Queensbridge Collective - 1 tower, maybe 2

[Reverie39]

On 9/9/2022 at 10:04 PM, DJ8hep said:

I agree, I want to put a guess that it will come just over 600’ (like 608’-612’).

I love SkyscraperPage! I’ve been referencing that website since like 2006!!
I’ll be curious to know what they changed when those are published. Definitely agree though.

That is a cool visualization of Charlotte skyscrapers and high-rises on that site

[KJHburg]

from their website as long as this looks like this I can take a few floors shorter.  

Edited September 12, 2022 by KJHburg

[SydneyCarton]

Isn’t it basically the same thing but a little shorter?  It looks amazing.

I like how the two buildings connect.  It reminds me of some buildings on the  High Line in the “city that shall go nameless.”

Edited September 12, 2022 by SydneyCarton

[KJHburg]

31 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Isn’t it basically the same thing but a little shorter?  It looks amazing.

I like how the two buildings connect.  It reminds me of some buildings on the  High Line in the “city that shall go nameless.”

these are their current renderings on their website I am saying I am hearing and people on UP are reporting the main office tower is a bit shorter like 37 floors but not sure of any of changes. 

[Poo Diddy]

It's going to be interesting to see how (if) this one progresses.  From what I hear their budgets vs real cost of material is stark.  Architects drew a Ferrari and they have Lexus budgets. 

I'll 2nd what KJ is saying; the office tower may come out shorter than expected.  

[RANYC]

5 minutes ago, Poo Diddy said:

It's going to be interesting to see how (if) this one progresses.  From what I hear their budgets vs real cost of material is stark.  Architects drew a Ferrari and they have Lexus budgets. 

I'll 2nd what KJ is saying; the office tower may come out shorter than expected.  

Queensbridge to Duchessbridge?

[Matthew.Brendan]

57 minutes ago, Poo Diddy said:

It's going to be interesting to see how (if) this one progresses.  From what I hear their budgets vs real cost of material is stark.  Architects drew a Ferrari and they have Lexus budgets. 

I'll 2nd what KJ is saying; the office tower may come out shorter than expected.  

More like they drew a Chicago building and they have a Charlotte budget.

[FLOSC843]

This is giving me 2015 vibes of Tryon Place lol. Before anyone takes this the wrong way, I don't mean that negatively but more so in the aspects of we have a mouth-watering rendering, speculation surrounding floors/height, and it too was to be a "transformative" project. For those who don't know Tryon Place was a office /hotel development that was to be built on what is now ACC (Ally Corp Center).  Renderings of the project were a fan fav on UP but the original plans were scrapped ( escapes me what happened). It was practically the same layout but totally different building concepts. In the end, we got the ACC and JW Marriot which worked out fine because the ACC and all of its retail and interactive spaces contribute tremendously to that intersection. 

photo credit: Axios Charlotte

[Norm2]

51 minutes ago, FLOSC843 said:

This is giving me 2015 vibes of Tryon Place lol. Before anyone takes this the wrong way, I don't mean that negatively but more so in the aspects of we have a mouth-watering rendering, speculation surrounding floors/height, and it too was to be a "transformative" project. For those who don't know Tryon Place was a office /hotel development that was to be built on what is now ACC (Ally Corp Center).  Renderings of the project were a fan fav on UP but the original plans were scrapped ( escapes me what happened). It was practically the same layout but totally different building concepts. In the end, we got the ACC and JW Marriot which worked out fine because the ACC and all of its retail and interactive spaces contribute tremendously to that intersection. 

photo credit: Axios Charlotte

I could be mistaken, bit I think Duke Energy was going to be the original tenant for what is now ACC. When they pulled out that completely changed the project.

[Reverie39]

This has to be one of, if not the most valuable relatively undeveloped land in the urban core right? If something goes wrong with Queensbridge I have to think it will get replaced by another impressive high-rise at some point.

[FLOSC843]

15 minutes ago, Reverie39 said:

This has to be one of, if not the most valuable relatively undeveloped land in the urban core right? If something goes wrong with Queensbridge I have to think it will get replaced by another impressive high-rise at some point.

Personally, I would think so. This is untapped territory so to speak (for high rise that is) and seems that developers would be vying for the rights to this kind of visibility. Imagine your tower as the lone tower (or towers in this case) that bridges the gap between uptown and south end in the skyline. All that said, the area to my knowledge hasn't been considered for a project of this size up to this point. The next best thing is the 17-story tower planned further up Morehead. So disappointing that the Crown , just across the street, wasn't high-rise residential or mixed-use. 

[KJHburg]

7 hours ago, norm21499 said:

I could be mistaken, bit I think Duke Energy was going to be the original tenant for what is now ACC. When they pulled out that completely changed the project.

first I think it was going to be Duke Energy, then Wells Fargo was looking at and then finally Ally took it.  The building design changed as the anchors changed due to size and scope.  Overall I like the ACC and JW Marriott 

or it might have been Wells Fargo that looked at first then Duke I can't remember now.  

Edited September 12, 2022 by KJHburg

[SydneyCarton]

22 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

first I think it was going to be Duke Energy, then Wells Fargo was looking at and then finally Ally took it.  The building design changed as the anchors changed due to size and scope.  Overall I like the ACC and JW Marriott 

I agree.  It turned out great.

[FLOSC843]

Im neither expert nor insider but I share in the opinion a few others expressed which is im okay if the office loses a few floors. Fingers crossed nothing too drastic aesthetically though.

[videtur quam contuor]

What is the marginal cost increase for each additional floor on such a tall building? As height rises, is there an accelerated increase in cost as floors increase or is it simply a sum of all floors?

Edited September 13, 2022 by tarhoosier

[KJHburg]

46 minutes ago, tarhoosier said:

What is the marginal cost increase for each additional floor on such a tall building? As height rises, is there an accelerated increase in cost as floors increase or is it simply a sum of all floors?

More elevator banks are required as you could higher and higher and so there is some cost that way.  I thought we discussed this before and said the 25 floor mark give or take a few is a big break.   

[CLT-704]

32 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

More elevator banks are required as you could higher and higher and so there is some cost that way.  I thought we discussed this before and said the 25 floor mark give or take a few is a big break.   

To add to that.. Breaking the 400 ft. height adds additional codes for building and fire.  Mechanical systems start to max out so you end up splitting the system(s) to serve high and low rise partitions of the building.  The same goes for plumbing and fire protection.   You also start triggering requirements for a 3rd stairwell which takes up significant rentable square footage. 

[JRCLT]

What is the marginal cost increase for each additional floor on such a tall building? As height rises, is there an accelerated increase in cost as floors increase or is it simply a sum of all floors?

Building more space than they can realistically and occupy with certainty is also a factor. There is a point where building taller in ratio with other factors such as property values is actually more profitable than building lower.

[KJHburg]

stay tuned on this thread for news on this project hopefully today......

well here you go exclusive at the Biz Journal 

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2022/09/13/riverside-queensbridge-collective-uptown-south-end.html

"""The $750 million project at 1111 S. Tryon St., called Queensbridge Collective, is scheduled to begin site preparation work before the end of the year, Anthony Scacco, chief operating officer at Riverside, told Charlotte Business Journal. Riverside's land development and foundation permits should be approved in early December at the latest. Scacco said they will begin site work immediately upon receiving those permits. The development is slated to deliver in 2025.

The mixed-use development was originally envisioned as a 42-story, 750,000-square-foot office building, a 38-story apartment building with 350 units and a 30-story, 300-unit apartment building. Scacco said the plans have changed slightly since details were announced in March. Geotechnical analysis earlier this year revealed that the level below which the ground is saturated with water is higher than they originally thought. For this reason, Riverside chose to consolidate the two apartment towers into one, larger building. This, he said, allows for a more efficient above-ground parking structure.  The tower will include parking incorporated into its lower levels, as well as 20,000 square feet of ground-floor retail.

"The changes that manifested have emanated from the need to make parking as efficient as possible and mitigate the fact that we weren’t able to go as deep with the parking as expected because of the water table," he said.  The updated residential tower will have more than 400 units and stand no more than 45 stories tall, with the average of about 1,000 square feet per unit. Scacco said the building will have a tiered structure with penthouse units on the top floor, primarily one- and two-bedroom units throughout the upper half, and a mix of studio, one- and two-bedroom units in the bottom half.""

I really like 2 taller towers!  

 

 

Edited September 13, 2022 by KJHburg

[KJHburg]

More of the new renderings

 

[Blue_Devil]

2 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

More of the new renderings

 

Well this is both amazing and disappointing at the same time. 

[KJHburg]

"We’re in active negotiations with multiple tenants," he said. "It’s far too soon to make any predictions, but we’re feeling confident."  from the article. 

Not saying KJ Diversified Industries is in discussion or not but the CEO is in favor...

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

For all the doom and gloom, this project is still on track to be transformative and potentially even better.

1 minute ago, Blue_Devil said:

 disappointing at the same time. 

No it isn't.

[AltNative]

I'm still excited for this project but that parking podium is a lot more pronounced now and as we've seen countless times, parking deck screening once built RARELY looks anywhere near as good as the rendering. Time will tell

[KJHburg]

for more insights:

""Geotechnical analysis earlier this year revealed that the level below which the ground is saturated with water is higher than they originally thought. For this reason, Riverside chose to consolidate the two apartment towers into one, larger building. This, he said, allows for a more efficient above-ground parking structure""

for your aquarium boosters here is your chance:  the worlds first underground Aquarium in the high water table if we can convince the boys from Chicago....

20,000 sq ft of ground floor retail

"We pushed the office building to the north creating a more generous separation with more light and air and better view," he said. "We’ve increased the unit size on the residential to better align with market demand and have tried to differentiate the unit mix to create more variety, including some very special penthouse units at the top of the building."

this makes the office tenants who are going to pay the big bucks better views and allows for more separation between the 2 towers so they can all have light and some views.

this sounds exciting:  ""The tower consolidation also allowed for the creation of a 12,000-square-foot indoor-outdoor restaurant space on the 10th floor,""

completion in 2025 which means when or if a recession worsens they will be opening in time for a recovery.   and this new plan may mean the entire block will be built at once instead of 2 phases as the three tower project was proposed.