GBT River North, 3 towers of up to 38 stories, 3.7 acres

[markhollin]

GBT Realty is planning as many as 3 towers that could reach as high as 30 stories (according to zoning) on 3.7 acres of the River North area between the Oracle campus on the east, River North Landings on the west, and Top Golf on the south.  The address is 0 Waterside Drive (a new street being built for the area).

According to a document filed with the Tennessee Secretary of State office, the company has created GBT River North Equity, LLC. Sources told the Post GBT is looking to develop at River North, which will be anchored by the Oracle Corp. campus.

No further specs or renderings as of yet. 

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/local-developer-eyes-river-north-site/article_35a1b36a-31dc-11ec-bfac-7f4952eca0ac.html

This screen shot from Smeagolsfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in teal at the center of the frame:

[colemangaines]

That's great news! I'm wondering if all the River North development could motivate Top Golf to move somewhere else. That's going to be some valuable land in a few years!

[smeagolsfree]

Amazing what these Secretary or State documents can reveal. More to come!!!!!

[UrbanWes03]

6 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Amazing what these Secretary or State documents can reveal. More to come!!!!!

Eager to see what that more is! Hopefully this and the RMR project will spur a cluster of high rises on the East Bank. 

[TheRaglander]

33 minutes ago, colemangaines said:

That's great news! I'm wondering if all the River North development could motivate Top Golf to move somewhere else. That's going to be some valuable land in a few years!

I hear what you're saying but there's no way TopGolf moves.  It's an incredible property for them that draws the visitors to downtown Nashville.  I bet PSC sells before TopGolf does.  LOL.  I am curious about how this new development will address the large amount of light that comes from TopGolf and pointed right in its direction.

[downtownresident]

4 minutes ago, TheRaglander said:

I hear what you're saying but there's no way TopGolf moves.  It's an incredible property for them that draws the visitors to downtown Nashville.  I bet PSC sells before TopGolf does.  LOL.  I am curious about how this new development will address the large amount of light that comes from TopGolf and pointed right in its direction.

I could see an office building going there, would shade any residential building on the other side. 

[UrbanWes03]

40 minutes ago, colemangaines said:

That's great news! I'm wondering if all the River North development could motivate Top Golf to move somewhere else. That's going to be some valuable land in a few years!

Do we believe TopGolf will even move? I agree it is valuable land and a lot of it, but like TheRaglander pointed out, it draws a lot of visitors. IMO, if they can implement it well into RiverNorth and the East Bank neighborhood as a whole, I think it can be a very nice amenity for the neighborhood, for tourists and residents alike.

[smeagolsfree]

I think diversity of land use in that area goes along way. You need different land uses to make the area interesting. Besides, we have hundreds of acres available for development along the East Bank and elsewhere surrounding the core still available.

Everything cant be all offices and shiny new towers. Nashville is not NYC nor is it Atlanta. We are our own animal and we need to embrace the tourism as well as the business diversity we have.

I think Top Golf is fine and is a draw for the residents that locate to the East Bank.

[colemangaines]

I just looked it up and the average Topgolf brings in $21.5 million in revenue per year. I'm sure building out River North will boost that number for this location though.

They own around 22.7 acres in the area, so I guess it would need to be a pretty big sum to get them to move - now that I look at the numbers it doesn't seem as plausible as I thought.

That'll look pretty cool though, a driving range lined by high rises. 

[VSRJ]

I'm not opposed to the concept of TopGolf, but man-oh-man it is an unflattering mark on the skyline.

[nashvylle]

Is there another TopGolf in an urban area like this? Most of the ones I have seen / been to are in the middle of nowhere. 

1 minute ago, VSRJ said:

I'm not opposed to the concept of TopGolf, but man-oh-man it is an unflattering mark on the skyline.

I (respectfully) disagree. I think the different levels resemble box suites at a stadium, and the large columns add variety. I imagine tourists (Football, Hockey, Soccer fans) look at that as a great way to kill time during their stay. 

[Urbanman]

1 minute ago, nashvylle said:

Is there another TopGolf in an urban area like this? Most of the ones I have seen / been to are in the middle of nowhere. 

Birmingham if I remember correctly.

[colemangaines]

Their usual strategy is to build right next to the highway farther away from the urban core. They also have virtual "Swing Suites" in central locations in some cities.

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[Flatrock]

There are urban driving ranges in the middle of cities, adjacent to high rises all over the world. London and Tokyo come to mind. I lived in Japan for several years, and there were quite a few near me, in major, built-up urban environments. It was cool. I don't see the problem..... As @smeagolsfree stated - a diversity of amenities is what truly makes a unique neighborhood/city. Not conformity.

[Rick Dalton]

The Water Hazard | Golf Club Bar & Lounge | Chelsea Piers NYC

[colemangaines]

I don't see a problem with it either, I was just curious where Topgolf is on the cost benefit spectrum: more similar to the Jim Reed and Beaman sites that can be moved for the right amount, or worth anchoring down where they are. I think as far as midsized North American cities go, we'd be on a very short list of ones with downtown driving ranges. Another fun accolade to brag about.

I kind of got us off topic anyways, this about potentially get three 30 story towers on the east bank! That's huge!!

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[DMilner]

18 minutes ago, nashvylle said:

Is there another TopGolf in an urban area like this? Most of the ones I have seen / been to are in the middle of nowhere. 

I (respectfully) disagree. I think the different levels resemble box suites at a stadium, and the large columns add variety. I imagine tourists (Football, Hockey, Soccer fans) look at that as a great way to kill time during their stay. 

Las Vegas. 

[Rick Dalton]

I like having GBT in the backyard, they seem to have an eye for exciting projects

[nashvylle]

45 minutes ago, Flatrock said:

 As @smeagolsfree stated - a diversity of amenities is what truly makes a unique neighborhood/city. Not conformity.

I do prefer cities (i.e. Washington DC) that have a "museum district" versus cities (New York) that have museums spread throughout the city. That preference is purely from a visitor perspective. I love the idea of attending several museums all in one day and being able to walk and be surrounded by museum visitors too). However, I can understand why city leaders look at museums as economic drivers for certain areas of the city. I believe Nashville is close to having two "districts" ala Bicentennial Park area and Broadway area, which work for tourists for a weekend trip: TN State Museum, Library Archives, and Musicians Hall of Fame as one district, and CMHOF, NMAAM, George Jones Museum, Johnny Cash, etc. for the other district. 

 

[Binbin98]

What will east nashville even look like 10 years from now I wonder

[PillowTalk4]

I know the conversation shifted to Top Golf, but back to the idea of three 30 story buildings... considering that current development appears to be mostly mid-rise buildings, I really didn't think anyone would come in with idea of building out River North with towers as the original concept called for.    I expected the tallest proposal for River North to be in the 20 story range quite honestly.  River North could become a smaller version of Century City in the LA area.  Which what Metro Center was supposed to be... a city within a city. 

As for Top Golf, there's no need for them to move.  It's an amenity that both tourist and locals can enjoy without traveling to the suburbs.  When I was in Nashville in 2019 visiting my mom,  I took my brother who was also visiting over there along with my mom and my partner.  We had a nice time doing something different, getting out of the house, etc.  I enjoyed the whole experience.  We stayed a little longer than anticipated because we could see the traffic on I-24 and we were in no rush to get in that mess.

[nashvylle]

3 minutes ago, PillowTalk4 said:

I enjoyed the whole experience.  We stayed a little longer than anticipated because we had 6-10 too many cocktails. 

fixed it for you

[Luvemtall]

Remember a few years ago, the proposals for a large Ferris Wheel ( London Eye) and Polar Coaster and the indoor drive-in movie theater. They were all on the East Bank, now with the new interest over there is it possible projects like those would materialize? Along with TopGolf , it would create a tourist draw and destination for family entertainment in the core.

[nashvylle]

1 minute ago, Luvemtall said:

it would create a tourist draw and destination for family entertainment in the core.

which is greatly needed. 

[Luvemtall]

I think that the PSC site would make a great location for some type of green space open park like area , with attractions like mentioned above placed within. Done right, it can look amazing. Not just a amusement park, but a family entertainment district .