrapers filled with the auto-bound masses winds up driving demand for surrounding surface lots.  Are there design regulations to prevent that in South End?  Or is preferred parking scouting out spots?  For what it's worth, I can't imagine what preferred parking would flatten to create surface lots for a rising South End.

I think at this point lots are too expensive for parking companies to come in and buy. Economic forces won't allow them to come in an pay 20 million for an acre just for parking. Now, you may see some land banking tear down older warehouses and turn those into parking while they wait for additional adjoining properties to go up for sale. 

[Blue_Devil]

2 hours ago, RANYC said:

We're very lucky as a sunbelt city to see this kind of activity in our center city (even if it's not exactly Uptown...still the urban core IMO).

Places like Jacksonville would kill for the type of activity we've got happening.  And I love that even with grand announcements like Ballantyne Reimagined, it really isn't holding a flame to the organically urbanizing and densifying urban core, in neighborhoods like South-End and NODA and Plaza.  Yes, I view Ballantyne Reimagined as faux-urbanity in far-flung sprawl and far away from the ethnic and socioeconomic diversity that makes urban cores authentically urban...

The urban core competes with Ballantyne, but is winning the competition hand over foot.

The lightrail was a catalyst for all the growth in SouthEnd, and its Organic feel, but I still believe Uptown is 5000 apartments away from having its own organic and vibrant scene. You just need more people actually living there. 

SouthEnd has about 10000 apartment units on the way, probably 10000 already in place, and it surrounded by walkable neighborhoods. It feels organic because it s used by the people who live there, which has created a gigantic demand for more people to want to live there. I wouldn't be surprised if we get another 20-40 apartment towers along the lightrail line in SouthEnd over the next 10 years, not including the all the midrises that will be built too. 

Edited February 10, 2022 by Blue_Devil

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

I didn't mean overall density or vibrancy. I specifically said tower density. And perhaps we haven't but we should after this wave. We need a TON more low rise and mid rise.

 

 

[15895]

7 minutes ago, CarolinaDaydreamin said:

I didn't mean overall density or vibrancy. I specifically said tower density. And perhaps we haven't but we should after this wave. We need a TON more low rise and mid rise.

 

 

You did say tower density, so you were right. It’s just hard to not notice the jarring difference between the two otherwise. 

& I just think it is a data point that supports that tall buildings isn’t all it takes for a thriving urban environment. Which is what sort of drives disagreements here more than anything.

The attitude of believing rehabbing or repurposing existing buildings and building on available land (which leads to interesting structural density and creative uses and also providing opportunities for nice venues), new buildings paying attention to the  context of surrounding environment, activation, pedestrian level, etc 

Versus the attitude of “this tower was better than what was there before though” / “would you rather not grow” etc .

Also, all cities are really just growing so much these days. Even Omaha is getting a 50-Floor beautiful Office tower. Cities are growing crazy these days.  and Charlotte is doing pretty good IMO

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

1 minute ago, AirNostrumMAD said:

You did say tower density, so you were right. It’s just hard to not notice the jarring difference between the two otherwise. 

& I just think it is a data point that supports that tall buildings isn’t all it takes for a thriving urban environment. Which is what sort of drives disagreements here more than anything.

The attitude of believing rehabbing or repurposing existing buildings and building on available land (which leads to interesting structural density and creative uses and also providing opportunities for nice venues), new buildings paying attention to the  context of surrounding environment, activation, pedestrian level, etc 

Versus the attitude of “this tower was better than what was there before though” / “would you rather not grow” etc .

Also, all cities are really just growing so much these days. Even Omaha is getting a 50-Floor beautiful Office tower. Cities are growing crazy these days.  and Charlotte is doing pretty good IMO

Consider how much larger of an area that Montreal CBD is too...

[JRCLT]

I wouldn’t care if Charlotte never got a 1k ft tower (observation deck mmm, yes please!) as long as it has more density of low to mid rises than now. That would be great! Variety is what makes a thriving urban environment.

[Blue_Devil]

11 minutes ago, JeanClt said:

I wouldn’t care if Charlotte never got a 1k ft tower (observation deck mmm, yes please!) as long as it has more density of low to mid rises than now. That would be great! Variety is what makes a thriving urban environment.

At this point I would only want a 1k tower if most of the usable uptown land was developed. I would rather have 5 200' towers filling up empty lots, filled with apartments and condos. 

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

33 minutes ago, Blue_Devil said:

At this point I would only want a 1k tower if most of the usable uptown land was developed. I would rather have 5 200' towers filling up empty lots, filled with apartments and condos. 

The empty lots are strategically being held, its not like they won't be filled.

[Blue_Devil]

Just now, CarolinaDaydreamin said:

The empty lots are strategically being held, its not like they won't be filled.

Yah, I know. I hope they are not strategically held for the next 20 years.

[ertley]

6 hours ago, tarhoosier said:

As with other sensuous experiences in life, I may not remember every time so vividly but I certainly remember the FIRST time.

In the immortal words of Sade, "It's never as good as the first time..."