SouthEnd High-Rise Projects

[metropolitan]

Wow, just wow. The transformation of this small subsection of south end with these two towers and the tall Portman apartment building 1 block away  is just going to be amazing. That undeveloped corner of the block at Hawkins and Tremont between these two developments, between the old Zepplin site and Krispy Kreme going to stick out like a sore thumb.

[queensguy06]

2 hours ago, Nathan2 said:

This thinking always blows my mind. EVs don't change the fact that their will still be congested streets that make the pedestrian landscape inhospitable and thus force people into cars (EV's). The solution to our ongoing equitable and environmental issues still is to move away from cars, EV's don't change that thinking as cars do more damage than just polluting our air. Traditional transit technology has been around for well over a hundred years and will continue to be the best and most environmental positive choice in the world no matter what niche technology that emerges. It's the reason why almost every other major and minor city in the world outside of north America is leagues ahead of us. We don't need to wait for future technology when the technology we need to invest in is already here and we as a society continue to ignore it for the dreams of a few tech billionaires. 

Yes Charlotte is going through a boom of companies relocating here but as congestion increases and cost of living rises that's going to slow. Many major companies value transit choices for their employees and that's why they will continue to look over Charlotte and choose cities like NYC, DC, etc...

We are talking about two completely different things here; my viewpoint is that of the developer building for current and anticipated needs of their clients/customers. Ain't no developer going to build a 10 mile light rail line so they can build less parking spaces. I do not disagree with your sentiment about mass transit - but that falls solely on government funding and planning. If Charlotte had a mass transit system on par with those you mentioned, there is no doubt that developers would build adapting to that system to accommodate their client needs. But that is not the system we have, so developers adapt accordingly.

Again, I am not disagreeing with anyone here about the issues relating to an auto-centric/car dependent urban core. But the wheels set in motion to get us to this point started decades ago. Charlotte is still over a decade away from seeing a second light rail line. And two light rail lines isn't going to change the need for the automobile outside of small TOD nodes along the lines. This sentiment that developers should just build less parking spaces to spur a more walkable/pedestrian friendly neighborhood is a red herring.

At this juncture, what Charlotte really needs to reverse the current trends is something on par with Denver's FasTracks Program. 

"FasTracks is RTD's voter-approved transit expansion program - the largest in the nation - that is transforming transportation through the Denver metro region. Since 2004, we've built 25.1 miles of light rail track and 53 miles of commuter rail track, launched the Flatiron Flyer bus rapid transit service, and opened an intermodal hub at Union Station right in downtown Denver."

 

[Hushpuppy321]

16 hours ago, Blue_Devil said:

Hard to see here, but this is the site right next to pins mechanical and common market in SouthEnd. It was just warehouses a few weeks ago, now it’s cleared and they seem to be doing foundation work. This is going to be the site of two 250+ foot towers.


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Huh, and without barely a word about this two (2) high-rise project?  I love it - it’s gotta be that TOD by-right stuff that’s allowed this to happen so discreetly…

[tozmervo]

On 12/9/2021 at 7:59 AM, Blue_Devil said:

Hard to see here, but this is the site right next to pins mechanical and common market in SouthEnd. It was just warehouses a few weeks ago, now it’s cleared and they seem to be doing foundation work. This is going to be the site of two 250+ foot towers.


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This made me laugh because it triggered an epiphany. UP is a paparazzi site for buildings 

[KJHburg]

Various sites for new Southend high rises over 10 stories or existing ones.

For some reason when I post the photos they get out of order when they appear online  but this include 15 story tower behind Railyard, the 23 story Stiles tower,  the Prices Chicken apartment tower site and future high rise next to Lowes tower.  (including some existing high rises)

One more the Walgreen site the Greystar apartment tower on South and East and West Blvds. 

 

[Norm2]

It is hard to keep track of when all of these new high rises in South End are supposed to begin construction.

[KJHburg]

14 minutes ago, norm21499 said:

It is hard to keep track of when all of these new high rises in South End are supposed to begin construction.

it is a good problem to have but cranes will be rising many places in next few months.  

[ScottCLT]

On 11/16/2021 at 9:56 PM, DownEast said:

Pair of 20+ towers on Gas fired Products land, Doggett St. Mentioned by Prodev some pages back. 

Is there any further news on what will be built on the Gas-Fired Products site? I work at 1927 S. Tryon, right across the street and have seen the demolition of the GFP building...just wondering what is coming.

[videtur quam contuor]

Welcome to the site again. Long time, no read.

[TheRealClayton]

29 minutes ago, ScottCLT said:

Is there any further news on what will be built on the Gas-Fired Products site? I work at 1927 S. Tryon, right across the street and have seen the demolition of the GFP building...just wondering what is coming.

I believe they are planning on announcing around February/March when its closer to breaking ground. Per public filing it's a joint partnership between Cousins and AvalonBay, with both Office and Residential. The stats mentioned previously are pretty accurate buildings around 21=25 floors total, including 7 floors of parking. And as @KJHburglikes to mention "Cousins doesn't build spec."

Edited December 13, 2021 by TheRealClayton

[Blue_Devil]

3 hours ago, TheRealClayton said:

I believe they are planning on announcing around February/March when its closer to breaking ground. Per public filing it's a joint partnership between Cousins and AvalonBay, with both Office and Residential. The stats mentioned previously are pretty accurate buildings around 21=25 floors total, including 7 floors of parking. And as @KJHburglikes to mention "Cousins doesn't build spec."

They are already doing site work. Tore down everything. 

[TheRealClayton]

3 hours ago, Blue_Devil said:

They are already doing site work. Tore down everything. 

I am well aware, passing along the word from above. 

[jjwilli]

Permits submitted today for the land next to Suffolk Punch. Looks to include 64k of retail space according to the permit in the 19 story building. Looks like it grew a few floors from the announcement over the summer: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/development/article252151358.html 

#SouthEndRising

Project Description:

2905 Griffith The proposed project is a 1.47± acres mixed use development located on Griffith Street. The site fronts the CATS LYNX Blue Line and the Charlotte Rail Trail. It will consist of a 19-story tower that includes 374,974 GSF of office and retail space, as well as 797 spaces of structured parking. Additionally, the project will include rail trail improvements and a paseo connecting Griffith St to the Rail Trail and New Bern Station.

[metropolitan]

Is there a rendering available? Apparently behind a pay wall.

[Norm2]

3 minutes ago, metropolitan said:

Is there a rendering available? Apparently behind a pay wall.

A rendering hasn't been provided yet.

[buildleft]

How many thousands of parking spaces are we going to build in South End before we get more serious about TOD parking maximums (especially <1000 ft from the Blue Line)? All of this (free) structured parking seems incredibly short sighted. Abysmal value capture of existing transportation infrastructure is a serious problem 

[RANYC]

1 hour ago, jjwilli said:

Permits submitted today for the land next to Suffolk Punch. Looks to include 64k of retail space according to the permit in the 19 story building. Looks like it grew a few floors from the announcement over the summer: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/development/article252151358.html 

#SouthEndRising

Project Description:

2905 Griffith The proposed project is a 1.47± acres mixed use development located on Griffith Street. The site fronts the CATS LYNX Blue Line and the Charlotte Rail Trail. It will consist of a 19-story tower that includes 374,974 GSF of office and retail space, as well as 797 spaces of structured parking. Additionally, the project will include rail trail improvements and a paseo connecting Griffith St to the Rail Trail and New Bern Station.

had to look up "paseo."  Initially thought it was a typo.

path or walkway for strolling.

[kermit]

20 minutes ago, buildleft said:

How many thousands of parking spaces are we going to build in South End before we get more serious about TOD parking maximums (especially <1000 ft from the Blue Line)? All of this (free) structured parking seems incredibly short sighted. Abysmal value capture of existing transportation infrastructure is a serious problem 

Two words can illustrate the shortsightedness of these decisions: "Traffic Generation!"

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

5 minutes ago, kermit said:

Two words can illustrate the shortsightedness of these decisions: "Traffic Generation!"

No the people making those decisions won't be in the workforce in 10-20 years...

[tozmervo]

Charlotte already changed the TOD zoning ordinance in 2019 to eliminate "parking minimums" and implement "parking maximums." Unless I'm way off on the site being discussed, this is TOD-UC (Urban Center), which has the most stringent parking maximum currently in the code. There's no way to know what their calculations actually are without seeing the permit documents, but based on the description it seems like they may be a little under 2 parking spaces for every 1000 square feet of office space. 

797 spaces right at the door of New Bern Station is crazy, I don't disagree, but the silver lining is that is a MAJOR improvement over what it could have been. 375,000 square feet is a gargantuan office building that could easily accommodate well north of 1250 people. 

[RANYC]

57 minutes ago, buildleft said:

How many thousands of parking spaces are we going to build in South End before we get more serious about TOD parking maximums (especially <1000 ft from the Blue Line)? All of this (free) structured parking seems incredibly short sighted. Abysmal value capture of existing transportation infrastructure is a serious problem 

Lowe's Global Technology Center is also right at a light Rail stop, roughly the same sized building or perhaps even a bit smaller than this planned building, and it included a 940-space garage.  So that's a 20% drop in parking requirements in the span of a couple years, so I see this as progress - perhaps even substantial progress.  Take courage!

My hope is that in the future, with single-rider car usage on the decline, buildings like this will have capacity to support nearby office buildings which will eventually be built without garages, but may need some spaces for their shrinking share of car-reliant occupants by way of shared-parking arrangements.

Also, for weekends, perhaps the city can work something out with these buildings to use their garage spaces for large Uptown events.  That way, suburbanites can drive to these garages adjacent to light rail stations, and then use the light-rail from South End into Uptown to visit massive, regionally-oriented assembly spaces like Pro Sports venues, or like an Aquarium at some point.

Edited December 15, 2021 by RANYC

[buildleft]

3/1000 sf is significant and would allow for >1100 spaces. Parking maximums are typically used to actively discourage+decrease parking that would otherwise be built. Our parking maximums are high enough to where they don't make any difference whatsoever, and that needs to change

[davidclt]

3 hours ago, RANYC said:

included a 940-space garage

The City of Charlotte should allow for no more surface parking lots and require all parking to be buried beneath buildings. Yes, I know it would increase the costs and in Charlotte we're hyper focused on saving developers money but . . . it's fascinating (anathema) to me that in the shadow of East/West light rail station, they built (were ALLOWED to build) 940 spaces.

[RANYC]

1 hour ago, davidclt said:

The City of Charlotte should allow for no more surface parking lots and require all parking to be buried beneath buildings. Yes, I know it would increase the costs and in Charlotte we're hyper focused on saving developers money but . . . it's fascinating (anathema) to me that in the shadow of East/West light rail station, they built (were ALLOWED to build) 940 spaces.

It's not just a Charlotte thing...do places like Austin, Dallas, and a host of other places require parking to be buried?

I know in 2019, Austin proposed legislation to eliminate parking minimums, but I'm not even clear on whether they've instituted maximums at all.

[KJHburg]

10 hours ago, RANYC said:

It's not just a Charlotte thing...do places like Austin, Dallas, and a host of other places require parking to be buried?

I know in 2019, Austin proposed legislation to eliminate parking minimums, but I'm not even clear on whether they've instituted maximums at all.

No parking is not required to be buried in any major Texas city I can tell you that.  Or Atlanta, Or Nashville or any other city I can think of in the southeast.