1010 Church Street (60 story/750', 500 unit residential tower, 7 story/60,000 sq. ft. YMCA addition), $350 million

[TNinVB]

20 hours ago, TNMichigander said:

I gotta say: I love that he's putting such a large tower there, but...it's quite plain, and I wish that the design was something more engaging. This just looks like a bigger 505.

I'll take whatever we can get, though!

Yeah I feel the same. I’m glad to see this going up, but was hoping the top would have more of a slant to it. From this angle it doesn’t look like it. Perhaps it’ll look more pronounced on the north and south facing facade. 

[titanhog]

[MagicPotato]

It seems like Nashville is scared of constructing crowns on top of high-rises/skyscrapers... excluding the one and probably only batman building. 

[Luvemtall]

Maybe , because another building would take away the thunder from the iconic Batman. And some might be hesitant to do so. I’m all for crowns and distinct shapes to buildings , and IMO Nashville needs more of them.

[Mr Gain]

I agree with the sentiment here. The buildings being put up in Nashville suck.

[BnaBreaker]

1 hour ago, Mr Gain said:

I agree with the sentiment here. The buildings being put up in Nashville suck.

I don't know that anyone is saying they "suck."  Those three in the photo above in particular are quite high quality, it's just that even they, in the end, fall into the 'glass rectangle' design trap that so many of Nashville's newer towers fall into, and it just overall makes for a somewhat boring visual experience.  

Edited September 3, 2022 by BnaBreaker

[Baronakim]

1 hour ago, Mr Gain said:

I agree with the sentiment here. The buildings being put up in Nashville suck.

Apparently so does your blanket statement.   Why don't you finance and construct some you like then?

 

[Rick Dalton]

It’s not 1980, people aren’t building office towers with ‘crowns’

[chris holman]

9 hours ago, MagicPotato said:

It seems like Nashville is scared of constructing crowns on top of high-rises/skyscrapers... excluding the one and probably only batman building. 

Batman story 

[Mr Gain]

2 hours ago, Baronakim said:

Apparently so does your blanket statement.   Why don't you finance and construct some you like then?

 

The quality of design (or lack thereof in Nashville's case) is a direct reflection of the city itself. It's time for Nashville developers to step up their game and be game changers.

[titanhog]

13 minutes ago, Mr Gain said:

The quality of design (or lack thereof in Nashville's case) is a direct reflection of the city itself. It's time for Nashville developers to step up their game and be game changers.

We have some really nice buildings in Nashville that were constructed in the past 30 years…it’s just that we don’t have a really tall iconic structure other than Batman…and that building should be at least 200-300’ taller to really be considered spectacular.  If Alcove was 750’…that would be a pretty amazing tower.  JWM is pretty awesome…but again…it doesn’t rise above the bland surrounding it.  I agree that 501 and Four Seasons could have been designed much more eye-popping…but at least we got some height.  I’ll reserve judgment on the YMCA tower until it’s built because the “crinkled” exterior could be pretty eye-catching in the end.  But I will agree…all the flat top buildings are getting old.

[NissanvilleTitans]

I feel like the real life alcove looks more like the older rendering which has the better looking crown on the y tower. So maybe the real life version of the y could turn out more like that version with the better crown.

[Baronakim]

4 hours ago, Mr Gain said:

The quality of design (or lack thereof in Nashville's case) is a direct reflection of the city itself. It's time for Nashville developers to step up their game and be game changers.

My opinion is that the kind of buildings you seem to desire may be more likely to be built in Dubai, London or other world class cities.  If you, being a new poster, have gone through most of our current threads and can not see quality, I think I would have to regard you as somewhat of an architectural snob,  Many of those designs are created by the best firms in the USA, if not the world, and  are certainly not boring to me.  Regetably, the restriction of height that the FAA imposes on the core makes the kind of iconic height necessary for truly spectacular buildings a problem.  Those  crowns (besides being out of date designwise) cost a great deal of money and are difficult to justify when every floor level is necessary for occupiable square footage to make many projects viable.  The Batman tower was indeed fortunate to have a single tenant  of regional importance and deep pockets.  It won't happen again, but we all dream of the Signature returning.  Perhaps the kind of "game changing" design you imagine occurs when corporations like Amazon or Oracle  build their principal  flagship offices rather than their second or third level regional facilities.  Besides the Batman and perhaps HCA's Centennial hospital,  Nashville has not had that kind of corporate clout, but the quality of what we do have so far is a great deal more than other southern  cities like Birmingham, Louisville or St. Louis.  What is happening here, to me, is phenomenal and transformative.  I was born here in 1947 and I am generally pleased to see junk like the Lifeway, TPAC and other late 20th century monstrosities being replaced with more exciting developments but apparently less spectacularly than some members of the forum would wish.

Edited September 3, 2022 by Baronakim

[bnacincy]

As far as I am concerned, the L&C tower was not only the first Nashville skyscraper but is still the best in terms of world class design.

[BnaBreaker]

6 hours ago, natethegreat said:

It’s not 1980, people aren’t building office towers with ‘crowns’

Crown or no crown, the glass rectangle is just one of many avenues a design team could go down.  

[titanhog]

I’m just thankful we have a few developers who are thinking outside the “box” at least a little.  One22One…Alcove…JWM…new Pinnacle and hopefully Amazon 3 all take the box to a new level.  They may not be iconic…but they’re at least more interesting than many others we’ve landed.

[MontanaGuy]

46 minutes ago, titanhog said:

I’m just thankful we have a few developers who are thinking outside the “box” at least a little.  One22One…Alcove…JWM…new Pinnacle and hopefully Amazon 3 all take the box to a new level.  They may not be iconic…but they’re at least more interesting than many others we’ve landed.

I agree, my favorite building in Nashville is the JWM, it's certainly not a box and it has a sleek modern appearance, at least in my opinion.  The old Pinnacle is actually better than a lot of the new buildings with the setbacks and angled top, it's like it tried to have a crown but kinda petered out, not bad though.  I'm really looking forward to 1010 Church and hoping it will look very impressive on our skyline. 

[MagicPotato]

12 hours ago, natethegreat said:

It’s not 1980, people aren’t building office towers with ‘crowns’

I'm not against the new buildings that are currently or will be under construction, they look cool and I like the designs. I wouldn't say crowns/spires are out of style either, but it'll be nice to have a little of a mixture.  Nonetheless, I still do like the designs, I'm just being an architecture snob .

[Rick Dalton]

Crowns are out of style because they’re wasted $

[Luvemtall]

12 minutes ago, natethegreat said:

Crowns are out of style because they’re wasted $

I think you really have something there, the iconic towers of past ( Empire State, Chrysler..etc) were the works of the elites of the day. They spared no cost to promote their wealth and status in the world. Today’s mighty and elite, are all Penny counters and self absorbed and could care less if they make a statement with architectural achievements. It’s a different world today then in the so called “hey days” of yesteryear. Baronakim, feel free to lend your perspective of this, I love to read your informative insights to the world of architecture. 

[MontanaGuy]

2 hours ago, natethegreat said:

Crowns are out of style because they’re wasted $

I get what you're saying and it makes some sense.  I would just add that if builders scrimp too much they end up with a very bland product that doesn't hold its value.  Do you really want to see Nashville with a bunch of generic looking skyscrapers?  While it may be true that buildings like the Chrysler Building may have been built because of someone's ego as Luvemtall suggested it's also true that those kind of inspirational towers are what inspired me to become enthusiastic about skyscrapers in the first place!  And by the way I appreciate your thoughts and opinions on the forum! 

[Rick Dalton]

8 minutes ago, MontanaGuy said:

I get what you're saying and it makes some sense.  I would just add that if builders scrimp too much they end up with a very bland product that doesn't hold its value.  Do you really want to see Nashville with a bunch of generic looking skyscrapers?  While it may be true that buildings like the Chrysler Building may have been built because of someone's ego as Luvemtall suggested it's also true that those kind of inspirational towers are what inspired me to become enthusiastic about skyscrapers in the first place!  And by the way I appreciate your thoughts and opinions on the forum! 

Yeah I’d love to see them, and I’m not trying to be antagonistic. I just don’t think we’ll see many new buildings with ‘crowns’ anywhere given that we’re not in the heyday of office building anymore. I still think many of Nashville's new buildings are very nice, even without them. 

[Baronakim]

1 hour ago, MontanaGuy said:

I get what you're saying and it makes some sense.  I would just add that if builders scrimp too much they end up with a very bland product that doesn't hold its value.  Do you really want to see Nashville with a bunch of generic looking skyscrapers?  While it may be true that buildings like the Chrysler Building may have been built because of someone's ego as Luvemtall suggested it's also true that those kind of inspirational towers are what inspired me to become enthusiastic about skyscrapers in the first place!  And by the way I appreciate your thoughts and opinions on the forum! 

I think that a crown is fairly useless UNLESS the building stands out in height or is likely to remain freestanding.  As so many of the new buildings are of a similar height and close together, crowns on them would be quite lost  in the grouping.   IMO crowns on buildings of less than 400 feet are fairly useless.  I would rather see some creative facadework like Alcove or the tower proposed over at the West End/ Elliston Place site.

Edited September 4, 2022 by Baronakim

[titanhog]

37 minutes ago, Baronakim said:

I think that a crown is fairly useless UNLESS the building stands out in height or is likely to remain freestanding.  As so many of the new buildings are of a similar height and close together, crowns on them would be quite lost  in the grouping.   IMO crowns on buildings of less than 400 feet are fairly useless.  I would rather see some creative facadework kike Alcove or the tower proposed over at the West End/ Elliston Place site.

Yeah…it’s kinda like Batman.  You basically have a 400’ building with 200’ antennas.  It’s going to get lost over time.  I think something like the YMCA building at 750’ could use something more distinctive up to…even if it’s just a slanted roof (appearance only).

[subkyle]

37 minutes ago, titanhog said:

Yeah…it’s kinda like Batman.  You basically have a 400’ building with 200’ antennas.  It’s going to get lost over time.  I think something like the YMCA building at 750’ could use something more distinctive up to…even if it’s just a slanted roof (appearance only).

I have the sneaking suspicion that Tony will eventually get a real crown on one of his buildings before he’s done. You know the guy wants to make statements and he’ll eventually have the extra capital to pull it off