SouthEnd High-Rise Projects

[Blue_Devil]

Lets use this thread to discuss everything going up in SouthEnd larger than a Texas Donut.

1. Southern Land tower at Tyber Creek pub site  30 stories

2. Unnamed 20+ story tower next to Southern Land site

3. Just announced Stiles and Catalyst tower at Price Chicken Coop site 30 stories

4.  Greystar's 24 story Ascent Southend at the Walgreens site (+ eventual 2nd tower once Walgreens moves).

5. Cousins will have a high rise on W Tremont/Doggett residential of some height but high rise nonetheless  (Possibly 2 highrise towers 20+)

6. Portman's 22 story apartment high rise on Sycamore brewery site 

7. Stiles 110 East  23 stories (Eventual second apartment tower)  

8. CenterSouth by Fallon, 12 stories

9. Unannounced highrise behind railyard

10. Unannounced Cousins project at Slate/Brickyard/Hot Taco site (700,000+ square ft)

11. 20+ story office project next to Suffolk Punch

12. Enterprise Rental redevelopment (rumored to be 500ft +, and 2 towers)

13. Midnight Dinner/Uptown Cab redevelopment (3 towers, with one being 600ft +)

14. Lowe's tower phase 2 (originally to be a West Elm hotel, now possibly Apartments)

15. LoSo Towers at Scaleybark.  (2 towers)

16. Morehead 200 block tower (developer who built Jenga tower in Austin)

Edited November 17, 2021 by Blue_Devil

[Norm2]

What is the confirmed list of towers so far?

[KJHburg]

In terms of residential high rises you have these:

1. Southern Land tower at Trolleys End pub site  30 stories

2. Just announced Stiles and Catalyst tower at Price Chicken Coop site 30 stories

3.  Greystar's 24 story Ascent Southend at the Walgreens site

Cousins will have a high rise on W Tremont residential of some height but high rise nonetheless 

Portman's 22 story apartment high rise on Sycamore brewery site 

Not counting the office towers which deserve their own threads because of tenant news etc like Stiles 110 East  23 stories ,  CenterSouth by Fallon, and future announcements on the Enterprise rental car site which was having some soil testing done recently.  

Edited November 17, 2021 by KJHburg

[KJHburg]

1 hour ago, Blue_Devil said:

Lets use this thread to discuss everything going up in SouthEnd larger than a Texas Donut.

I had to think about this as I know of only one kind of doughnut that is very sweet but you are talking about these type

A Fresh Flavor for the Texas Doughnut | Build a Better Burb

Wrap Style Buildings | Residential Architecture | What is Wrap Construction? (ktgy.com)

when I hear doughnut I think of these

and by the way there is a high rise hotel planned right next to the KK world HQ on Hawkins across from the Line Portman's tower. 

Edited November 17, 2021 by KJHburg

[Blue_Devil]

27 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

In terms of residential high rises you have these:

1. Southern Land tower at Trolleys End pub site  30 stories

2. Just announced Stiles and Catalyst tower at Price Chicken Coop site 30 stories

3.  Greystar's 24 story Ascent Southend at the Walgreens site

Cousins will have a high rise on W Tremont residential of some height but high rise nonetheless 

Portman's 22 story apartment high rise on Sycamore brewery site 

Not counting the office towers which deserve their own threads because of tenant news etc like Stiles 110 East  23 stories ,  CenterSouth by Fallon, and future announcements on the Enterprise rental car site which was having some soil testing done recently.  

There is also a 20+ story tower proposed right next to the Southern Lands tower

[KJHburg]

Just now, Blue_Devil said:

There is also a 20+ story tower proposed right next to the Southern Lands tower

that is right I forgot that one.  and a tower proposed behind Railyard taller than 10 floors too.  

[Blue_Devil]

13 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

that is right I forgot that one.  and a tower proposed behind Railyard taller than 10 floors too.  

Edited list in the first post. I'll try and keep it updated.

[DownEast]

Pair of 20+ towers on Gas fired Products land, Doggett St. Mentioned by Prodev some pages back. 

[KJHburg]

2 hours ago, Blue_Devil said:

Lets use this thread to discuss everything going up in SouthEnd larger than a Texas Donut.

1. Southern Land tower at Tyber Creek pub site  30 stories

2. Unnamed 20+ story tower next to Southern Land site

3. Just announced Stiles and Catalyst tower at Price Chicken Coop site 30 stories

4.  Greystar's 24 story Ascent Southend at the Walgreens site (+ eventual 2nd tower once Walgreens moves).

5. Cousins will have a high rise on W Tremont residential of some height but high rise nonetheless     this is 2 tower project 

6. Portman's 22 story apartment high rise on Sycamore brewery site 

7. Stiles 110 East  23 stories (Eventual second apartment tower)  

8. CenterSouth by Fallon, 12 stories

9. Unannounced highrise behind railyard

10. Unannounced Cousins project at Slate/Brickyard/Hot Taco site (700,000+ square ft)

11. 20+ story office project next to Suffolk Punch

12. Enterprise Rental redevelopment (rumored to be 500ft +, and 2 towers)

13. Midnight Dinner/Uptown Cab redevelopment (3 towers, with one being 600ft +)

14. Lowe's tower phase 2 (originally to be a West Elm hotel, now possibly Apartments)

15. LoSo Towers at Scaleybark.  (2 towers)

16. Morehead 200 block tower (developer who built Jenga tower in Austin)

both Cousins projects include an office tower and residential tower the site on S Tryon across from the Railyard and the site on W Tremont.  That is 25 towers on my list of 60 proposed all over Charlotte.   I don't call it Charlotte Rising for nothing. 

Edited November 17, 2021 by KJHburg

[SydneyCarton]

Wow!

Long live the Queen!!!

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/development/article255867646.html

 

Edited November 17, 2021 by SydneyCarton

[SouthernSkyline]

Oh wow so the “Loso” towers are actually happening? 

Edited November 17, 2021 by SouthernSkyline

[Blue_Devil]

8 hours ago, SouthernSkyline said:

Oh wow so the “Loso” towers are actually happening? 

They are still proposed. Needs an anchor. 

[Blue_Devil]

One thing to note, about 20 of these towers are residential. About 300 units each. That doesn't include the various proposed midrise complexes. 6000+ apartment units in a fairly small section of the city is crazy. Its going to bring so many additional jobs, retail, and restaurants. 

[deleted account]

Fun to see all of this development in Southend but...I do wish it wasn't coming at the expense of First Ward and other areas of Uptown (First Ward obviously a victim of Daniel Levine more than anything).  I always thought Charlotte was smarter than Atlanta for concentrating development in Uptown.  And I get why Southend is so attractive to developers and tenants.  The North Tryon development with the Publix is one example of a stalled project because focus has shifted to SE.  There is still apparently momentum with North Tryon and Brooklyn but with the pandemic I wonder if there are enough tenants to go around?

Edited November 17, 2021 by JBS

[Urban Cowboy]

That’s my concern, too. But the free market is determining the current development areas. And the momentum is in SouthEnd. 
 

North Tryon and first ward are slow to move forward because of Levine (as you mentioned), public money and interest, and place-making projects that seem to take longer to get off the ground. North Tryon is also home to, and in close proximity to, several non-profits that provide services to our homeless community. Doesn’t bother me personally, but I have to imagine the noticeable numbers of homeless people on the north end of Tryon does stifle growth or at minimum, desirability to live and work in that specific area. 

[Urban Cowboy]

That and, connectivity to the North Tryon, North Graham, and Davidson corridors is terrible. So even though we have Camp North End, Optimist Hall, and NoDa to the north - walkability and connectivity are terrible. To exit uptown and get past 277 - you go over or under 277 depending on which city street you’re on - and I think that adds to the disjointed feeling. Because once you’re north of 277 you’re really funneled away quickly and the land is so choppy because of the rail lines and rail yard. Granted, some momentum and development is occurring just north of 277 - but I view Graham, Tryon, and Parkwood as the biggest hurdles to that feeling of connectivity/continuous urban fabric that I think inspires development.

[Blue_Devil]

1 minute ago, Urban Cowboy said:

That and, connectivity to the North Tryon, North Graham, and Davidson corridors is terrible. So even though we have Camp North End, Optimist Hall, and NoDa to the north - walkability and connectivity are terrible. To exit uptown and get past 277 - you go over or under 277 depending on which city street you’re on - and I think that adds to the disjointed feeling. Because once you’re north of 277 you’re really funneled away quickly and the land is so choppy because of the rail lines and rail yard. Granted, some momentum and development is occurring just north of 277 - but I view Graham, Tryon, and Parkwood as the biggest hurdles to that feeling of connectivity/continuous urban fabric that I think inspires development.

All things that were said of SouthEnd at one time too.

I think a Cap or at least the Rail Trail bridge will help make the development feel concentrated. Also with everything going up on Morehead, this won't feel like two separate skylines. in 10 years, SouthEnd and Uptown will feel like one concentrated urban environment.  

Edited November 17, 2021 by Blue_Devil

[Urban Cowboy]

Totally agree. SouthEnd doesn’t need the help. I’m excited for the towers and growth. I think many of us lament it hasn’t happened in areas of the city’s focus - hence my offshoot on physical barriers. I hope most of these new residential towers are not EFIS because that’s my biggest gripe with the 6 story apartments that currently blanket southend. Quality of construction and specifically their facades. As these things age out and are 20,30,40 years old - how are they going to look? Hopefully we see more glass, metal, and concrete. Less styrofoam and composite.

Edited November 17, 2021 by Urban Cowboy

[KJHburg]

North Tryon will get some help soon in terms of the new office tower for Truist and a high rise residential tower and despite the slowness Publix will open there.  That all being said you have a landowner in First Ward that does not seem willing to sell and those landowners in Southend do.    And Brooklyn redevelopment is moving at a glacier pace too but that should start happening soon with the Med school across the freeway.   All these proposed residential towers  in Southend have varying completion times allowing for market absorption of the apartments.  The ones on Morehead will open first.   But rememeber there was a spurt of new apartment towers in uptown along Stonewall a few years ago too. 

[Niner National]

1 hour ago, Urban Cowboy said:

That’s my concern, too. But the free market is determining the current development areas. And the momentum is in SouthEnd. 
 

North Tryon and first ward are slow to move forward because of Levine (as you mentioned), public money and interest, and place-making projects that seem to take longer to get off the ground. North Tryon is also home to, and in close proximity to, several non-profits that provide services to our homeless community. Doesn’t bother me personally, but I have to imagine the noticeable numbers of homeless people on the north end of Tryon does stifle growth or at minimum, desirability to live and work in that specific area. 

The homeless are why I would never choose to live along the north tryin corridor. I know it sounds callous but they are insufferable and make spending time in those areas  miserable. It would be more tolerable if there was a significant cost difference to live there, but it still has a premium price.

[Blue_Devil]

12 minutes ago, Niner National said:

The homeless are why I would never choose to live along the north tryin corridor. I know it sounds callous but they are insufferable and make spending time in those areas  miserable. It would be more tolerable if there was a significant cost difference to live there, but it still has a premium price.

Growth can be self fulfilling as well. If North Tryon had the Levine land developed, it might have solved some of the homeless issues in the immediate area. SouthEnd had homeless and drug issues (still does) but as the area has grown, it has pushed a lot of that out. I suspect we will hear 20 more towers in SouthEnd over the next year +. Still so much usable and developable land. 

[DMann]

If you try to run from the homeless or less fortunate of our brethren you will need to buy a place in a gated community.  I have lived downtown since 1999 and have experienced homeless on the streets.  It is not as huge problem as many think.  Many on the streets have mental issues and that is sad that they cannot get, or in some cases accept, the help they need.  

[videtur quam contuor]

Before the Fire Station #2 was there, before Fuel Pizza at the corner of South and East, before the internet, the blocks surrounding that intersection were of utmost sketchiness. There were empty lots filled with weeds and trash, aggressive homeless and street people and streetwalkers. Rough sleepers bathing at outdoor taps behind businesses, disgusting convenience stores with shelves of "food" years out of date* that satisfied the requirement so they could sell screwtop wines, porn shop, street crime and whatever else one may concoct from that description. Slowly the change in the overall environment pushed those uses to the periphery and then into oblivion they deserved. This is not so long ago.

*Laws required stores that sold alcohol to maintain a percentage of inventory of food and other goods greater than that of alcohol. They need not SELL those goods, merely stock them. So several years out of date cans of vienna sausage and boxes of saltines and so on justified an alcohol and tobacco outlet with girlie mags as a sideline.

Second thought: Has the internet eliminated streetwalkers? Only in the most drug ridden areas would I assume to find such transactions, while in the 70's and later it was a feature occasionally found in Dilworth and other close ring neighborhoods.

Edit: I am NOT looking for such personal business.

Edited November 17, 2021 by tarhoosier

[KJHburg]

CLT Development

 

@CLTdevelopment

By my count there are 6300+ multifamily units in various stages of development in South End. 

[kermit]

5 minutes ago, tarhoosier said:

Second thought: Has the internet eliminated streetwalkers? Only in the most drug ridden areas would I assume to find such transactions, while in the 70's and later it was a feature occasionally found in Dilworth and other close ring neighborhoods

Can’t speak to that directly, but one of the first business types killed off by the internet was adult bookstores and theaters. The elimination of those gutted traditional red light districts which made cities considerably more “family friendly”. I would imagine that the streetwalkers got gentrified out of their normal haunts in this process.