Queensbridge Collective - 1 tower, maybe 2

[KJHburg]

9 hours ago, JorgiPorgi said:

This looks substantial and might have already been posted- these towers look tall. About how many stories are we taking here? 

one maybe close to 600 feet or more tall the office tower,  the apartment towers less of course.  

[SydneyCarton]

8 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

one maybe close to 600 feet or more tall the office tower,  the apartment towers less of course.  

With the development of skyscrapers in SouthEnd, Charlotte's skyline is going to start looking quite large -- kind of like Midtown and Downtown Atl. 

[CharlotteWkndBuzz]

Guess what came to mind: If the office tower portion is roughly around the estimated 600' range...South End will have the tallest skyscraper in the Carolinas, outside of Uptown...how bout dem apples!  And better yet, along with this tower & the new Duke tower, CLT is pushing Raleigh's tallest (PNC Plaza 538') in the Top 10 Tallest (NC) even further down the list.  Hopefully, soon, we can make the Top 10 all CLT towers.  

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

1 hour ago, KJHburg said:

one maybe close to 600 feet or more tall the office tower,  the apartment towers less of course.  

Office has the potential to be slightly taller than 600 if they can reel in a big fish.

[Norm2]

Wow, according to The Ledger, the first building won't finish construction until 2027.....

[JRCLT]

Can we please trade in a handful of these coming towers for a single modern 1300’ instead? [emoji20]

Or… Keep those towers and build an observation/radio or tower with a restaurant and views of charlotte area in uptown…with a unique deck design which resembles a crown… like CN tower in Toronto or space needle… maybe along with that aquarium that everyone wants in Charlotte…Just a pipe dream lol and just a thought. I say this because I would rather take density than a huge tower surrounded by parking lots or decks. A skyline is only beautiful in its diversity of structures and appearance also streetscape and pedestrian experience. Something really tall could come a little more down the road and that is okay. Charlotte is still growing.

[TCLT]

If this development ended up getting a hotel, what's the most likely flag? Given Riverside's pedigree and the huge amount of money they're suggesting spending on this, I assume it would have to be a luxury flag right. Are there any obvious candidates? Conrad is one of the few I can think of not already here or planned for another location and is often aimed at an urban/corporate audience. Seems like it would work given the proximity to LU/DEP/Ally plus all of the expected development planned along Morehead. Nothing else jumps out as likely, but I'm probably forgetting several brands.

[SydneyCarton]

54 minutes ago, CharlotteWkndBuzz said:

Guess what came to mind: If the office tower portion is roughly around the estimated 600' range...South End will have the tallest skyscraper in the Carolinas, outside of Uptown...how bout dem apples!  And better yet, along with this tower & the new Duke tower, CLT is pushing Raleigh's tallest (PNC Plaza 538') in the Top 10 Tallest (NC) even further down the list.  Hopefully, soon, we can make the Top 10 all CLT towers.  

Having lived in both Charlotte and the Triangle, I have the firm opinion that Charlotte is so dramatically superior to Raleigh.  There’s really no comparison between the two.

[turbocraig]

31 minutes ago, norm21499 said:

Wow, according to The Ledger, the first building won't finish construction until 2027.....

Hmmm… that’s interesting.  The Biz Journal article says they’ll first start delivering at the end of 2024, with the remainder finishing up a few years later.   Not sure which happens first, but there’s a lot of fuzziness with this one at this point.   

[jtmonk]

 

33 minutes ago, norm21499 said:

Wow, according to The Ledger, the first building won't finish construction until 2027.....

According to the Journal it will start delivering in 2024 with full completion around 2027.

[turbocraig]

14 minutes ago, TCLT said:

If this development ended up getting a hotel, what's the most likely flag? Given Riverside's pedigree and the huge amount of money they're suggesting spending on this, I assume it would have to be a luxury flag right. Are there any obvious candidates? Conrad is one of the few I can think of not already here or planned for another location and is often aimed at an urban/corporate audience. Seems like it would work given the proximity to LU/DEP/Ally plus all of the expected development planned along Morehead. Nothing else jumps out as likely, but I'm probably forgetting several brands.

Four Seasons or St. Regis or Loews to name a few.  I think a W would be a good fit for SouthEnd.  Are they still making those anymore?

[TGIBridays]

31 minutes ago, jtmonk said:

 

According to the Journal it will start delivering in 2024 with full completion around 2027.

I read that as the first building being delivered in 2024 and the site (with the other buildings) being finished by 2027.  I might be wrong though.

[ertley]

There's a lot to like, or love, about this announcement, but the thing that piqued my interest the most is the statement that the top of the parking garage is going to be a park. In all of the discussions on this site of developments and critiques of many, many parking garages, I've understood the criticisms of the less than stellar screening of most, or nearly all, of them, but my primary point of mystification has always been why--besides cost, of course--developers committed to non-structural podium parking garage structures don't  design them to have either green roofs--or parks--or swimming pools for their facilities.

I'm not a structural engineer, but as a layman, it would seem that parking structures have to bear intense loads anyway, so I wouldn't think it would require *too* much more support to incorporate a green roof or pool deck, and for me it seems a lot safer and easier to deal with a pool atop a parking garage rather than one embedded in an actual habitable structure. 

For me, this was especially egregious with the Ally Center deck: Rather than having J. W. Marriott guests looking down over a parking deck, they could've had a more expansive, luxurious pool deck surrounding by green roofing...

So, hopefully, Riverside is going to 'raise the bar' in Charlotte by increasing people's expectations for what can be done with the top levels of parking garages--and perhaps even extant as well as future ones. 

[Norm2]

The Ledger definitely says the first building complete by 2027. I wonder if it's a typo?

[Windsurfer]

5 minutes ago, ertley said:

There's a lot to like, or love, about this announcement, but the thing that piqued my interest the most is the statement that the top of the parking garage is going to be a park. In all of the discussions on this site of developments and critiques of many, many parking garages, I've understood the criticisms of the less than stellar screening of most, or nearly all, of them, but my primary point of mystification has always been why--besides cost, of course--developers committed to non-structural podium parking garage structures don't  design them to have either green roofs--or parks--or swimming pools for their facilities.

I'm not a structural engineer, but as a layman, it would seem that parking structures have to bear intense loads anyway, so I wouldn't think it would require *too* much more support to incorporate a green roof or pool deck, and for me it seems a lot safer and easier to deal with a pool atop a parking garage rather than one embedded in an actual habitable structure. 

For me, this was especially egregious with the Ally Center deck: Rather than having J. W. Marriott guests looking down over a parking deck, they could've had a more expansive, luxurious pool deck surrounding by green roofing...

So, hopefully, Riverside is going to 'raise the bar' in Charlotte by increasing people's expectations for what can be done with the top levels of parking garages--and perhaps even extant as well as future ones. 

The pool-over-parking has always been a thing in Miami.  The TradeMark has one over the deck and even that one has an occasional leak.   I'd like to see solar panels over parking myself.

[TheRealClayton]

18 hours ago, RANYC said:

Nice renderings.  Cool looking spaces for pedestrians. 

Can someone remind me though why this will be more certain than, say, Centre South or 110 East?  I mean, 110 East is just office, so this is quite different in that sense.  

For some reason, in this commercial real estate market, I was sort of expecting an announcment of 800k+ square feet of new office space to also come with the mention of an anchor tenant and job count.

 Glad to see more dense residential, however, and also happy to see yet another deep-pocketed development firm have enough confidence in Charlotte's appeal to acquire property here and propose development.

Legacy Union was envisioned as a home for Bank of America, but they still called it Spec. Thats just how it works in the industry. 110 East has grading permits and will be starting very soon.

33 minutes ago, norm21499 said:

The Ledger definitely says the first building complete by 2027. I wonder if it's a typo?

that's incorrect, the entire site will be developed by 2027

12 hours ago, JacksonH said:

That's *all* I want to know, that the Midnight Diner will live on.  Nothing else matters. 

Being moved to a site across the street from the arena.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, TheRealClayton said:

Legacy Union was envisioned as a home for Bank of America, but they still called it Spec. Thats just how it works in the industry. 110 East has grading permits and will be starting very soon.

that's incorrect, the entire site will be developed by 2027

Being moved to a site across the street from the arena.

Spectrum Arena?

[TheRealClayton]

17 hours ago, CharlotteWkndBuzz said:

Realistically, I know the cap isn't coming anytime soon (if ever), but from looking at google maps and using the distance measure tool...I think bridges and 277 is just a mental game to ppl...it creates a bigger issue in our mind than what it actually is.  Mentally, 277 creates the perception that the distance and separation of Uptown and South End seem so substantial.  You can prob walk across 277 quicker than walking the span of any given parking deck Uptown lol (no blue font either).  But in reality, it's like a block or less to cross and luckily the Tryon bridge over 277 is our nicest one with large brick sidewalks on each side and bike lanes.  The future rail trail bridge is very close to this proposed development as well. Back in the day, all those blank lots where Uptown Cab is, really made that part of SE feel desolate and SE to me didnt really "start" until around Bland st (now carson).   But once this goes up, it's truly going to make it a seamless transition from Uptown to South End and vice versa.  I'll be waiting for the Charlotte Cigar lot and hopefully the lots next to them to follow suit (American Business journal buildings).  Could be an incredible cluster of towers in those 4 quadrants someday. 

The cap will absolutely happen. You can open up 16 acres for high density development just by reimagining the interchanges, putting in retaining walls, and land filling the berms that lead down to the highway. You can have a 4 acre park and a legacy union amount of space to build on. New property tax money will be able to fund it easily.

Edited November 5, 2021 by TheRealClayton

[Norm2]

Just now, MothBeast said:

Spectrum Arena?

I would assume so. There are a few parking lots in front of Spectrum Arena that would probably be suitable.

[Madison Parkitect]

11 minutes ago, TheRealClayton said:

The cap will absolutely happen. You can open up 16 acres for high density development just by reimagining the interchanges, putting in retaining walls, and land filling the berms that lead down to the highway. You can have a 4 acre park and a legacy union amount of space to build on. New property tax money will be able to fund it easily.

This seems right, it makes way too much sense for this not to happen. It's the easiest place around 277 to cap and it would create the most immediate high-density development. I'd imagine once this Riverside development really gets going you'll see a LOT more interest in the cap because people will realize how important that connection could be.

[CLT @❤️]

[RANYC]

35 minutes ago, TheRealClayton said:

The cap will absolutely happen. You can open up 16 acres for high density development just by reimagining the interchanges, putting in retaining walls, and land filling the berms that lead down to the highway. You can have a 4 acre park and a legacy union amount of space to build on. New property tax money will be able to fund it easily.

Cap or current Transit Plan?  Also, if a cap looks increasingly likely or doable, should we think about using funds for the rail-trail bridge in a different way?

[JacksonH]

44 minutes ago, TheRealClayton said:

Being moved to a site across the street from the arena.

Thanks!  Good to know.

[RANYC]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Having lived in both Charlotte and the Triangle, I have the firm opinion that Charlotte is so dramatically superior to Raleigh.  There’s really no comparison between the two.

you're a trip, Sydney

[Mid South NC]

1 hour ago, CLT @ said:

National publications picking up the wire?