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An informational discussion (no vote) will be held at the Nov. 2 DRB meeting (via Zoom) regarding a downtown development in the DT-6 zoning district. 

What do y'all think this will be?  My first thought was the Diamond Jewelers site on East Main, but it could also be the H-J site, I suppose.  I suspect it's a project with some public involvement, since this informational meeting is being held (and there's no parcel or developer specified).  Thoughts or speculation?

Here's the link to register for the Zoom meeting, since they never put the agenda on the City website until the day of the meeting... (Which is very annoying. All City boards need WAY more transparency, IMO. Full packets should be available online at least a week before the meetings. And with better formatting/navigation on the website. Most other cities do this...)

Here's the map of DT-6 (in red):

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An informational discussion (no vote) will be held at the Nov. 2 DRB meeting (via Zoom) regarding a downtown development in the DT-6 zoning district. 

What do y'all think this will be?  My first thought was the Diamond Jewelers site on East Main, but it could also be the H-J site, I suppose.  I suspect it's a project with some public involvement, since this informational meeting is being held (and there's no parcel or developer specified).  Thoughts or speculation?

Here's the link to register for the Zoom meeting, since they never put the agenda on the City website until the day of the meeting... (Which is very annoying. All City boards need WAY more transparency, IMO. Full packets should be available online at least a week before the meetings. And with better formatting/navigation on the website. Most other cities do this...)

Here's the map of DT-6 (in red):

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(Reposted because it was incorrectly moved to another thread. More info in next post.)

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Update on above^:  there's a follow-up to the Nov. 2 info meeting on November 16, where preliminary conceptual approval will be sought.  The project is half the south 100 block of East Main!  From just east of FR8Yard to the State Theater facade (see map below).  There seem to be different land owners involved, so maybe a partnership of some kind. 

The development is being led by Mark Peters of M Peters Group.  They've done or are doing several mill renovations including Plush Mill (complete) and Gordon Street Mill (planned) in Greenville and Newry Mill near Clemson. 

So I presume this East Main development will be a combination of renovation and addition.  Several of the buildings involved have unused upper floors that could be apartments.  It will be very interesting to see how all these properties are integrated into this project.  Guess we'll know something tomorrow.  (That Zoom link in the previous post registers you for both meetings, FYI.)

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8 hours ago, westsider28 said:

Update on above^:  there's a follow-up to the Nov. 2 info meeting on November 16, where preliminary conceptual approval will be sought.  The project is half the south 100 block of East Main!  From just east of FR8Yard to the State Theater facade (see map below).  There seem to be different land owners involved, so maybe a partnership of some kind. 

The development is being led by Mark Peters of M Peters Group.  They've done or are doing several mill renovations including Plush Mill (complete) and Gordon Street Mill (planned) in Greenville and Newry Mill near Clemson. 

So I presume this East Main development will be a combination of renovation and addition.  Several of the buildings involved have unused upper floors that could be apartments.  It will be very interesting to see how all these properties are integrated into this project.  Guess we'll know something tomorrow.  (That Zoom link in the previous post registers you for both meetings, FYI.)

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I'm wondering that since all these buildings are a hodgepodge the developer will tear 'em all down and construct something more substantial.  

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16 minutes ago, roads-scholar said:

I'm wondering that since all these buildings are a hodgepodge the developer will tear 'em all down and construct something more substantial.  

I doubt it.  This developer seems to specialize in adaptive reuse. Plus the community push-back against teardown would be enormous.

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This is a huge project that could be a game-changer for Spartanburg.  @roads-scholarYou were right; it's a wholesale redevelopment with facade preservation.  Here are the stats:

--Three towers on a parking/retail base maintaining most facades and providing a pedestrian path between Main and Broad. 

--200-units; apartments in the outer 2 towers (7 and 8 stories) condos in the center 10-story tower (at least the upper floors). 

--Towers are between 114 ft and 138 ft tall, stepped back 15-40 ft from Main. 

--208 parking spaces in screened deck accessed on Broad.  24,000 sq ft total retail space.

--$75-80 million investment; developers will seek incentives from the City (so I assume the City will require affordable units).

Screenshots from the Zoom presentation:

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Wow.

 

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49 minutes ago, westsider28 said:

This is a huge project that could be a game-changer for Spartanburg.  @roads-scholarYou were right; it's a wholesale redevelopment with facade preservation.  Here are the stats:

--Three towers on a parking/retail base maintaining most facades and providing a pedestrian path between Main and Broad. 

--200-units; apartments in the outer 2 towers (7 and 8 stories) condos in the center 10-story tower (at least the upper floors). 

--Towers are between 114 ft and 138 ft tall, stepped back 15-40 ft from Main. 

--208 parking spaces in screened deck accessed on Broad.  24,000 sq ft total retail space.

--$75-80 million investment; developers will seek incentives from the City (so I assume the City will require affordable units).

Screenshots from the Zoom presentation:

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Wow.

 

Holy moly!  If this happens Spartanburg will roar!   

Fingers [double] crossed.  
 

3 minutes ago, roads-scholar said:

Holy moly!  If this happens Spartanburg will roar!   

Fingers [double] crossed.  
 

I wonder if a hotel component is part of this project?

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20 minutes ago, roads-scholar said:

I wonder if a hotel component is part of this project?

No hotel.  Just residential.  I'm excited to see condos included.  We haven't had any of those since Library Commons (circa 2008).  They're banking on (mountain) views being a selling point for the condos.

Edit: Also, the architect presenting was David Crabtree, who works for Perkins&Will, a very high-profile firm.

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Looks like residential + office.

I'm really at a loss for words at the moment. I think any investment in downtown is great. There is so much opportunity here, and any addition of workers and residents will be a huge boon to the city. It looks like they're following the urban code to a T (which is good because they have no choice haha) and stepping back the high rise portions of the development. 

I am sad for the loss of otherwise viable historic buildings. Saving the façades is the most important part so no complaints there, but it's a shame that there doesn't seem to be a will to renovate/restore those buildings as-is and build this scale of building one block over. I have to say, though, that I don't care for the cantilevered look on the buildings. Just give us a solid mass and a traditional looking "high-rise" to blend in with the rest of Main Street.

As much as I support developments like this, I find it confounding that more of the parking lots and class b/c office spaces aren't being developed instead (I'm looking at you, United Community Bank) - but maybe this is the lynchpin. Once the "cool" parts of Main Street are fully occupied then good development will spread around to other blocks.

 

 

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The DRB meeting tonight was only to approve exceptions for the additional story beyond ten and the reduced setback from Main.  Those exceptions were approved.  The project will come back for full preliminary approval at a future meeting.  It seems like the development team is being especially cautious with this process, which is understandable given the scale (and how the DRB has reviewed previous projects).  But this likely means the process will be relatively slow for a while.

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